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Thursday , June 11 , 2009
Bus leasing deal will never see the day light.
Posted by Thanong , Reader : 3036 , 12:54:17  
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June 11, 2009
On June 15, 2009, the Abhisit government will introduce three important bills in Parliament for a full debate and subsequent passage. They are all about big money. It will be interesting to watch how the Bhumjai Thai Party, one of the coalition partners, will behave during the voting for these bills.
 
The first bill is a Bt400 billion loan package introduced as an executive decree. The Opposition Pheu Thai Party had protested this bill was not an emergency, forcing the government to seek a ruling from the the Constitution Court. Last week the Constitution Court ruled that this package was not unconstitutional, giving the Abhisit government a sigh of relief. The government coffers are running dry. Its borrowing requirements are hamstrung by legal complications. It desperately needs this bill to be passed so that it can keep the government machinery running and also commit on other expenditures. The second bill involves a Bt400 billion loan package for a longer-term spending commitments. Unlike the first bill, this one is introduced as an act. And the last bill is the 2010 budget.
 
It will be a testing time for Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva. He will need all the artful political maneouvres to get the job done. Sathit Wongnongtoei, the minister attached to the Office of the Prime Minister, has said that all the Democrat MPs must line up at Parliament to make sure about the passage of the three bills. He also signalled that the coalition partners should also display the same commitment to pass the bills, otherwise the Thai public and the economy would stand to lose the benefits from government spending.
 
We aren't sure how the Bhumjai Thai will act during the voting, particularly the executive decree of the Bt400-billion loan package. It has been betrayed by the Democrats last Wednesday at the Cabinet meeting. Abhisit, once again, sought to delay the approval of the Bt64 billion leasing package for 4,000 NGV buses for the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority, which is under the oversight of Sophon Sarum, the transport minister. Sophon is one of the key members of the Bhumjai Thai, controlled by Newin Chidchob. There had been a tacit agreement between Newin, Suthep Thuagsuban, the deputy prime minister, and Abhisit that the bus leasing package must get approval from the Cabinet. If not, it would be impossible for the Bhumjai Thai to continue to support the government.
 
Bangkokians must put up with the old NGV buses.
The commission in this project is so huge that it has drawn widespread negative reaction from both the public and the law-makers, particularly the Senate. Abhisit could feel the enormous heat from this leasing deal, forcing him to delay it out by order the National Economic and Social Development Board, the government's think tank, to come up with a recommendation within one month. The NESDB would study and recommend whether it is better off for the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority to lease or to buy the fleet of 4,000 NGV buses. At the same time, the Finance Ministry, under Korn Chatikavanij, is also working on a paralell study, in which it is going to suggest a lease/purchase package so that at the end of the lease term the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority would have the option to purchase the bus fleet.
 
Newin and Sophon have been very upset with the Democrats, who can't deliver the promise. The Democrats get caught in the dilemma. They also want this deal done, but they are afraid that they can't answer to the Thai society at large about the unanswered huge commission that involves. One month of NESDB's study would provide a cooling off period. But at the same time, the Democrats can also black-mail the Bhumjai Thai. If Newin really wants the bus leasing deal, his Bhumjai Thai people must vote for the passage of the Bt400-billion borrowing package next week. Newin must be doing some hard thinking now. What if the Democrats were to betray him again. He can trust Suthep, who is believed to have a control over Abhisit. But how about other Democrats? Can they all be ordered to queue up?
 
In the latest development, we have heard that the phuyai (the respected elderlies) of the Democrats would not allow the bus leasing deal to see the day light. If the bus leasing deal gets the Cabinet approval, it would signal the demise of the Democrats in Bangkok. Come the next general election, the Democrats would be voted out by the Bangkok people. The party's future is at stake.
I now bet that this bus leasing deal would be aborted. 
 
If the Bhumjai Thai were to vote down the Bt400-billion loan package in retaliation, then so be it. The Democrats could then tell the Thai public that it is the Bhumjai Thai, who torpedoes the bill which would have kep the country moving. Then Parliament would have to be dissolved. A new general election would have to be called. But the Democrats would not be alone this time. It is very likely that the Democrats would form an alliance with the People's Alliance for Democracy, which is now in the process of forming a political party called Phak Karn Muang Mai (New Politics Party).
 
