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Monday , December 15 , 2008
Abhisit is Thailands 27th prime minister
Posted by Thanong , Reader : 2766 , 10:59:46  
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December 16, 2008

Abhisit 'faces tougher job than Chuan in 1997'
By Thanong Khanthong

Prime minister-elect Abhisit Vejjajiva will have a tougher job than Chuan Leekpai, who led Thailand back to a growth path after the 1997 financial crisis, given the bitter political divide and broader dimension of economic problems.

Abhisit, who won a vote for the premiership in Parliament yesterday against Pracha Promnok of the Puea Pandin Party, has already announced he will serve as head of an economic team and focus on restoring confidence in Thailand and bridging the political and social divide.

A high-level Democrat Party MP yesterday said the present problems were more complex than in 1997, when Thailand faced a foreign-exchange crisis and a collapse of the corporate and banking sectors and the Bank of Thailand having blown its entire foreign reserves.

"Now we cannot just tackle the economic problems alone without curing the social and political ills in parallel," the MP said.

After painful financial restructuring, the export sector led the Thai economic recovery on the back of devaluation of the baht. The sound global economic environment also helped boost exports, which spurred a timely Thai recovery.

But now the world is threatened with recession, with financial crises in the US and Europe, which are important trading partners. Thai economic growth is set to decline, probably to 1-2 per cent at most next year. If exports were to rise 5 per cent next year, after 20-per-cent growth this year, it would be a blessing.

"It will be more difficult for the Democrats to achieve fast results in tackling the economic problems now than in 1997," said Ekamol Khiriwat, a former secretary-general of the Securities and Exchange Commission and former Democrat member.

"Then, our financial institutions were collapsing. Now, everything is kind of slowing down. Consumption is bad. Exports are bad. Unemployment is also going to be bad. It will be tough to achieve fast results in tackling these economic problems."

Ekamol suggested several remedies to boost the economy:

First, the government must make sure interest rates are kept low in real terms.

Second, bank credit must flow to the needy corporate sector in the broader economy. Banks are now fearful about the weaker economic environment, which could make repayment of loans difficult. So state-owned banks must take the lead in pushing out credit to keep the economy humming.

Third, the government must help the private sector push for exports. Measures to assist exporters to boost exports and find new markets must be implemented quickly.

Fourth, investment, both public and private, must be stimulated in order to lift domestic consumption.

Fifth, allow the exchange rate to stay down if the baht becomes weaker. In the present environment, Thai exports need to be competitive against products from other countries.

Kiat Sitthi-amorn, a Democrat candidate for the commerce portfolio, said a priority of the new government would be employment, as the Federation of Thai Industries expected up to a million out of work next year.

He said the new administration must come up with innovative measures to create jobs, both permanent and temporary, in order to help reduce socio-economic impacts from rising unemployment, especially among the low skilled.

The new government will also have to revive tourism and other sectors hit hard by the recent closure of Bangkok's two airports by anti-government protesters, as well as boost the farm sector.

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December 15, 2008

Abhisit Vejjajiva of the Democrat Party has become Thailand's 27th prime minister. He has won over Pracha Phromnok, the leader of the Puea Pandin Party, by a margin of 233 to 197 votes in Parliament.

That's the easy part. To become a prime minister is difficult. But to serve as prime minister is even more difficult. Just ask Samak Sundaravej and Somchai Wongsawat how it is so tough to hang on the high office.

It's my turn.

Abhisit brings a youthful image and hope to the political theatre, which has been in turmoil over the past three years. The challenge facing Abhisit is enormous, politically, economically and socially. With the bitter political and social divide, Abhisit will have to adopt a more reconciliatory tone in bringing the Thais together again.

He has uttered his goal. First, he would like to defend the Monarchy from any slanting or misunderstanding. Second, he would lead to bring about an economic recovery. Third, he would try to work on national reconciliation. And finally, he would restore confidence back to Thailnd among the international community of nations.

The first task is important because there has been a systematic campaign to undermine confidence in the Monarchy in order to divert the attention from the political malaise. More than 400 web sites involving in indecent and anti-Monarchy materials were closed down by the ICT Ministry in September alone. 

The political task will always be tough. Abhisit is not going to enjoy a comfortable margin in Parliament. Stability cannot be taken for granted. Some have predicted his government might last six months because a political accident can happen any time. Abhisit will only have to perform his best.

The Red Shirt army is preparing to undermine his government in the same way that the People's Alliance for Democracy had protested against the People Power-led government. But it is not likely to match the PAD.

Abhisit will not have the home-field advantage of a strong economy. The Thai economy is weakening going into 2009. The world economy is in bad shape, aggravated by the financial crisis in the US and Europe. The Thai exports will be hard pressed. Unemployment will be rising. Tourism has taken a bad hit. Agricultural prices have already collapse.

Abhisit will have no time waste. His government will delivery policy address to Parliament on December 26. He will have to assemble a good economic team to tackle the economic weakness as quickly as possible. The most effective way to stimulate the economy is to spend government money directly into the economy to create jobs and rejuvenate the economic activities.

Working toward national reconciliation will not be easy. The wounds are so deep. The rural and urban divide has been chronic. Abhisit will need to have a dialogue with the rural voters in the North and Northeast, the traditional base of the defunct People Power Party. Communicating with the Thai people will be one of his most important jobs so that the country achieves reconciliation.

Newin Chidchob, who has led a defection from the defunct People Power Party and has been instrumental in Abhisit's premiership, has already given the advice to Abhisit that he should dish out at least Bt100 billion into the rural programme to stimulate jobs and consumption. This would help the rural people have something to bank on during the economic hardship ahead. Soon they would forget Thaksin Shinawatra, Newin suggested.

Restoring confidence among the international community is equally important. Foreigners and foreign governments do not understand the complex political situation of Thailand. They need to be informed about what has gone wrong with Thailand and how Thailand will be on a course of self-correction.

Abhisit will have a chance to shine at the Asean Summit, which has been resheduled to February next year. That will be a good platform for him to meet with other regional leaders and explain to them about Thailand's status.

Can Abhisit do the job?

Unlike most politicians, he does not have business connections or vested interests that he needs to protect. He was born from an elite family and went to Eton and Oxford. He served as a teacher at the Chulachom Klao Military Academy before leaving to teach at Thammasat University's Faculty of Economics. Then he went into politics, joined the Democrat Party and got elected as a Bangkok MP at the age of 27. He served a number of Cabinet portfolios in the past. His weakness is his lack of management experience outside the politics.

If he surrounds himself with capable people, who give him the best advices, all he needs to do is to make decisions. He will make some errors and some good decisions. But if he serves his premiership honestly, the Thai people will give him a chance.

Abhisit has nothing before him except to serve the Thai public. This call is noble as he has been raised to do so.

