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Thursday , November 5 , 2009
Thai recall of the Ambassador to Kampuchea, the next steps
Posted by stalingrad , Reader : 402 , 18:42:27  
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The recall of the Thai ambassador and review of all bilateral agreements with Kampuchea as response to the Khmer interference in Thai affairs was the correct thing to do and quite in line with international practice. Nations recall their Ambassadors all the time as a first step in retaliation to what is seen as an attack on the country’s interests, or attack on a basic cherished institution, which is what the Cambodian government did when it loudly degraded the Thai justice system. Normally, such recall is a first step to further measures, subject to the other side’s response which should be forthcoming very soon.  The response will be a violent one, at least verbally, as is the Cambodian diplomatic style. Hun Sen who has been reared by war knows very well how to use violence and bluster for political gain, and a clash with Thais will strengthen his domestic political position vis a vis the opposition. He can only gain in the short run by boldly breaking diplomatic protocol in coming out to side with Thaksin, perhaps even financially. His style is reminiscent of Khrushchev, Hitler, and Sihanouk back in the 50s when he successfully infuriated both Thailand and Vietnam.

 

The big concern is the huge number of Cambodian illegal and registered migrant workers here. They can be a fifth column in times of tension and clashes. Border clashes and shelling are highly possible, including physical attacks on Thai interests in Cambodia. But Apsit’s choices are very limited, and to stand idly by and do nothing in the face of what is clearly a calculated provocation risks undermining his domestic political standing, as well as his stature abroad. But the whole saga is in a way a political windfall for the Democrats and a political disaster for Thaksin, if the Apisit team plays its cards correctly. I need not spell out how, and if the government doesn’t understand this window of opportunity, it better hand over the reins of government to someone else.

 

The Thais will probably remain cool and respond in a measured and escalated way, proportionate to what the Cambodians are going to do. The whole world is watching, and if Apisit makes a mistake --being too soft or being too harsh--then it will derail the economic recovery, which is progressing well by all indicators. The Cambodians are shrewdly aiming for such derailment and they’ll be using military means judiciously, as they have a lot of experience gained from their internal wars.

 

So Thais had better prepare well, accumulating ammunition and weapons.  I remember emphasizing in these blogs on the need to prepare well in advance while the people sleep, as no one is going to help us gratuitously when push comes to shove. The rule is when your opposite number puts military pressure on you, you’ve got to be able—that is, have the means-- to respond in kind. If not, it emboldens the other side and he pushes for more. And if you can’t cope, then this means the fall of the government, which is what Hun Sen and Thaksin are aiming for by their provocative moves. It is also the case that winter and the dry summer are ideal conditions for military action—and political as well. So we are looking at a high tempo of activity in the coming months but I am confident that Apisit and his team, with the military’s support, can handle it. Also, the international community could be on his side, provided he handles Kampuchea with good judgment and sense. Unreasonable military attacks on Cambodia will be seized by Hun Sen to churn out tear-jerking propaganda to make political capital in the international community. But proportionate military response is quite acceptable to all.

 

This is of course just my personal prognosis.


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comment 22
stalingrad date : 08/11/2009 time : 17.15
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All Thais should make arrangements now to leave Cambodia at a moment's notice, if they don't want to leave immediately.

Of course, think carefully before taking anyone's advice.
comment 21
HA_HA date : 07/11/2009 time : 14.34

c9, ND you made me asked myself if i'm "sa-jai". i don't think so. i just not bother with Thaksin helping Cambodia with her economics. I don't think he should waste his knowledge and since Thailand doesn't want him and there're people who appreciate him, why not?

I think you too wouldn't let people who hate you dictate your life.

As for AV government reaction. I'm totally agree with wch-san no. 5 and mr. taurus8 in mr. Yoon's blog. AV is so incompatible. If i'm to be "sa-jai" it's more of about people who support him. Talk about AV trying to act like a big brother in this region in mr Taurus8's comment. Who does he think he is? He's just a pupput and every country know this. He may be able to survive in the country but outside i think people just treat him according to the protocol i don't think no country sincerely respect him. Even a cho-bann like me has no respect of him how can those leaders have?

