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Friday , September 4 , 2009
Red October looms for Abhisit and the US dollar
Posted by Thanong , Reader : 1040 , 07:56:16  
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Red October looms for Abhisit and the US dollar

Published on September 4, 2009


EVERY MONTH is the same, except October, Mark Twain warned us.

You may need to keep an eye on the US financial system next month. At the same time, you should closely follow signals from Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, who will come under pressure to dissolve Parliament.

Next month, US financial institutions will have to repay their debts owed largely to foreign creditors. The amount is at least US$5 trillion (Bt170.5 trillion). Will the US institutions, which have trillions more in debt obligations, be able to roll over their debts? I am not sure about this. Then the US banks may default. But the US banks will not go down easily. They will turn to the Federal Reserve's printing press. But the Fed has already pumped more than $2 trillion into the US financial system to keep it alive, otherwise it would have collapsed in October last year. The Fed also plans to spend another $1.7 trillion to purchase US government bonds and corporate paper to nurture the liquidity in the financial system.

The question is whether the Fed can pump $5 trillion or more into the US financial institutions. Will the financial markets tolerate the Fed's printing of $5 trillion or more? The fresh liquidity going into the US banks will disappear in a hurry because the creditors are knocking at the door.

Can he pull off the economy? No, we can't.

In 1997, Thailand collapsed because foreign creditors suddenly withdrew their dollar credit from Thai banks. Thailand went under and had to seek an IMF bailout because capital was flowing out of its financial system en masse. Then investors and creditors were concerned about the deteriorating asset quality of Thai banks and more importantly they did not have confidence in the Thai exchange-rate system. After the July 1997 currency devaluation, Thailand continued to suffer from bleeding in the ensuing years. But it was saved by the export surplus and, to a lesser extent, the IMF credit line to shore up the Bank of Thailand's foreign-exchange reserves.

Now the US is facing exactly the same predicament. If the foreign creditors want their money back - and they will want it back because they no longer have confidence in the US dollar - the US banks will not have the money to make the repayment. Most US bank loans are stuck in real estate and other consumer loans, which have already become rotten. If the Fed hands out trillions of dollars to the US banks to repay the debt, it will come under a sustained political attack. The people on Main Street are suffering while the bankers' need for bailouts never seems to end. On the other hand, if the Fed were to print more dollars, it would destroy the value of the dollar, as Warren Buffet has warned.


In effect, the US financial system is locked in a box, with no way out. Without a bailout, it will crack. With a bailout, the value of the US dollar will be destroyed.

US won't be able to export its way out of the crisis because it is a debt-driven economy. It won't be able to seek an IMF bailout because the IMF does not have the money.

This is basic financial economics. Thailand has, I hope, learnt the lesson. But the damage in the US financial system will be several hundred times larger than what the Thai financial system experienced in 1997-1998. It is no wonder that Russian Professor Igor Panarin has shocked many by predicting that the US will start a process of disintegration by November this year. He knows what he is talking about.

"Today I received another confirmation that the collapse of the dollar and the US is inevitable. Japan's Democratic Party won the election, and I'd like to remind you that its leader [Yukio Hatoyama] has the snubbing of the dollar among his economic plans. In plainer words, he plans to transfer Japan's monetary reserves from US dollars into another currency. The move will accelerate the dollar's exchange slump as early as this November. Disintegration will follow shortly," Panarin said on Tuesday. He added that next year China would also begin to massively dump the dollar and that Russia would begin to sell oil and gas for roubles. (See http://www.infowars.com/russian-professor-collapse-of-america-could-begin-in-two-months/)


Returning to Thailand, since Abhisit is facing pressure from his coalition partners and all the other political problems, he might need to dissolve Parliament by October. Between now and then you will have to keep your eye on September 19, when the red-shirts plan to stage yet another rally to mark the third anniversary of the coup that toppled the Thaksin government. Abhisit will be in the US during that time at the UN and G-20 meetings, and will give a speech at Columbia University. It sounds as if the red shirts are planning revenge.