Korn Chatikavanij has also been raised along this tradition. Once he made it in the financial world, he retired and entered politics. Korn said his family has taught him that once he had enjoyed success in the society that nourished him, he should return the favour back to society.

This sense of noble obligations in public policy is so lacking among the Thai politicians, who mostly enter politics in order to seek power, money, fame,  and business networks and connections. Few Thai politicians engage in political discourse over the virtue and soundness of public policy.

We still have this sense of public policy consciousness among the technocrats at the National Economic and Social Development Board, the Finance Ministry and the Bank of Thailand for instance. But among the politicians, there are very few of them out there.

Abhisit's rise to power is another accident in Thai politics, coming after two of his predecessor losing power in a hurry, in a period of less than one year. The judiciary review is up to its task. The message is clear. If the politicians believe that they can continue to buy votes, they will see the axe falling on their parties. Thailand's rule of law system is up and running after years of rusty negligence.

Abhisit should use this rare opportunity to set high standard of political governance for his administration. Looking at the coalition partners and the politics as we know it, there is not much hope on this front. But it is a challenge. It is time to make history.

  

 

 


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comment 117
catch22 date : 19/12/2008 time : 14.30
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I think Abhisit will do well.
Thailand has tried Thai citizens as prime minister, I guess its now up to an Englishman to help steer them out of trouble.
comment 116
peacefulness date : 17/12/2008 time : 19.09
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with the endorsement from hmk , abhisit vejjajiva now the 27th pm of thailand.
comment 115
Frankie date : 17/12/2008 time : 14.31

Well Ian, that's about as serious as mistakes get.
comment 114
Ian date : 17/12/2008 time : 14.02
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Frankie, indeed we learn by mistakes, I once made the mistake of having a joint account with my wife
comment 113
Frankie date : 17/12/2008 time : 13.33

Ian, I think it was very prudent of you to give your son access to only one of your bank accounts.
comment 112
Ian date : 17/12/2008 time : 11.55
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Frankie, I am all in favour of giving the young their chance, this year I have handing over the responsibilities of running my family affairs to my son (36 years old), even given him access to one of my bank accounts
We learn by our mistakes, as I became older I made less, but the main person to suffer by my mistakes was me, and sometimes rarely my family.
Abhisit has taken on a family of 65 million people. I hope for their sake he is a fast learner.
comment 111
Frankie date : 17/12/2008 time : 11.35

Ian, I note your comments.
I would like to state the obvious that we were not born old. If there is good reason the young should be given the chance to prove their worth. In the case of Abhisit I believe there are many reasons.
Please note the quote from Johnson. I am far from alone in my trust in Abhisit.
comment 110
peacefulness date : 17/12/2008 time : 10.06
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Politic blog from guardian co.uk.

"Vejjajiva, was a contemporary of Johnson's at Eton, and a year ahead of David Cameron. Like the London Mayor and the Conservative leader, the new Thai PM, who is known as "Mark Vejj" to his British friends, also went to Oxford.

"I'm sure it's an omen," a Tory spokesman tells me.

11.45am Update: Johnson has paid tribute to his old schoolmate this morning. "Mark is a man of intense integrity and high intellectual gifts. I am sure he will be a splendid leader in Thailand."
comment 109
Ian date : 17/12/2008 time : 10.01
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Frankie, as a former teacher (and hence creator) of educated young men, I hope you will understand that I feel rather cynical.
The "Ban the bomb" protests of the 60's was predominantly the province of the educated young people of that time. We still have the "bomb" even more so than then.
Educated "young" men lack one thing that comes with age and experience, that is pragmatism.
comment 108
Frankie date : 17/12/2008 time : 08.58

Ian, the word Democracy hasn't vanished from Thai vocabulary. It has struggled to appear over the past 70 years.
However, you will see it more prominant from now on in.
comment 107
Frankie date : 17/12/2008 time : 08.52

From a leadership of cooks and crooks over the past six years. Thailand now has a leadership of educated young men, without vested interests, and who will lead Thailand into the future.
Why anyone would suspect that Newin should be afraid of Shinawatra, or the voters, who will soon forget the tyrant when they are shown a better way forward.
comment 106
Ian date : 17/12/2008 time : 08.51
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What I find truly incredible is that a government has been formed but it will be at least another week before it announces its policies.
I cannot recollect a government ever being appointed anywhere without a previously know policy.
Basically this government has an open ticket, unbelievable.
A government with no public mandate and it seems no formulated policy, excuse me for asking but when did the word democracy vanish from the Thai vocabulary?
comment 105
DKO date : 17/12/2008 time : 08.37
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Lalida C100


Gave you figures, FACTS and reasonable analysis of those facts. You just do not like them, nor the fact that this time the Dems out manoeuvred the PPP/PTP and Mr.T and you are as "pissed off as Hell about it".

This is clear by your recent comments and Blogs, which I hasten to honestly say I DO understand and have some sympathy with your reasons -but not all.

Now that IS the TRUTH and the FACTS

Regretfully Lalida this is how politics are far to often in the REAL World - DIRTY!!).
comment 104
tarnsamai date : 16/12/2008 time : 22.30

R A T S ?

some people refer to them as C O C K R O A C H E S (mangdar)

don't believe - goto
http://sloone.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/cockroaches-take-over-the-government/
comment 103
FOS date : 16/12/2008 time : 21.44
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K. Thanong,

It is you who is getting confused, my C100 was refering to the last election, the present one is not an election, it's called nomination by a hand full of betrayal rats.

Newin will be nobody in the next election, he has just dug his own grave and so goes with the rest who jumped wagon and this is my murky thoughts.
comment 102
Steven date : 16/12/2008 time : 21.12

Its the day Thailand stood still.

It will need more than an alien to save it
comment 101
Thanong date : 16/12/2008 time : 19.29
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Lalida, you're getting confused. The voting for the prime minister took place in Parliament. Abhisit won the votes over Pracha because of the swing votes from the Newin Group, formerlly from PPP, and support from other coalition partners. Newin did not betray Thaksin. It was Thaksin, who dumped Newin in the first place. Read my previous blog.
comment 100
FOS date : 16/12/2008 time : 19.24
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Dave,

Again, you throw me numbers, percentage. Why not throw me with actual facts. Was it not the PPP that got the majority votes? Was the votes not ahead of the Dems. I couldn't care less what numbers you throw at me, all I care is the result and the result tells me people wants PPP. Is that not a true fact? If the Dems won ahead of the PPP I would have accepted that as well but they didn't and it's another true fact.