As the Pheu Thai is getting smaller, the Bhumjai Thai will emerge as a formidable player in the next election. Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra is believed to be planning other sattelite parties. So basically, Thai politics will contiue to polarise between two opposing forces, this time between the Democrats & New Politics against Bhumjai Thai, Pheu Thai and all others.
If Bhumjai Thai continues to support the Abhisit government by voting for the bills, then Abhisit will hang on his delicate balance as prime minister. We all know that Newin would not bite the bullet for too long. Thai politics is once again trying to nagivate a dangerous curve, only to expect the further turmoil lying in waiting.
 

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comment 34
Ian date : 17/06/2009 time : 15.21
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ND, I was referring to a future event, every senior citizen eventually dies.

Stalingrad, I would say you have summed it up pretty well. At the moment nothing is predictable in thailand so he is sensibly adopting a wait and see strategy.
comment 33
stalingrad date : 17/06/2009 time : 14.28
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ND and Ian,

On Thaksin's future, he can't come back like Thanom and live a quiet life, because of all the court cases filed against him. And there are efforts to extend the legal prescription period for such cases, otherwise we'd get these rich thieves waiting in luxury like Ragesh until the prescription period expires, and then return.

He has 3 choices: return, show up in court, and spend a few subversive years in prison (like Hitler did); wander forever until death like Pridi or FM Pibun; return as a part of a vanguard for a people's revolution like Lenin (through the Finland Station), or like Pridi who failed and had to retreat back abroad.

The last option he toyed with last April, claiming he'd literally walk to Bangkok leading his followers to overthrow the government and system; as sort of political blitzkrieg, using his charisma.

So he's weighing his options right now.
comment 32
notdisappointed date : 17/06/2009 time : 10.57

Ian, which funeral is this? Did someone we know die or is about to die?
comment 31
Ian date : 17/06/2009 time : 04.53
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ND, 30. A slight misunderstanding here, Thaksin will never quit in his mind, he will keep hoping, but I think he will quit in terms of active participation. I think he is waiting to see what happens after the funeral, will it give him a chance or not, until then he will do little other than try to stay in the public eye. An easy task with the media obsession with him.
comment 30
notdisappointed date : 17/06/2009 time : 02.02

Ian, thank you! You've finally admitted it. Must be that clean English air that has cleared up your thinking.
Thaksin will never quit.
If that's the case then we will continue in this merry-go-round.
Thaksin will not be let back in until he gives up.
And if he doesn't give up until his money runs out then we will continue this divisiveness.

How then can you expect to have a GE in the short-term? It has to be made a certainty that the next election will not be won by thaksin's nominees. And that's we we stand. The next government must not be composed of politicians who support a return to thaksinacracy.
comment 29
Ian date : 16/06/2009 time : 22.25
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ND,28. I find it strange that I seem to understand Thaksin better than you, a Thai. He is exactly like my local godfather in the village, he locked horns with me and lost bigtime, major loss of face and power. But he never gives up, he keeps trying to recover his power base, now I am back in England he will be working like stink to try to regain his power.
These people never give up, face reality and accept my offer of peace. He will eventually go broke trying to match me, and I'm not even trying hard.
Thaksin is the same, it is pride that keeps him going, plus revenge. He might be able to fight the Democrats but he will never be able to fight the real establishment and the 3rd hand.
comment 28
notdisappointed date : 16/06/2009 time : 20.58

'Illegitimate' is too strong a word for something that has been accepted already these pass two years.

It is a fact and it is the system that we are living under these many years. A couple of more years and thaksin will either capitulate and come to an agreement or he will never see Thailand until he's 70.

That's where we're at. Nothing else matters. Don't let your socialism blind you to reality. If thaksin had just done the right thing and laid low; he'd be back in Thailand right now and having his picture taken at all the HiSo events and making more money as well.
comment 27
Ian date : 16/06/2009 time : 17.53
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ND, 26. A valid point, by accepting this "illegitimate government" and working with it, it becomes legitimized
As you said elsewhere, in Iran it is the educated middle classes which are in revolt against tyranny, in Thailand it is the working classes.
However, in both cases the real obstacles are not the tyrants but the soldiers which they control.