My warning to Abhisit: Sir, you must avoid the jinx by not staying at the Grand Hyatt Hotel in New York, where Thaksin stayed and enjoyed his role as prime minister before quickly discovering that he was an ex-prime minister after the coup back home was staged.


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comment 29
Ian date : 07/09/2009 time : 21.29
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Just how secure is a "security"? After recent events in Iceland can government bonds and securities ever be truly seen as secure? Is it conceivable that a country could go into liquidation?
comment 28
expresso date : 07/09/2009 time : 12.15
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Dalmasian, I’m not quite sure why you asked the questions but I will answer what I know below.

1. The member banks own and control the 12 Federal Reserve banks. All federally chartered commercial banks are required to be members of the Federal Reserve System, but it’s optional for the State banks. I think about half of all commercial banks are members.

2. The Treasury Department, through its subsidiaries, prints the greenbacks.

3. The Treasury Department issues debts on behalf of the US Government in the form of bonds, notes, and bills – collectively called government securities. However, the decisions to buy or sell securities are made by the Federal Open Market Committee FOMC) based on the monetary policy set by the Board of Governors (BOG). The FOMC and the BOG are part of the Federal Reserve System on the national level. Together with the 12 district Federal Reserve banks, they arecalled the Fed.

p.s.: State, county, and city governments also issue bonds. These bonds could be at risk when such governments go bankrupt. Presently some state and city governments in the USA are conserving their budgets and walking on thin line.
comment 27
Dalmasian date : 06/09/2009 time : 16.32
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Can anyone here tell me WHO actually "owns" the Federal Reserve of the United States of America? WHO "prints" the "greenbacks" and WHO issues US Government debts?

-- Dalmasian
comment 26
FelixQui date : 06/09/2009 time : 15.24
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Most interesting is that in all the analysis in Thanong's and Vetopower's sources of what went wrong with the US is NOT that capitalism is to blame but the exact opposite: that teh faults are all due to departure's from the US's tradition of capitalism over socialism, the from respect for human rights and liberties over subjugation to state control.
With this analysis I tend to agree, as I believe expresso also does. The solution is not sufficiency fantasies, which could only ever be enforced by a Pol Pot like program (and I mean that literally), but by a return to healthy capitalist and free market principles based on the moral idea that people are responsible for the outcomes of their decisions; that it is not, for example, the state's job to bail out incompetence or dishonesty, that it is morally wrong for the state to take some people's property and give it to others, that it is unjust and unjustifiable for the state to act against personal choices that do not directly harm others, and that the primary, the ONLY justifiable purpose of a state is to protect the rights of its citizens.
That is largely what the US government did during its best days before the rot set in with social engineering, socialist wealth redistribution, socialist social policy, and teh like.
Thailand, of course, has always been heavily into state control of Thai citizens, which is perhaps why it is both less developed than we would expect it to be given it's prima facie advantages, and also why Thailand is morally worse than the US, as for example is reflected by the fact that Thailand is twice (two times) as violent as the US.

The solution is capitalism and a morality based on respect for human rights which allows citizens to choose how they will live their lives whilst also holding them fully responsible for the outcomes.
comment 25
vetopower date : 06/09/2009 time : 14.11
http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssFinancialServicesAndRealEstateNews/idUSSP47327420090831?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=11604