Regardless what the 21.7 MILLION or 30 plus % wants, they've lost and they have to learn to accept it as the election was done democratically. TRUE?
comment 99
twodogs date : 16/12/2008 time : 16.55
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Political is not true.
comment 98
massein date : 16/12/2008 time : 14.43
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One mans terrorist is anothers mans freedom fighter
comment 97
usmale date : 16/12/2008 time : 13.53

Felix, C66. My thoughts exactly. Of what I've read about Abhisit, I think he has what he needs to (hopefully) lead Thailand forward. Let's hope he does not get corrupted.
comment 96
Frankie date : 16/12/2008 time : 09.52

At the last General Election the then PPP secured a mere 100,000 votes nation wide more than the Democrates, hardly a whitewash. However, the number of seats didn't reflect this narrow margin. The PPP were still unable to form a government without the smaller parties, and now the tables have been turned.
comment 95
DKO date : 16/12/2008 time : 09.13
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C93,

Hi Ian ,

What you say is valid but of course Abhisit is speaking to and FOR the Thai people FIRST as he should).

Foreign views whilst very important for business, tourism, Thailand's global respect and status must come second to Thai beliefs and views and internal affairs.

Hence why I feel he made the comment about protecting the Monarchy which is fundamentally important to Thais.

(for me a short one eh? )
comment 94
DKO date : 16/12/2008 time : 09.02
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Lalida C80 ,

I DO get it ,and I think more than you in some respects even though not a Thai.

Its not about power, right or wrong, should Dems be in power, should PTP be in power, should the PPP not have been banned, is Mr. T a victim is Mr. T a bad man - we have all had enough of that and all the personal vendettas.

ITS NOW about the need to GO FORWARD and what is best for Thailand and the people of Thailand AT THIS TIME (I repeat at THIS time - not forever)

What is NOT best for Thailand is the politicians and their respective supporters sour grapes each time the other side makes manoeuvres that work or all the accusations and counter accusations either and demos and counter demos.

You keep saying "its about The people", "The People will not accept the nomination, “Power Back to the People” (and what the people want).

I will remind you again the voters at the last GE voted PPP 26.3 million (33.6% of the voters) and Dems 21.7 MILLION (30.3%).

Your continued implication that the People of Thailand (whole country minus a FEW anti democracy persons) are anti Dems and anti what they do and anti what they stand for, and are pro PPP is factually totally unfounded and misleading.

Whilst I agree with you most Thai voters, on all sides, are appalled by recent antics of the PAD you should accept (even though unpalatable for you and PPP supporters) the true reality of 21,7000,000 Thais will be happy the Dems are in power and 26,300,000 PPP voters will not be.

I would also suggest many of the those 21.7 Million Dem supporters did not consider the PPP played fair in the voting at the last GE (that is their view on the red and yellow cards even though PPP supporters cry “foul”) nor did most of those 21.7 million fellow Thais (who voted Dem) consider handing power back to the people meant allowing Mr.T to run the show from exile and pull the strings not like the PPP policies. You will see it differently but 21.7 MILLION Thais would not agree with you.

So do you count the 36.63% out of 100% who voted PPP as THE PEOPLE of Thailand. By my calculations the PPP convinced only 37 people out of 100 that they should Govern. That was better than the Dems and enough but hardly impressive nor the massive majority of Thai people (as you infer every time you talk about giving power back to The People) 63 out 100 do not want the PPP or its reincarnation PTP and I suggest will accept the current nomination and that mostly its only Mr.T, Red Shirts and PPP/PTP supporters as you that will not.

You did not like me quoting figures in a different Blog but in fact these are fact that 99.9% of people on all sides of the divide agree on and you cannot deny the mathematical facts.

Whichever way you do the maths, and no matter how many times you say similar things, the PPP were not the unanimous countrywide supported party at the last election as you believe. The country was seriously and not far from equally divided.

The PPP were not even an OVERALL majority Government and needed a few coalition party MPs to be 100% sure (admitted not many).

I feel I am going round in circles so I will desist from further comment except to say Dem supporters will happily accept this result (nomination) and PPP supporters as yourself never will.

The PTP have said they will not try a “Vote of no Confidence” but allow the Dems a short time to see if they and the PTP can help the country, irrespective of the PTP’s views on how the Dems got into power.

May I suggest you follow your party’s wise lead. Whether the Dems method was bad or not, it was legal and is NOW HISTORY and seemingly a "done deal" (unless the Royal consent is withheld which I cannot see happening). Its time to move on and cut the bitterness of feeling out manoeuvred. Manoeuvring in (democratic) politics happens daily the World over – shit happens
comment 93
Ian date : 16/12/2008 time : 08.53
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I know little about Thai politicians, in fact until the coup I took no interest in politics. So Abhisit is only known to me through fellow bloggers and the Nation newspaper.
The impression I have been given is that he is cultured, British educated and intelligent.

So I was rather alarmed when I read his "platform" in the Nation.

"He has spelt out his goals. First, he wants to defend the monarchy from any slanting or misunderstanding. Second, he wants to lead an economic recovery. Third, he will try to work on national reconciliation. And finally, he will seek to restore international confidence in Thailand.

His item "first" seem to contradict his item "finally".

Or is this just words for popular consumption.

If he really understands western thinking the worse approach in my opinion would be to "defend the monarchy", firstly it implies it needs defending, secondly unless done very subtly it will smack of a cover-up. Any aggressive attacks on foreign media and websites will simply aggravate matters. Far better to do nothing, without fuel the fire will go out.

Otherwise he seems to have reasonable objectives, although rather "skeletal", how he will flesh out these skeletal proposals remains to be seen.
comment 92
TerryK date : 16/12/2008 time : 07.56
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C85:

I believe you are referring to the Phuket land scandal that resulting in the Dem government under Chuan having to dissolve the House through a vote of no confidence.

I am with you on this. I believe all if not most Thais know and remember it. However I am not sure if the non Thais were with Thailand long enough to know it.
comment 91
TerryK date : 16/12/2008 time : 07.51
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c81, FOS
Yes, I am in luck.

To be fair to Thanong, I do feel he tried to be fair. But often, you talked on principles (What is right) while he seems to resigned to the unjust reality (TIT) and support him whom he recognize as perhaps the best man (hope) for Thailand.
comment 90
Pomjuk date : 16/12/2008 time : 05.52
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This should be investigate by the members of the house.
comment 89
Pomjuk date : 16/12/2008 time : 05.46
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It is another old politics being played in the lower house again. I heard that Nevin's friend each gets B25 mills: a small change for the dark figure behind the silent coup. I think now we should dissolve the house and disband democrat party and have another election.
comment 88
expresso date : 16/12/2008 time : 02.50
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Max, you, along with FOX, don't try to bring out the 'uniqueness' of the Isan people as if giving the rest a lesson!

More and more, I begin to think you and FOS share some commonness despite the obvious differences though the falangs may equate, one day, the same - same same!
comment 87
expresso date : 16/12/2008 time : 02.44
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c83, Max, not everyone in or from Isan is like you!
comment 86
expresso date : 16/12/2008 time : 02.42
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c80 from Fox: '...it's not about who's going to win,..'

Really?

Yo, you sounded impressive and impressing to those who don't know you.