In Iran, Burma, N.Korea, Thailand and many African and South American states, it is clear that the Armed Forces are ultimately in control.
America is heading that way but for the moment it is unthinkable in European countries.
comment 26
notdisappointed date : 16/06/2009 time : 17.32

Well, Ian as they say the shoe's on the other foot. When thaksin and his nominees were in power they could do no wrong and those detractors were intimidated and muzzled.

This is Thailand isn't it? But even in the West don't you say: "What's good for the goose . . . "

I haven't seen any complaints regarding thaksin's regime when he was in power only not that he's been deposed unconstitutionally have people come out to make grievances against politicians and those who have filled the vacuum.

Everyone is now working within the present system; within the presetn constitution. Therefore in a sense they have legitimized it. In this legitimization of a so-called 'unacceptable constitution' they make it legal. And in this legitimacy AV could stay on until the end of his term in 2011. Think on that. Is it better for the coalition to stay on and enjoy their benefits derived form power or move towards a GE that may change the situation?
comment 25
bzzzzzBee date : 15/06/2009 time : 21.35
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c24 ian ... like it or not ... i would think that it's the the culture (not religion) differences and the "local "environment ... it's like ...who will you find showing their affection openly ... say with a kiss ... an asian asian couple or an western couple?

or, would you be hesitant to handout liquor gifts in thailand or in an arab state?

i would probably think there are thais who would be asking the opposite of your view.
comment 24
Ian date : 15/06/2009 time : 16.48
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BB,23. I cannot understand why Thais get upset when Farangs post cynical comments. Can they not see the black humour in their situation?
comment 23
bzzzzzBee date : 15/06/2009 time : 13.28
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it's a merry-go-round, ian
comment 22
Ian date : 15/06/2009 time : 02.26
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ND, 20. "This Chairman is being investigated and charged for malfeasance but since no verdict has been given he is still free to make money."

This seems a familiar story, if you are poor, red, or not the flavour of the month, verdicts appear like greased lighting.
If you are yellow, PAD or the current flavour verdicts get lost in the processing.
I am sure if the tables were turned the same would apply in reverse. What a way to run a country.
comment 21
notdisappointed date : 14/06/2009 time : 18.35

Ian they're to go to Nakorn Ratchasima and into Jai Kieng's stable of busses.
comment 20
notdisappointed date : 14/06/2009 time : 18.34

c17, perhaps I should have been more clearer and said "supposed" indepentdent agency or to be more PC 'independent agency'.

Ian when the deal was first proposed at 6,000 busses the old "Euro busses"; the owner od the largest cross provincial bus service Jai Kieng was to take over thses old busses; of course at a depreciated prioce.

FYI the present Chairman of BMTA was previously a 'Director' in charge of sourcing the old "Euro Busses". He also leased them, and, as well, the BMTA took a loss on the first day of operations. His political masters have used the same concept but this time with 4,000 busses. This Chairman is being investigated and charged for malfeasance but since no verdict has been given he is still free to make money.
comment 19
panya date : 13/06/2009 time : 22.20
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I would expect a fair split between all, including some in Surat Thani too!
comment 18
Ian date : 13/06/2009 time : 18.51
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Panya, I catch your drift perfectly, it was why I asked my question. Where would you expect them to resurface, Chiang Mai, Pattaya, or perhaps Udon?
comment 17
panya date : 13/06/2009 time : 12.21
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C15

Yes, nd, I too think it will go through, and in a fashion to keep the senators happy at taurus8 said.

I'm slightly surprised to hear you refer to the NESDB as an independent agency, though superficially it may be. And knocking 5-10% off a deal of 65 billion is watered down? I may dilute a single Malt like that, but 2 billion dollars for buses in a city paralysed by traffic?