Thanong gets it right again, except sugar coating the truth. America/dollar collapse is eminent. No one buying the debt. Bush/Clinton crime syndicate created trillions in fiat currency via derivatives/options on future debt. America unable to pay. China dumping billions of dollars every month. (Above link)Now Reuters reports China not obligated to honor derivative contracts. Like a domino effect, other countries due to jump on board.US was given a year extension last Sept.. All they did was elect Obama and create 24trillion more US $$ in hopes of devaluing the debt. No one is buying it. October/Nov may look like a mop-up operation with foreign troops on US soil, with a bioengineered flu epidemic as a smoke screen to hide the dollar downfall ugly truth. Survivors herded into FEMA Camps as property is confiscated. Basically the darks souls running the world/planet have screwed up so majorly we are due for a changing of the guard. Hopefully a new economic solution will be born from this and suppressed technology will bring humanity forward. Oil politics is an outdated 100yr old technology/ along with debt denominated fiat currency... and has to change.
This link describes how America could look like very soon....with maps... http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/business/economy/news.php?q=1252082799
Lots of luck everyone. America closing it's borders. Our friends are unable to emigrate their children now, us included. Rumors of a vaccine given in Bangkok killed 2 people, so many are afraid to try to come. We'll see.

Of coarse, Thanong forgot to mention Thaksin can fix everything, from flu virus to the economy to the US dollar collapse. If you believe his red shirts mentality that is. Thaksin preys on dumbed down poor Issan people like a pedophile preys on children. Child abuse 'urcs' me to no end.
comment 24
bzzzzzBee date : 06/09/2009 time : 00.23
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C22 expresso ... point well taken.
comment 23
FelixQui date : 06/09/2009 time : 00.17
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expresso, re c.22,
I think we are again largely in agreement.
comment 22
expresso date : 05/09/2009 time : 23.43
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I don’t think the US financial market and the US government are just going to collapse like this. After all, today’s global economy is still interconnected with and interdependent of each others. I’m sure the government agencies and the various institutions are going to work out some measures with the big creditors to avoid a collapse.

In my mind, the global balance of power has been changing. As we move forward, countries which could best coordinate their monetary and fiscal policies in conjunction with the MORAL of their citizens will become the successful ones.

Why do I think moral of the citizens important?

Today in many societies, individuals are increasing putting their own self-interest above the common interest of democracy and free markets. It is my belief that such a system will collapse as time passes. Look at the politicians who make fiscal policy. Today these politicians make fiscal policy to please more the electorates than strive to work for the state as a whole. The monetary policy making body, the Fed, succumbs to the wish of the people - providing easy money with only growth in their head while neglecting stability in the process.

This present financial fiasco in the US is no doubt the fault of the 12 Federal Reserve banks on the district level and up the national level that includs the Board of Governor and the Federal Open Market Committee. The Fed is supposed to supervise the member banks. While it’s true that state banks need not to be members, but federal chartered banks are required to be. Those that have failed are the federally chartered ones. So, the finger must be on the Fed. The Congress is also at fault even though the Fed is independent but they do report to the Congress.

Each body of the two policy (fiscal and monetary) makers is succumbing to the wishes of the people more and more. Their coordinated effort also works along this line. Thus the moral of the people is very important. Sadly, I see moral of many countries are deteriorating

As an aside, the unique Federal Reserve System in the US is supposedly designed to avoid a few financiers to control the national economy. But in reality the President of the US has a great influence. The President appoints the 7 governors in the Board of Governors. These 7 governors together with the 4 district Federal Reserve banks’ presidents plus the Federal Reserve Bank of NY make up the Federal Open Market Committee. For each of the 12 district Federal Reserved banks, member banks elect 6 out of the 9 directors while the rest are appointed by The Board of Governors. The BOG and the FOMC make monetary policies on the national level.
comment 21
Thanong date : 05/09/2009 time : 23.23
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Ian.:
I do not gloat at anybody's struggle. I have never said Thailand is immune from the looming crisis. My writings are mostly pessimistic, both for Thai politics and global economy, because we have gone overboard with all the excesses. I am pointing out that excesses are destroying this current world system.
Only sufficiency can bring us back to the point of equilibrium. I can't help it that you will never understand.
comment 20
Ian date : 05/09/2009 time : 21.49
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Felix, 16. "What I can't understand is why his writing has lately taken such a decline."