Keep on trucking, my man!
comment 85
tarnsamai date : 15/12/2008 time : 23.34

what's the euphoria?

the politicians remained the same people. the same foxes but now put into different pens by some shadowy figures.

did suthep explained the rais of land meant for the poors ended up in the names of the richs when he was a minister?

you mean there are no horse tradings behind the scenes? you mean to say newin did what he did because he loves the country more than anything else? did anyone suggest he does not have a choice. or a "gun" was pointed at his head.

what about the 100 odd identified companies that sponsored the mobs? you mean to say they did it out of loyalty to the country? these companies are some form of munittit organisations?

oh pray buddha. pray that these politicians are all sincere people. pray that the banks would have mercy on loan defaulters when the celebrations end. pray that these politicians expect nothing but to serve the people with their utmost abilities.

and good luck abhisit. you need lots of advise from chuan leekpai (he's a good man).
comment 84
rakbkk date : 15/12/2008 time : 23.14
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Max, Abhisit will be wise if he stays away from politics of vendetta, that has brought thailand to the brink during the last 6 months.

Lalida, Times are so critical, really we cannot afford more damage, not right now, so even if we have to bear injustice for few months, so be it, most importantly, the "Social justice" needs to be done, because millions of livelihoods are set to be in a limbo, we need to prevent that.

As for criminal or political justice, we really need to put it on the back-burner, at least for now.

More vindictive that Dems and their masters get, more damage they will do to the nation, hope good senses will prevail.

As for Mr T, i believe he has sensed 2 things going by the silence on saturday:

a) he didnt want to be seen as a rabble rouser right now, he too needs a moment of peace (actually he can afford that--how?
b) this is like Hillary clinton back stepping in her presidential desires in 2004, she realised, it was too critical a time to be the President, secondly she realised, she had a thin chance to win, so better wait for a better tomorrow.

Thaksin has probably decided to wait for the Dems to falter, which , sooner or later, they might.. and that time will be just right for him to "Strike"
comment 83
MaxHeadroom date : 15/12/2008 time : 22.08
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Khun Thanong,
(1) not everyone in Isan is a rural a likes cheap populist recipes that are supposed to buy us and are said to have bought us. As long as you and other don't get this it will be difficult to bridge the gap because the prejudice builds the opinion not understanding.

(2) People should - in their priorities not stray into the off topic to fight the evils that may lurk behind every shadow. No witchhunting a la McCarthy. Grow up. There ain't no 400 web sites with anti royalists and there ain't no Finland plan. I know you have been put under some pressure but this topic ain't No. one in reality. It was invented as cheap propaganda that blows any problem out of proportions. It is like the supposed communists - nothin but paranoia. But an easy tool to brand others as disloyal etc. It is disgraceful to revert to such propaganda.

I'll say it once more: nothing has done more damage to the monarchy than political abuse by the very people that are not supposedly coming to its rescue. The coup, the junta, the puppet government and the PAD - all abused the monarchy for their purpose. And the failure to stop that has led to some circles losing their belief in balanced judgement over proclaimed neutrality.

Ok, Thanong do with the above what you want but as I said to Abhisit - first you have to rid yourself of the prejudice and frozen mindset and when your mind is open and your heart with the country the people will also come to you - not because of your stupid 200 Baht that so you believe have bought us for Thaksin.
comment 82
Ian date : 15/12/2008 time : 19.39
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Everyone seems to agree that one task he faces is getting the Reds and Yellows back in their homes, I hope he tries and I wish him luck, but I can't see it happening quickly. The more people unemployed the more people at a loose end to don coloured shirts.
comment 81
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 19.21
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Terry, you're in luck..Thanong agrees with you.
comment 80
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 19.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

You really don't get my msg...it's not about who's going to win, it's about power back to the people. People's Choice, democratic rights under the constitution. It's is now part of the problem that people do not accept the nomination, do you understand what I'm saying? No matter how hard Abhisit will try, his biggiest problems are the reds. Same as the PPP with the Yellow.
comment 79
Thanong date : 15/12/2008 time : 19.10
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I also agree with Terry. Well done!
comment 78
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 19.02
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C76, well said Terry
comment 77
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.59
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Lalida (C74)

regretfully I think it will not happen BUT I 100% think the new Government has a duty to uphold the law and it should.

I hope the new Govt does not make their first task to withdraw Mr.T passport. Under the Thai law it seems this should have already been done and they would be justified BUT and I offer a BIG BUT, now is not the time to bother with more minor issues, do as the PAD demand, or send a message to PTP and Mr. T supporters that the vendettas are e No.1 priorities still.

Unity is now the important issue, the World Crisis already hitting Thai employment and mutual agreed WITH the PTP necessary changes to the Constitution that all feel unfair and unjust (and they do share some common concerns). Its good to talk and maybe the PTP's bigger Constitutional concerns can also be addressed and a fairer (if not perfect) comprise be agreed and put through. Further changes can alway be made later.

I am very aware that with so many MPs banned for 5 years that (expect for the worst cases of abuse) Thailand cannot afford this amount of talent to be sidelined for so long.
comment 76
TerryK date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.59
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/TerryK

I believe that the only way to restore law and order in Thailand is to enforce it with the same yardstick. Any attempt to arrest and persecute the Reds who threw stones without attempts to arrest and persecute those Yellows who were filmed shooting their guns will not be well received.

If Abhisit wants to restore respect of Thailand in the eyes of the global community, he need to ensure that the law is fairly implemented for all parties.
comment 75
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.47
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

Lalida C69

He was smart enough to NOT support a new E coz he KNOWS the PTP would have won.
Now you are smart enough to know that would happen Lalida - BE HONEST would have loved a GE as your party would have surely won - its not fair to blame Abhisit and the Dems thinking the same

Mind you, please correct me if I am mistaken, but it wasn't in his or the Dems power to dissolve the House and call a GE I believe (not that he would have anyway)

May I ask if a National Government would have considered him as PM (I doubt the PTP would ever have allowed that to happen willingly).

Every politician is arrogant or egotistical enough to think he/she can do a job all the others could not and they will usually take the easiest and best route (that's human nature). Hence no doubt why Abhisit and the Dems are giving it a go via the method they haver just successfully used.

Maybe a more interesting bigger question is "how the majority party was unable to keep and control the minds of their defectors and coalition parties(they tried had enough)?".

Just in case you are wondering. I am impressed with Abhisit as an individual, based upon his English TV interviews I saw prior to the last GE but I have no knowledge on Dem policies so I am NOT a Dem supporter.

I just want what is peaceful, unifying and best for Thailand. I personally doubt a GE would have been be that at this time, hence why I wanted a National Government for a time and although not previously stated) would have liked to see Abhisit front it.