Just good looking and speak good english are not enough. i told you once and tell you again i believe AV is no better than you. It's pure luck.


comment 20
Ian date : 07/11/2009 time : 10.26
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I was wondering what was missing in this blog, then I realised, Panya has omitted to make a sarcastic comment about me.
comment 19
happyjack date : 07/11/2009 time : 09.06

Ian,are you going by Bike.
comment 18
catch22 date : 07/11/2009 time : 08.45
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C14 - Not at all - it's a magnificent place - enjoy.
comment 17
stalingrad date : 07/11/2009 time : 08.36
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Dear all: thanks for your v useful inputs. I'll respond to them in good time.
comment 16
wch date : 07/11/2009 time : 06.21
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As the front page reported the cancellation of a pact on the natural gas bearing offshore shelf, I feel itchy to continue on my last blog - East Inner Seas. I dealt first the 'Middle Inner Sea' surrounded by China, Korea, Japan and Taiwan, and equally importantly US occupied Okinawa islets and I showed a radical view " If US is forced to leave Japan, they will occupy Okinawa permanently".
US might think someday they have to leave Japan (a de-americanization process) but only when can keep Okinawa along. US can give up Japan but not the Middle Inner Sea.
All naval forces of China, Korea, Japan, Russia, Taiwan must pass through for their next Naval force movement through the Inner Sea and the most effective position to encounter them is Okinawa as long as the expeditionary and integrated forces of US.

Such oceanic defense strategy seem not existent in Thailand. If Thailand make problem on the nonsensically-drawn EEZ zone, it is the formal invitation of such unchallengeable military forces in the zone. Say, now US, French energy companies are drilling the gas well there. They will despatch their invinciable naval forces to the zone by a good excuse "Protection of own people and property".
Cambodians are not short of wit.
They will give another drilling concession on the disputed line to China and Japan, or even the Britain. For the logistics support of the navies, they will install special zone, now onshore and enjoy second "Phuket" or "Pattaya". All British, American, French, Japanese, Chinese tourists throngs into Cambodia instead of Thailand where offer more 'unseen valuable treasures". They will feel more safe at where their own military station as if more American citizens visit Japan and Korea than Thailand.

Malaysia and Vietnam, even Singapore are indifferent from this issue ?. China think Cambodia is the most trustful link in this south Asia. If two countries are in dispute, they will more side Cambodia than Thailand.

Thailand must think this deeply. What Thailand must do right now is, to recover its trustfullness in international community. This point, shaky credential of Thailand is rarely spotted by Thai people.
(I will continue on the Inner Seas series, and deal in the South Inner Sea including the Gulf of Thailand).
comment 15
Plaadip date : 06/11/2009 time : 21.47

C14, Ian, I don't think so, if you fly there.
comment 14
Ian date : 06/11/2009 time : 21.42
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Will this bugger my planned trip to Angkor Wat this year?
comment 13
wch date : 06/11/2009 time : 21.33
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Evening news reported, Cambodian ambassador left Thailand,,,so what ???

Does Thailand arrest all the Cambodian workers and send them back ?.

Then, does Cambodia do the same on Thai workers there ? Who will lose more, I mean all those investments ?

What about this, AV order Thai troop to invade the southern under part of cliff ?

I think Cambodian soldiers will quickly occupy all the hill-foot district- 12 km inside of Sisaket, that they think belongs to the castle.
Cambodian soldiers hold the order of their supreme commander, " Shoot them ".

Then what will happen ?
comment 12
janus date : 06/11/2009 time : 19.50
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Time for the West to move in; by Jove we know how to deal with the likes of these .
Never would have happened without that damned war !
Oh to lose an Empire just because a few Jews were gassed and some Poles annexed!

Now look at the state of the world, India , Pakistan, Malaya, all acting like immature children!