I think the answer is simple, most Thais are firmly rooted in a culture based on magic and mysticism, hence they often use an emotional rather than a logical approach in both their thinking and debating.
I have no great love for the American way, but I do not gloat when I see them struggling, I know they belong to a global fimily and their problems affect us as much as it affects them.
Thanong thinks Thailand is immune, we shall see.
comment 19
Thanong date : 05/09/2009 time : 21.34
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Lonewolf: It is not US public debt. It is US financial system's debt and financial positions via derivatives. we don't know the exact figure. It is nominally more than US$1,000 trillion. If the banks fail, how can these derivatives positions be sorted out?
comment 18
lonewolf date : 05/09/2009 time : 20.37

Thanong it is statistically impossible for the US to be hundreds of trillions in debt. The entire global GDP for 2007 (a good year economically) was $65 trillion.
Even factoring 'murky' accounting practices the current US debt is $12 trillion. But debt held by the public (including banks, China, Saudi Arabia, etc.) is $7.5 trillion ..which in consideration of US GDP is still less than Japan and similar to several European nations.
comment 17
Hermano_Lobo date : 05/09/2009 time : 19.07
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They used to tell me I was building a dream, and so I followed the mob,
When there was earth to plow, or guns to bear, I was always there right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream, with peace and glory ahead,
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run, made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad; now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun, brick, and rivet, and lime;
Once I built a tower, now it's done. Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Why don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell,
Full of that Yankee Doodly Dum,
Half a million boots went slogging through Hell,
And I was the kid with the drum!

Say, don't you remember, they called me Al; it was Al all the time.
Say, don't you remember, I'm your pal? Buddy, can you spare a dime?

"Brother, Can You Spare a Dime," lyrics by Yip Harburg, music by Jay Gorney (1931)
-Songs of the Great Depression-
comment 16
FelixQui date : 05/09/2009 time : 12.19
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Thanong, re c.15,
You wrote: "Nobody knows. But I guess, it must be in several hundred trillions. "
And that's all it is: an unsubstantiated GUESS. All of your predictions here are based on guesses, most decidedly far fetched, and none well supported.

Again, "I believe that all the derivatives and murky accounting practices are hiding the truth away from the real problem."
Well, if that is so, again, it is necessarily UNKNOWN what the truth is: it might be much worse than what is believed, it might be exactly what is now believed or it might be much better. If something is hidden, that really does mean it is not known.

I am quite prepared to believe that no one really knows how bad the current mess is. Certainly, the seriousness was initially underestimated: hindsight is very good at telling us that. Unfortunately, all of Thanong's doomsaying is based on guesses whose only support in this case is a Russian of dubious qualifications and integrity.

I think that "garbage" is not too strong a word to describe this latest piece by Thanong. I confess, I am very disappointed. I think that Thanong has and can do much better. What I can't understand is why his writing has lately taken such a decline.
There appears to be a correlation with his increasingly fervent devotion to sufficiency economics, and therein may lie the answer.
comment 15
Thanong date : 05/09/2009 time : 10.49
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Lonewolf: What is US debt, particularly debt in the financial system? Nobody knows. But I guess, it must be in several hundred trillions. If that is the case, it is beyond any repair.
In 1997, we understood that Thailand's foreign debt was US$100 billion. After a year or so, the officials found out that the debt in fact was US$120 billion due to the murky accounting practices.

I believe that all the derivatives and murky accounting practices are hiding the truth away from the real problem.
comment 14
lonewolf date : 05/09/2009 time : 09.53

Thanong, I wasn’t sure that I had anything valuable to contribute to your latest prognostications of doom for the U.S. economy. By this point our positions are fairly well known.

But perhaps I could try my hand at predicting some future events with greater accuracy than an unknown Russian professor. At least I am an unknown American university administrator.

1.I am not trying to show any favor or disfavor with respect to the present administration in Thailand. In most respects I am quite ambivalent about Thai politics as they do not affect my daily life. My comments will be based upon the objective merits of past events. For example, the present administration came into being in part because of the previous involvement of the Thai military nearly three years ago . This of course was not the first time that the Thai military had been involved when there was some public sentiment that the country was being threatened from within or from without. The recent border issues with Cambodia is an example of a response of using military force when a threat from outside is feared. The Thai military will soon leave the comfort of their military barracks to again distract the populace because the Thai ‘capitalist’ elite believe that their economic well being is being threatened.