If the view is that would never have been acceptable to PTP and it supporters then I suggest the notion of a National Government would have only been a sham with all in it divided totally on party lines. Thailand needs no more of this at present.
comment 74
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.30
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

Now you have a new government to ask, try them...
comment 73
Frankie date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.26

Well done Mark. You were always the best man for the job.
comment 72
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

C70

No that is breach of duty to the people and Country and totally unjust.

I find it astonishing that after a week long siege of the 2 airports (and longer sieges of parliament buildings) no arrests have been made.

What sort of Mickey Mouse justice and Law and Order is that?
comment 71
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

C67, Fair enough Lalida

Yes I know we the ordinary people WILL never know the full truth. It seems to me the problem with Thai politics is that (whatever ones views are) there are neigh "facts' to support each person's views.

There are so many facts, lies and distortions out there"

Do any of us, except those at the heart of the matters, truly know fact from fiction?

Of course we all believe our versions are based more on real fact than fiction. That is the problem as few agree with each other so facts to one side are lies to the other side.
comment 70
RN date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.17

the police will now take legal action against the red shirted people, and probably put them in jail, but when PAD shoot at people, block airports etc etc, police will not do a darn thing. Isnt it ironic?
comment 69
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.13
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Felix,

The problem now is not how he can lead or perform with the abilities that he's got but will the opposite allow him to lead and perform with his abilities. If he is as smart as he is, he would have supported a National Government or a new election.
comment 68
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.10
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

C63,

I agree in principle, but sorry disagree in fact.

Mr. Samak regretfully, got himself in a pickle with a few interviews in English because what he meant did not directly interpret into English the same way and he was misunderstood and had to subsequently explain.

Personally I admire him for trying his best to speak to an English audience in English. That showed bravery and respect in making the attempt.

You know Lalida that you commend of English helps a lot in you being understood by us English speakers and vice versa. That is all I meant.
comment 67
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

If I write in distortion, accusations, it's called attacks but when I wrote what they did and say, that's called "quotes" and facts. Futhermore, my issue right now is not about him but how he got the seat.
comment 66
FelixQui date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Although I believe everything I wrote in c.20, I do also think that Abhisit is the best possible choice. At the very least, he is intelligent, he is well educated, he is probably not corrupt, and he probably is well intentioned. Best of all, his education is the sort that will have equipped him with the most useful set of tools for the Augean job now facing him.
The question is, will he be able to wield those tools effectively? Can he make the tough and unpopular choices that are truly in Thailand's best interests?
Contrary to the foolish comments made by some ministry officials in the international forum recently, it is not the job of elected representatives to mindlessly follow what the majority want. They are elected to do what is best and right, which is not necessarily what is popular, and some things that Abhisit needs to do are likely to prove very unpopular.

I hope he has the guts to truly lead Thailand to something better.
comment 65
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 18.03
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

Lalida (C60)

And you do not attack Abhisit/Dems in nearly every recent comment I suppose (but that's fair enough).

It is hard to leave out Mr. T from any political discussion when he has tried very hard to ensure that he is not forgotten or left out. He has even asked on several occasions for all not to forget him.

WHO AM I TO GO AGAINST Mr.Ts WISHES? .

Whilst my references to him are numerous I feel they are not unfair or out of context.

However, to infer (which hopefully is unintentional) that I am suggesting those who support him or the PPP are stupid or uneducated or do not know what is going on are YOUR words NOT mine.

I do not equate Mr. T/PPP supporters with stupidity, and i NEVER HAVE, nor do I count education as important in whom you support (look at all the well educated supporters of the PAD - I rest my case!).

Many I know here in KK are Mr. T /PPP supporters They mostly have said to me (knowing I do not trust M.r T) "Yes we know there is corruption but we also know most politicians are at it in varying degrees. Mr.T and the TRT and PPP helped us and looked after us most, so we support and vote for them".

I think that is pretty intelligent, educated logic and reasonable feel on what is going on "behind the scenes" myself - don't you?.

comment 64
FelixQui date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.54
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Thanong, re. c. 53,
The red shirts are as bad as the yellow shirts when they resort to violence and other criminal behaviour.
Both should be brought to justice.
If Abhisit wishes to restore foreign respect and confidence as you suggest he needs to, then the PAD must swiftly be brought to justice. A very clear message does need to be sent that criminal behaviour is inexcusable whether the perpetrators are wearing red or yellow. Such a swift and transparent execution of justice is also the only way to undo the immediate international harm that the PAD has done to the Monarchy.

Perhaps there has been little outcry so far because the red shirts have done almost no harm when compared to the damage wrought by the PAD. A few cars smashed in anger does rather pale in comparison to the deliberate and planned seizure of airports in order to bring an entire country to its knees. But smashing cars is still wrong, even if a much smaller evil.
comment 63
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.52
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

All one needs is a real heart for the country and people, whatever background ones have is never an issue.

I always ask my old man whenever I see government officials meeting each other with a translator, they don't know how to speak english to converse. The answer was they are protecting their country's sovereign or whatever is related to it. They do not speak any other language except their own during official visits.
comment 62
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.44
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

No one said PPP, TRT or even Thaksin is any better than the Dems. What we're are saying is our democratic rights has been overthrown by injustice and dominations by the city people and the so called well educated bunch not to mention the soldiers in green.
comment 61
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

Lalida, I think you comment about Abhisit speaking fluent English was fair and valid. Internally that does matter little to most Thais.

(speaking only on the International front) Bearing in mind the International damage to Thailand's reputation of late and the fact English is such a universal language, I feel Abhisit's command of the English language will greatly help Thailand in International Diplomacy, tourism, foreign confidence and investment as he knows exactly how to "speak the speak" and there will be no loss in translation from what he actually meant (a problem Mr. Samak sometimes ran into).

Additionally, on the international front Abhisit will have a greater understanding of the cultural differences and should be able to communicate the Thai message more effectively without mishap or misunderstandings.

JMHO
comment 60
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.39
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Dave,

You cannot write one comment without the link of "Thaksin" can you?

Yes, we people are stupid, uneducated not being able to see what's behind the scene but we understand what democracy means and what we've gained from democracy. call it bribe, call it anything thing you want but it's solid in our hands and not hopes in our minds.
comment 59
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,

If he can lead Thailand out of this mess I don't think anybody would care so much about the way he came into power. That's another thing about our perceived "democracy", It's as if the most important thing is how a PM "come into power" instead of "what he has achieved when he is in power". And please don't talk what the Dem has achieved when they're were the opposition party. What else could they have done when the government didn't have any real policies for them to oppose. But let's put an end to Dem or anti-dem, or how Dem come into power. The important thing now is how the Dem going to use this power to help our country.
The question is: CAN HE with the reds on his tail not to mention all their opponents already asking questions and ready to pass the work to the honorable judiciary again ? Think real Manc
So you want to skip the part how they became into power….good one Manc, it’s just like talking about the PPP , TRT, Thaksin incidence right, let’s go on the subject at the end of the stream and not the beginning. Great insight Manc.
If they couldn’t perform their job as the opposition which is mainly for the “PEOPLE”, what else do you want us to expect from them being in the position. Simply tell me what they have done and archived, anything for the people and country? Anything at all except giving support to the PAD’s at GH or you missed that as well?
comment 58
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.31
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

C43,

well I suppose that is more backers than the TRT which was supported and founded essentially by ONE man Mr. T. He brilliantly won the hearts and minds of the N and NE and his grateful elected TRT MPs declared him PM (piece of cake).