C16

Ian, the old buses, some of which are really quite new (yellow and orange) will of course be sold off at a loss, so that some can be repurchased at a profit, and others relocated at a profit, if you catch my drift.
comment 16
Ian date : 13/06/2009 time : 02.33
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Can someone tell me, if the bus deal was cancelled is there a cancellation fee or clause? If the unassembled buses are sitting at the docks in thailand does that not constitute acceptance of delivery?
What is the proposed fate of the old buses? Will they be scrapped at a profit or at a loss?
Diesel engines converted to biodiesel make good electricity generators in out of the way places.
comment 15
notdisappointed date : 13/06/2009 time : 00.33

The deal will go through Panya. Because AV has let an independent agency, NESDB, srutinize it. Their recommendation will be passed. It is not a pt proposed deal any longer, but a watered down version that AV can allow.

Democrats and NPP together will not achieve a majority therefore BJT will have to make a deal with thaksin and join pt, or choose its side now. AV needs to keep BJT sweet to deny pt an alliance.
comment 14
wch date : 12/06/2009 time : 17.19

I find this Nation Blog to be full of hypocrites and people without a good grasp or perspective on "real life' and the rules.

I may add, Thailand is full of hypocrites.
Dear Peace, open your blog with different name, I will make you real.
comment 13
taurus8 date : 12/06/2009 time : 16.41

I do not think that the June 15 Parliment will end up as dramatic as you made up to be. It will be broadcast live and all parties will be at their best behaviour. None will like to be seen by the general public as the saboteur of the nation economics and the cause of massive government servants unpaid salaries.

Moreover, all the parties need the 2010 budget to be passed so they can be answerable to their supporters.

As for the leasing, it will be watered down to a lease/purchase package which will appease most including the senates.

As for the Demo & PAD unholy alliance; they are so seperated by idealogy that it is just not possible to have a common platform. There are more liabilities than benefits.

When the smoke settles, the BJT will be the one left standing and looking good as Newin exploits all the loopholes to his advantage.
comment 12
Outsider date : 12/06/2009 time : 15.57
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Hmmm maybe Rakesh Saxena can give them some ideas on how to raise the money for this project. He will be reunited with some old friends.
comment 11
panya date : 12/06/2009 time : 13.16

C10

Khun Thanong, you say "the Cabinet will have to approve it". But why? If after analysis it was found to be financial nonsense, difficult to implement in lieu of existing traffic levels, less desirable than an alternative transport system, and inappropriate for the economic situation, and the public were presented with the reasons and agreed, why could it not be shelved? Merely on account of House dissolution or a coalition breakdown?
comment 10
Thanong date : 12/06/2009 time : 10.06
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Panya: Government may issue law via executive decree or an act. Executive decree can be executed immediately without parliamentary approval and without a need for detailed clarifications. But as a gesture of transparency, governments opt to go through parliament to formally endorse executive degree once it is introduced. An act is a piece of legilsation -- normal law that will have to go through parliamentary process for approval.

Notdisappointed: Anything can happen between now and the next month. Yes, the bus deal can be watered down to Bt50 billion or lower. But eventually, the Cabinet will have to approve it. That's the end game. Dirt will be thrown at the politicians if this deal is passed.
comment 9
Plaadip date : 11/06/2009 time : 21.19

"Why did it suddenly change to the story that the politicians embezzle the 60 percent of the total budget?"

Is this correct phrase? Sorry for my bad English as always.

1 million multiply 4000 eaqual to 4 billion. It's still huge money. It's around 6 percent of the total budget. But the Phum Cai Thai's new proposal cut the budget around the same ammount.(67 billion to 63 billion) I think that's why the minsiter always make the point of the budget cut introduce by them.

I have no doubt that politicans will get benefit from the project, but the story of 20-30 billions baht commisson going to the politicians might be an exaggeration based on the oppoition's leak.
comment 8
Plaadip date : 11/06/2009 time : 20.43

Following is what thai media reported on the scandal when PPP scaled down the lease project to 4,000 busses.

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But it was also strongly opposed by the Democrats and the People’s Alliance for Democracy with the opposition party claimed that there is a kickback of 1 million baht to be paid for each new bus leased under the project.
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Why does it suddenly become to be a story that their commission is around 60 percent of the total bugdet? Probably some PT party source leaked the true story to Thanog about the lease after they became an opposition party.
comment 7
panya date : 11/06/2009 time : 19.18

C6

Of course, the appointments and promotions, the vital shuffles for key positions before an election. Good point!