2.If the new Japanese government elects to ‘snub the U.S. dollar’ and look toward another currency for its reserves, many capitalists on the U.S. side will welcome this ‘temporary move’. (As will I.) For a decade and a half many commercial interests in the U.S. have tried to establish greater trade balances between the two countries and lobbied for either the removal of Japanese tariffs on U.S. products or to raise U.S. tariffs on Japanese products. If Japan opens the door for an economic showdown the U.S. will retaliate with such high tariffs that the cost of one Toyota will equal the cost of 2 new GM Volts (a nice looking car). In addition the U.S. will threaten to remove the remaining U.S. military bases on Japan and Okinawa (which are superfluous anyway with bases in Korea, Guam, etc.). Thus removing regular income from the U.S. and forcing Japan to finally pay for its own defense. (Japan is not afraid of North Korea they are afraid of the growing naval power of China.) When Japanese ports are filled with Toyotas and Hondas with no where to go but up to Mt. Fuji…they will quickly return to the dollar standard. But the tariffs will remain in some shape and form creating a more balanced trade policy. Improving the U.S. economy at the expense of the Japanese economy.

3.Your blog today states that the U.S. will crumble under the weight of its massive debt (a debt that is large but not nearly as large in percentage terms of GNP as it was in the post war years of WWII—it did not take long for the consumer economy of the 1950s to pay off that debt). I predict that the capitalist interests in the U.S.—some of the richest people in the world. Will not sit by and watch their dollars sink beyond recovery. These are tenacious people with an appetite for power and they will not allow or tolerate a loss of personal wealth. Never underestimate what they are capable of doing to keep the U.S. dollar the dominant currency in the world.
comment 13
stalingrad date : 04/09/2009 time : 22.56
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K. Thanong: on the coup, true this is an opportunity for those who fear Apisit will get stronger to get rid of him when he's in New York. A coup when he's away is easier than if he's here, where he can mobilize support which could trash the coup makers, whose justification for a coup is pretty weak anyway.

My guess is the coup plotters wouldn't dare because it's too risky. They don't have any moral grounds for a coup compare to 2006. If they fail, they are as good as dead. Even if they succeed, they wouldn't know how to rule, because no one in his right mind would risk his neck out to be their braintrust. Better for them to sit tight and use parliamentary means to remove Apisit.

If I were Apisit I would lure them to stage a coup so they can reveal themselves, and then squash them once and for all. But this would depend on how strong his backing is, and depend on how much of a military strategist he is.
comment 12
BangkokRay date : 04/09/2009 time : 21.57

Thanong,
And......you are incorrect on both. You are from a different universe.
Remember, you heard it first from an uneducated American.
comment 11
FelixQui date : 04/09/2009 time : 19.52
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In fact, given it's ethnic mix and that there are already regional uprisings there, it seems to me far more likely that China will split apart. And if it's export led economy crashes, that won't help it's stability. China will continue to support the US because it can't afford not to.

Meanwhile, Panarin's Russia is, of course, a model of stability and well managed financial growth.
comment 10
FelixQui date : 04/09/2009 time : 19.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Thanong wrote: "It is no wonder that Russian Professor Igor Panarin has shocked many by predicting that the US will start a process of disintegration by November this year. He knows what he is talking about."
It depends what you mean by "shock" - I will certainly be shocked if the US civil war that Thanong and his latest doomsayer are expecting comes to pass. More likely it is as likely as Thanong's other doomsday predictions and sufficiency vision of a Pol Pot style rural utopia for THailand.
And who is Russian Professor Igor Panarin? An expert in psychologicial warfare with a strong KGB background. We can't help but feel that he just might be a little bit less than perfectly impartial, not to mention honest, in his predictions, and that they are equally well founded. From some of Thanong's past sources, I think he drawls the internet until he finds someone who agrees with him and then assumes that that must be right because the writer agrees with him. Reminds me of the common christian proof that the bible is the inerrant word of god because god said so, and we know he said it because it's in the bible.