Why do all TRT, PPP ands PTP and pro Mr.T supporters pretend that those elements are any cleaner in reality than the Dems they are mostly all the same -just the various games are slightly different depending upon circumstances at the time.

You could argue that when the PPP made a coalition with every small party (with MPs) in sight that the Dems democratically were the only ones to give the Country an opposition party in parliament (important in any democracy). The smaller parties of course were not promised anything by the PPP and willingly joined with them???.

What about the Mr. T support and funding of the PPP. what makes you think PPP were much better.

By all means make your valid points but please be balanced and not pretend the PPP are much (if) cleaner than the Dems.

Politicians are politicians and these are the games s they all play in Thailand in varying degrees (and these games are only the ones we have found out) about )
comment 57
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.22
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

FOS, it really doesn't matter how I or you think, I think we agree that we both want Thailand to be better, and although we may totally oppose each other poltical ideas and beliefs, or even "reality", I still hope that Abhisit can become a better PM than thes past few PMs, and that Thailand will benefit from him leading our country.

If he can lead Thailand out of this mess I don't think anybody would care so much about the way he came into power. That's another thing about our perceived "democracy", It's as if the most important thing is how a PM "come into power" instead of "what he has achieved when he is in power". And please don't talk what the Dem has achieved when they're were the opposition party. What else could they have done when the government didn't have any real policies for them to oppose. But let's put an end to Dem or anti-dem, or how Dem come into power. The important thing now is how the Dem going to use this power to help our country.
comment 56
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

OH, I missed out terrorism...
comment 55
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

As you have mentioned before Thanong. PAD did not stage rallies, they tried to stage a revolution.
comment 54
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.18
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Simple, they were protecting their "Democratic rights" and they are not terrorist but a angry violent bunch.
comment 53
Thanong date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.14
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/thanong

The Red Shirt people blocked Parliament this morning and they threw bricks that destroyed cars and hurt several MPs. I did not see anybody condeming them like when the yellow shirt staged the rallies.
comment 52
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.13
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

C49 Manc,

Tell me in return what time do they have to do what is right, Tell me if their works was not obstructor by the military, the PADS, the Academics, The media etc...etc....then I will answer you what they have done.
comment 51
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.10
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,

FOS, you'll be surprise how "facts" can be distorted depending on who's in power. I bet you anything the media will be more favoured to the Dem now that they're in power.

Has it not always been, just compare the tone of K.
Thanong now and then and please don’t miss out Yoon.

It's people like you with your "reality". You talk so much and give out so many opinions as though you know the answer to everything. It's one thing to talk, anybody can talk, but to act? That takes real courage.

You’re right, it’s people like me who only knows how to talk but I at least talk what’s real and not accusations or distortions.

Btw msgs on the TV are always screened, so that's another one of your "reality".

You just can’t face reality, can you?

You don't need to give him any chance, becuase all you can do is talk, and he is in power now anyway.

Manc my man, it is not important of him being in power now, it is more important of how long he can keep that power, even if I give him until his term finished, he will again be thrown back to where he was in the next election. Take my word for it.
comment 50
RN date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.07

Abhisit will be prime minister of Thailand, not because of the Thai people, only because of PAD and the millitary. I dont call this democracy, I call it dictatorship. Well I hope the red shirts block the government house now, time to taste the own medicine.
comment 49
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.03
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

C46, tell me what the past 2 PMs did right? Oh waut, actually tell me what they've done at all. during the past year, except trying to get their master " an out of jail" card.
comment 48
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

To describe his PM uniform in color, it is green. You got that Manc?
comment 47
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 17.01
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

FOS, you'll be surprise how "facts" can be distorted depending on who's in power. I bet you anything the media will be more favoured to the Dem now that they're in power.

Pure "dicatatorship" hahahaha. Yeah, ever heard of "monopoly"?

It's people like you with your "reality". You talk so much and give out so many opinions as though you know the answer to everything. It's one thing to talk, anybody can talk, but to act? That takes real courage.

Btw msgs on the TV are always screened, so that's another one of your "reality".

Obviously you never heard of "propaganda" and "media control".

You don't need to give him any chance, becuase all you can do is talk, and he is in power now anyway.
comment 46
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.59
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

C39 Manc,

It is not important of how much I know about him, it is important to me when people's rights are being overstepped.

I don't give a damn what he is but I give a damn what he had done that deserve what he can be and chosen by the majority of people.

So far, he had prove to me he is a loser being the oppsition in the past. Tell me one thing he did right...
comment 45
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.54
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,

I ask you one more question, has the Dem's been performing efficiently in the past being the opposition or have they just try to bring the government down for their own aacord?

Furthermore, how one can accepts a party that links with the PADs and Military. What chance you want me to give him. It is pur dictatorship and have no democratic means.
comment 44
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.49
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,

If people as educated as you of what I'm discomfort about, it is not about who wins. It's a bout people's rights being overthrown. I cannot accept a PM or a government that is chosen by a hand full of self interested politicians. It is not people's wish. If you are in this country, try reading the sms msgs on your TV screne.
comment 43
Simon date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.47
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/simontan2003

All this while the democrats only know how to complain, complain, complain and I'm sure that they will continue with complaining what the previous goverment have left for them to do ...

Abhisit should not be proud of himself, he only become the PM after help of 1 military coup, 2 judicial coups and further military interventions to force the smaller parties to form his coalition, with that much help my "Kway Chap" seller at Sathu Pradit Road can also be PM.
comment 42
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.45
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,
You wrote:

“because the previous PMs are mostly fools who buy their master degrees to decorate and boast their intelligence, never mind the mafia-thug mentality and power mad.”

So you accuse all the others as you mentioned, have you any prove that they bought it? Can you enlighten us with your evidence? Talk sense and talk facts. Is defamation one of the educated specialties? You call them fools just because you don’t like them and that’s fine with me but don’t throw distortion or accusations with no backups.

"Yeah, maybe the important thing is that they give money to the poor and keep them happy, but in reality they're just poisoning the country for their own benefits. I don' think they give a damn about improving eduaction, because they know that when people are more educated they will learn that the way they're bribed at every election is not progress. So thus it's easier to just give money and keep the poor happy and be their voting slaves."

You want to talk reality then you talk facts, you talk what it’s happening in front of everybody. You don’t talk with you bias mind. Accusation can be questioned and tackle. Reality and facts cannot. You cannot convince people to see a donkey as a horse.