C4

I quite often change my opinions when I read valid discussion. Bye!
comment 6
notdisappointed date : 11/06/2009 time : 16.28

K. Thanong, here’s where I disagree with your analysis. In the lead up to the dissolution of parliament and subsequent GE; it is necessary that government parties build up their ‘cash reserves’ and put loyalists in key positions in the bureaucracy; the only way to do that is to remain in power. As a caretaker government; they cannot transfer, make appointments. Promotions and demotions, and they can’t even prepare the 2010 budget.

If a dissolution to parliament is called then by law it will be within a 90 day period after the dissolution. Look at it this way. If next week BJT party sink the decree and AV dissolves parliament, then the earliest time that a GE can be reasonably called is 45 days. That means about end July first week August. Then say two weeks to make the vote official and form a government; that takes us to end August. A new government will have only two weeks to prepare a budget for 2010 to be passed by parliament within end September. September is the end of the country’s fiscal year. If under the timeframe that I mentioned and the budget cannot be presented and passed the country/bureaucracy will have no money to spend; and no transfers, promotions and appointments can be made.

It will be chaos. AV cannot dissolve cabinet at this time. And BJT know it. Therefore in their own self-interest they shouldn’t be forcing a dissolution of parliament by their actions.

The bus deal will pass; but in a watered down version that will be reluctantly accepted by all. That’s my opinion anyways.
comment 5
Plaadip date : 11/06/2009 time : 16.08

I read the author's other articles on the theme. It seems to be my illusion that the "purchase opiton" will work. "Lease/purchase" will be the same negative effect against Dems politically.

But I still can't believe that they are able to push a project in which 60 percents of the money will go to the politicians. What is the source of Thanong for his calculation of actual costs in the project?
comment 4
Peace_Out date : 11/06/2009 time : 15.39

Please Pardon my getting off subject here.
I find this Nation Blog to be full of hypocrites and people without a good grasp or perspective on "real life' and the rules.
I had some opinions about the needless violence and irresponsible comments of some, so I created my user name.
Time for me to move on from stubborness and illogical people and get back to my positive self.
Get a Life people instead of just nagging ezch other needlessly.
No one will change their stubborn opinions evben after presented with true facts.
Good luck and good bye to you all.
Thank you Thanong for allowing me to speak my peace off-subject on your blog.
comment 3
Plaadip date : 11/06/2009 time : 15.05

How about the purchsing option? Does the compromise solution mean nothing to Phum Jai Thai? (At least they can keep thier face, I guess.) The party chief (nominal one) also expressed his support for the option. The bus price is easy to check. They cannot get away with a lot of money ,comparied with the lease. Bangkokians may not see red, if it turns out to be in that way. Is this not the reason why the "Phu Yai" in Dems opposed "the lease" not the NGV bus project itself?

Newin might not be so stupid to believe he can get away with the project in which the 60 percent of the money goes to the commission of politicians.
comment 2
wch date : 11/06/2009 time : 14.04

Now people start talking about BMA being project owner that concession out private operators route by route. Only unprofitable line but badly needed to support the poor is run by OSomoko. BMA must rule them under its jurisdiction.

It is indeed strange why Bangkok city business is cooled by central government ?.
BMA must be elevated as the capacity of a ministry, reporting directly to PM, not to the unelected minister of interior. MOI must engage more in the southern issue because it is their main job, internal security.
comment 1
panya date : 11/06/2009 time : 13.39

A fascinating piece of speculation. But help me out with a few points:

You say the 2nd bill, the loan package, is being introduced as an act. What is the significance of that?

How can Abhisit keep to his part of the bargain and push the leasing deal through, when he was so vociferously against it under previous governments, and when the Senate have threatened to block it if he does? And why is Korn working on a leasing/purchase deal as an alternative; is that any better, and what is the point if you think the project will be aborted anyway?

Lastly, do you think that an alliance between the Democrats and the PAD party would gather so many votes with enough certainty at this stage to make BhumJaiThai feel that an alliance with Peua Thai would not win an election?
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