But let's wait and see if the US breaks apart in a civil war and the US$ collapses. I'm betting that Thanong's doomsdaying is a spot on as usual.

The US is about to disintegrate, and Thailand is about to become a sufficiency utopia. I couldn't have made two more equally likely scenarios.
comment 9
Thanong date : 04/09/2009 time : 18.17
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Expresso: Congratulations! Gold price should rise even more.
comment 8
Thanong date : 04/09/2009 time : 18.17
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wch: You still believe in the old system. I think we have to go back to basic.
comment 7
Thanong date : 04/09/2009 time : 18.14
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Massein: I write both Thai crisis and US crisis. I give them equal space in my columns.
comment 6
wch date : 04/09/2009 time : 16.27

Thanong,

The downfall of capitalism would not automatically justify the new economy - the sufficiency economy, or, would not enable Thai people to figure out the formula of the economy (In fact there is graphically illustrated). Although AV government introduced the prototype but people who execute is now dealing in manner of capitalism.

Some of Japanese may accord with you. In fact the general life style of general Japaneses looks like sufficiency economy practiser but they save earning in captialist system. Now they demand politicians to manage the capitalistic system better, never insist on, sort of, communistic system.
(Japan has also the communist party).

No insane Japanese politician or civilian showed hostility to US and turn back to others. Hatoyama showed some anti-America sentiment during election campaign but he quickly extinguished possible consequence negative in the realtionship with US by direct dialog with Obama.

Some of Japanese may thank you for your inspiration.
comment 5
expresso date : 04/09/2009 time : 16.00
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Thanong, because of the bust and gloom you detail in your blogs, I have already made a few bucks in gold future.
comment 4
massein date : 04/09/2009 time : 15.25
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As usually you never miss a chance to promote with glee the disscengration of the USA. I would just like to understand your motovation. Its what you don't say that speaks the loudest
comment 3
wch date : 04/09/2009 time : 12.09

IMF chief recently said "USD will play its role continually".

It is interesting to check what will be discussed in imminent G20 meeting.
comment 2
Thanong date : 04/09/2009 time : 10.49
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Anthonyford:
Japan's role will be critical. Now it has US$1 trillion in reserves and public debt of 175% of GDP. It has a choice of staying with US or abandoning the US. If it stays with US by holding on to the US dollar reserves, in the end it will lose everything. If Japan decides to save itself by converting the US$1 trillion reserves to pay off for the debt and holds on the course of self sufficiency instead of export-led growth, it will survive. The old capitalist course will not work because Japan will need at least 2% growth every year to sustain the public spendings and other costs. But over the past 15 years, average growth is 1% or less. Going forward it is even impossible to achieve 2% growth. Capitalism has arrived at its peak of overproduction and overconsumption. The only way forward is downward adjustment to arrive at the real fundamental.

So far Japan produces, US consumes. US pays Japan with ink and paper. Japan hoards the ink and paper. Now the ink and paper is becoming worthless.

If Japan were to dump the US, that will accelerate the US collapse.
comment 1
anthonyford date : 04/09/2009 time : 08.56
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The Truth is Freedom

No doubt it will be an interesting month. The major difference between Thailand and the US during their respective crises is that Foreigners in Thailand with the cash in the country that fled were not involved heavily in the real-estate. In the US, a large portion of the property is being held by various nationals that come from nations that are rich and stable. In terms of cash conversion, Real-estate as an asset is sluggish, it takes many months to transfer the asset. Having foreigners heavily involved in the real-estate market can reduce the risk of shock capital flows. In the US much of the foreign capital is in US property; also much of the foreign capital is secured by US property. This fact alone will save them from the catastrophic collapse you are predicting.
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