I thought only Piset is good at distortion....you've just joined the club?
comment 41
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.44
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

FOS, I think it's time to give up "trying to win" and put some faith in Abhisit, because as with the past couple PMs, it just didn't work out. If the Dem did not win today, we'll be back with the PAD again. Let's just hope that things will turn out better, for Thailand and for the people.
comment 40
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

Why would you say that he wanted to be in the spot light, when he was ready to give the position of PM to Chuan, if that would have solved all the political problms in this country.
comment 39
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.40
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

FOS, what do you actually know of Abhisit as a person? Or other past PMs as a matter of fact. Sometimes I feel like you only doubt him because he is in the Dem and therefore is opposite of Dr.T Wonder what your perception of him would be if he's with Dr.T
comment 38
massein date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.37
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/massein

fos C35, all politicians or in it for themselves, its a super ego thing, they believe the world need them, hopefully they will do some good along the way. They really crave love
comment 37
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.35
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Abhisit should not be proud of what he won today but accept it as a chance given to him to prove what he can do for the people and the country.

One can only be proud when is elected by the people.

Thaksin, Samak and Somchai can be proud of speaking out loud "We are elected by the people" but not the Democrats with 200 plus votes within a smal group that represents only themselves.
comment 36
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

FOS, yes those are some of my preceptions because the previous PMs are mostly fools who buy their master degrees to decorate and boast their intelligence, nevermind the mafia-thug mentality and power mad.

Just look at most of the ministers in the last government. Most of the are not intellectually qualified for their posts. All the essential pre-requisites for these important roles of ministers, they have none but they just use money to buy required certificates.

Yeah, maybe the important thing is that they give money to the poor and keep them happy, but in reality they're just poisoning the country for their own benefits. I don' think they give a damn about improving eduaction, because they know that when people are more educated they will learn that the way they're bribed at every election is not progress. So thus it's easier to just give money and keep the poor happy and be their voting slaves.
comment 35
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.29
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Manc,

Let me throw you some murky logic that I have.

It is the Well Educated elites that turn this country upside down, it's the blinded uneducated that follows it and made it worst.

It is not how well eduacted or how much experiened one gains in a well develope country. What one needs is how whole heartly is he for the country and the people. Abhisit wants to be PM because he wants to be in the spot light of a leader of a country not because for the people and the country. I just hope he will prove me wrong about him in days to come.
comment 34
Simon date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/simontan2003

Manc,

If he had started in the correct way and that is by winning an election base on his ideology and vision in a OMOV democratic way, than I'll say .. Yes, go get them Tiger .. but

to endorse and accept the PADs doing, the underhanded way of the military support, the shameless judicial decisions, the selling of his souls to the other coalition parties, hugging Newin OMG..

Nay he is same same I think .. like the rest
comment 33
Chris-TH date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.21
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Chris-TH

Well, the new PM has got some additional challenges not mentioned here. First of all his Government will be responsible for handling the problem in the South. Now the Dems are in control of the Army and responsible for their actions.
Secondly, he won with a very slim margin. Slim, because there is a by-election coming up in Jan and I doubt that the Dems will get those seats. So heading up a coalition that, at this point, has 236 votes out of a total of 480 (with a full Parliament), makes it very shaky.
Then there is the pending case of 2 Dem executives that might have joined the PAD on Oct 7th, when they were supposed to be in Parliament. If the evidence holds (the videos), we might have another violation of Article 68, and this time a lot graver than some MPs buying votes.
But let's see what happens.
comment 32
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.21
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

K. Thanong,

You mean you have strong sided opinions, I agree and I'm sure you had put that crystal clear to me. The problem with me is not only I write murky stuff but also murky in my brain.

Manc,

I just love this part of yours :-

"For one thing Abhisit is different from the past Thai PMs. He is very well educated and have experiences in developed countries, traits that cannot be found in other PMs. And at the very least he can speak English properly."

Now I see where your perceptions are...
comment 31
manc date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.08
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/manc

For one thing Abhisit is different from the past Thai PMs. He is very well educated and have experiences in developed countries, traits that cannot be found in other PMs. And at the very least he can speak English properly.

I hope this will lead to the new era of Thai politics where the leader is no longer obsessed with money and prestige.
comment 30
Thanong date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/thanong

Lalida, I have strong opinions. I don't write murky stuff.
comment 29
GO_GET_A_LIFE date : 15/12/2008 time : 16.01
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DCKK

FOS, the middle-class / royal / elites / PAD / army are supporting Abishit. Why not everyone give him a chance for 6 months? If he can't perform, there's always another man (or woman) to replace him.
comment 28
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.54
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

K. Thanong,

It is the first time I see you praise a politician....I think Abhisit should come in and take in your warm kind words of advice.

What can I say, you're a member of the Nation...
comment 27
GO_GET_A_LIFE date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.53
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DCKK

The coup just happened too soon. If they're willing to let Thaksin to serve 1 more term, Dem may able to win the next one. This global financial crisis is hitting everyone. Almost all my client has identified people to be layoff. The PAD/Dem should just wait for 1 more term. Now TRT/PPP/ or whatever new party from Thaksin could just wait to salvage the problem PAD/Dem can't solve in the economy. Abishit has to be Ethan Hunt (MI-x) to solve impossible mission.
comment 26
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.48
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

C24 Dave,

I agree..either way it's a no win, win..
comment 25
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.46
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

Massein,

You are missing my point....
comment 24
DKO date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.16
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/DKO

Felix C20,

I think Abhisit truly has a poisoned chalice.

If he has learnt the lessons of the past and genuinely tries to help and be fair to the North and North East as their specific problems he will be accused by both the Yellow and Red Shirts and PTP of trying to buy support and votes for the next election. The Mr. T supporters will certainly say that.

If he ignores the North and North East or does not pay enough attention to them he will be accused by the PTP, Thaksin and the North and North East population of being biased against them, having learnt nothing ans STILL being the same OLD Dem party allied to the Middle and Elite classes, Bangkok and the South.

Seems to me he cannot win whatever he does.
comment 23
massein date : 15/12/2008 time : 15.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/massein

C20 that good so body will get the blame and not the US
C22 don't have to argue, I'm correct , the party and also change leaders at any time. If you remember Mr. T said
during his first assets investigation .that if he were disqualified it didn't matter , he said anyone can be the PM
but the party is still mine and i control that. True story . ask Ian, Yoon or Tanong
comment 22
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.51
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Dom

C19 Massein,

If ppl don't vote for the party, they wouldn't have a chance to vote for a PM, isn't it? It is quiet obvious now it's a election in a small circle with a hand full of people right? Argue that, my friend...
comment 21
Simon date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.49
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/simontan2003

Sooooooo STUPID this " A piece SH1T" .. he knows he wants to abstain from voting than he should have stayed home and collected the 50Mil Baht .. if what Suthep claims carry any truth.
comment 20
FelixQui date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.43
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I think Sul is right in c.7.
The PAD did so much damage that everyone who does not strenuously dissociate themselves is tainted, and the PAD and their supposed backers are going to be blamed for the coming economic problems. It will be interesting to see how Abhisit handles this. Will he immediately have the PAD leaders brought to justice? That might help him. Then he can deflect at least some blame from himself onto the PAD. Socially and politically, it would also help lessen the Bangkok - Thailand division to execute swift justice on the PAD.

Then there is the unfortunate fact that Abhisit is not the Thai people's choice of PM. It will be interesting to see how Abhisit handles this. Will he try to bribe the people of Isaan as Taksin did? The coffers are perhaps a bit empty for that, and likely to become even emptier as unemployment starts to hit.

And then there is the little matter of his fragile coalition. It will be interesting to see how Abhisit handles this. How long will he be able to keep them all towing the line? What, exactly, will that line be? What concessions has he promised to Newin's MPs? What will they demand next week?

If he can pull off an economic miracle, he just might please a majority and do some real good for Thailand. I hope he succeeds.

If he adheres to and enables for Thailand the principles of liberal democracy, he just might prove to be a truly great PM. He has the education and the intelligence. Does he have the courage and the leadership?
comment 19
massein date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.31
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Fos, PM are not elected by the ppl they are elected by their parties and coalitionist. PM get put out of office and new coalitions or form all the time. I f you want a president you have to have a republic, And all realize that is not the route for Thailand. Realignment is normal process of the parliamentary system. that why a vote of confidence is often call in different nations.
I think you should go to the library an read a couple of book on how the different systems or organized Do not take this as a criticism. Either system has their + and -'s I image that Ian could recommend a couple of good titles. God Bless Thailand
comment 18
FelixQui date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.29
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That's interesting.
I'm sure the future will continue to interest.

I thought it was in good taste to abstain from voting for himself.
Now, does he also have the good taste to call a general election to see if the Thai will vote for him?

Before that prompt election, he could also push through legislation to allow a free and open discussion of all the important issues facing Thailand. Will he?
comment 17
rakbkk date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.24
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Giving out cabinet seats for votes doesnt amount to bribe Lalida, you see, then the minister has to work hard by himself and "earn" the money.

Democrats want their new comrades to work hard for their share of cash, not just give away easy cash.. good isnt it!
comment 16
theinnaing date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.05
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Thanks FOS, so next election will decide whether Abhisit is a qualified PM or not.

But for this moment, should wait, see, and accept him if he does well for Thailand.
comment 15
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 14.01
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Hey Dalmatian! where have you been hiding, someone adopted you?
comment 14
FOS date : 15/12/2008 time : 13.58
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Theinnaing,

One good reason, he was not elected by the people. As it was mentioned, a silent coup with the help of all sides.

Noner,

You must have missed most of the news, not buying his way through. offering position is consider as what, you think all that MP's that vote for him gets nothing in return and really for the sake of the country?

Abhisit wins now and I hope he'll be able to stay on, it's nothing but thorns up ahead. People say it's easy to buy a luxury car but it won't be easy to keep it running without funds. If he's smart, he'll be looking into the next election by the people in 2 years time.
comment 13
massein date : 15/12/2008 time : 13.53
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i would say that he has less than 4 months to produce something tangible, That is very unlike, with the world environment. He doesn't have the mandate to get policy rubber stamp like the PPP or TRT. he will have to fight for every vote, Just like in the UK
comment 12
massein date : 15/12/2008 time : 13.49
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C9 Are you sure?
comment 11
Dalmasian date : 15/12/2008 time : 13.00
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Since Abhisit is a candidate for the PM post, it is only right and proper that he abstain from voting. Surely he should not be put into a position where he has to vote for himself since he will not vote for his competitor.

This is the best news that Thailand has since the Thugsin the Mother of Al Crooks was "voted" into power in 2000 deceitfully through rampant vote buying and "vacuuming with money" of the Kuangluang Mai and other political parties to gain votes in Parliament.

Congratulations to Khun Abhisit from Beijing, where I am visiting right now. He needs all the luck and intelligence he can get to get through the very difficult period that lies immediately ahead of him.

By the way, I heard from my friends and business associates here that Thugsin is now a "persona non-grata" in China. If that is true, I am most happy because he deserves this kind of treatment from all countries in the world. I hope one of the first things that the new government do is to cancel all of Thugsin's Thai travel documents to force him to return to Bangkok to face trial and justice.

-- Dalmasian
comment 10
windy date : 15/12/2008 time : 12.59
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

P'Thanong ka, what is this election process called? I heard they call it 'extraordinary session' but it just sounds really strange. :)

Anyway, I am glad that Abhisit now has a chance to be PM!
comment 9
noner date : 15/12/2008 time : 12.36

Finally, we have some body as our PM who didn't buy his way into his seat with corrupted money and dirty politic. Maybe my hope for his term is too high, too optimistic, but we will see. This is far from over.

I'm glad to see that not everybody will whore themselves out for Thaksin's money. Good luck for Abhisit, and good luck for Thailand. This is a good morning.
comment 8
theinnaing date : 15/12/2008 time : 12.33
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As I know, yellow-shirted people or PAD protested PPP government (Kh. Samak and Kh. Somchai) with reason of puppet government of Kh. Thaksin.

Now red-shirted people are protesting against Democrat government and Kh. Abhisit. What is their reason/excuse for protesting newly government? What are the faults of new government?
comment 7
sul date : 15/12/2008 time : 12.12
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How much time does K. Abhisit has? 2 years before the next elections ? Seriously and personally, I doubt he and the Democrats can salvage Thailand after what the PAD did
comment 6
rakbkk date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.58
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The best thing he can do to is not only try to address all layers of the society, and all the regions of the nation, but most importantly, always be friendly with the Opposition.

Knowing his congenial personality, I hope he would do so, it will good for his country and great for his own survival.
comment 5
Alien date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.52

It would have been pretty embarrassing if he lost by one vote. Then everyone would have been saying how stupid he was. In any event, he needs to "reach across the aisle" to involve all of the (honest) MP's (should be a short list) in his new government and he also needs to address the needs of the rural Thai. This the only way he can "heal" Thailand.
comment 4
Ian date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.39
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Strange in the British media a politician voting for himself is always good for a photoshoot.
comment 3
Pomjuk date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.31
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Ian: By not voting; Abhisit thinks he does not deserve the position either.
comment 2
Thanong date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.18
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Yes, Abhisit abstained from voting for himself as a protocol. But Pracha voted for himself.
comment 1
Ian date : 15/12/2008 time : 11.09
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Why did Abhisit abstain from voting, is this some Thai protocol or cultural thing?
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