I blame the Germans!
comment 11
Ian date : 06/11/2009 time : 19.43
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ND, 9. You are missing my point, perhaps purposely? I was not discussing Thaksin, I was talking about Kasit, he fired the opening shots in the war of words, Thaksin entered the picture much more recently.
comment 10
anthonyford date : 06/11/2009 time : 18.27
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The Truth is Freedom

The plot is working nicely for both Leaders, lots of distractions from the real issues such as rising poverty and unemployment levels in both countries.
comment 9
notdisappointed date : 06/11/2009 time : 16.40

Ian c1 & 8, AV had maintained an even disposition when hun sen on arrival at the ASEAN summit made his remarks concerning thaksin.

You may no be aware but hun sen is very aware that thaksin planned and financed a coup against hun sen a while back. But hun sen has apparently 'forgiven' thaksin. I wonder though if he has 'forgotten'.

hun sen has nothing to lose by making these overtures. It plays into his hands and it shows his people that he is a 'strongman'. What does he care for diplomatic niceties and the 'polity of nations'? He wins in which ever way the wind blows.

And all that you or catch and 55 can say is "Sa Jai" - Thailand and her people 'deserves' this slap in the face.

It's alright as long as AV is belittled it's it?
comment 8
Ian date : 06/11/2009 time : 15.16
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Stal, It seems to me that Abhisit slapped Hun Sen in the face when he appointed Kasit as Foreign Minister. Since then relations have slowly deteriorated and now Hun Sen has slapped Abhisit. So now we have a bitch fight brewing between two heads of State, does this not demonstrate how immature these two leaders are?
comment 7
xena date : 06/11/2009 time : 10.13
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Stal,
A very good and appropriate post. I am never good in politics so cannot add any comments but would follow the arguments presented here.
comment 6
stalingrad date : 06/11/2009 time : 09.41
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Ian c.1 : hard for him not to do anything: it's a domestic political imperative. Besides, most countires would do the same if challenged like this, especially with a long history of tension and resentment. The big complicating factor is the Cambodian migrant workers here.

wch c.5: good deep analysis, though I don't agree with the last two para. I would like to know more about Thaksin and Hun Sen collusion on the rich resources in the disputed areas in the sea. The Khao Praviharn area is in my view a sideshow, if you compare in terms of economic value (not to say 4.5 sq.kilometres is not worthy-- all territory is worthy in some ways as the Falklands show). All I hear are rumours about horse trading, and Hun Sen's foreign bank accounts bulging of late. Any info on this?
comment 5
wch date : 06/11/2009 time : 08.42
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Retrospecting Cambodian history of the last 2000 years since their forefather Kampu founded its first kingdom at Oc Eo in Mekong delta, that turned later to be Funan empire, Chenla and Angkorean empire, the most misfortunate thing of the Campu's descendants is to have Thais in their neighbor.

Anti-Thaksin powers and classes of Thailand again gain much due to Hun Sen's show. They consolidate the most powerful, ultra-plutocratic society. Thaksin is a descentant of the ultra-democratic, christian independence movement in China land that Han people call 'Taiping Rebellion'.
They almost grabbed the Beijing capital power of alien Manchurian dynasty (Chine dynasty) but because of corrupted British power, they lost the war. Thaksin blood flows same.

Anyone know ?, that Hun Sen is a handicapped man, from heavy injury of rifle shot, the rifle supplied from Thai side.

Economically, Cambodia does not need Thailand. The aid pledges of China, Japan and Korea are enough. US seeks for a military base in Cambodia.
China wanted high speed railway through Laos to Cambodian Sihanuke Ville, the strategic port and natural gas landing beach.
Vietnamese and Chinese consumers inundated Cambodia. Korea movies are big hit in evening golden time. If they can not sell electricity by natural gas, they can build higher tech oriented engineering plastics factories that attracts backlagged Asean market. Cambodia can build second Singapore oil refining planst and retail storage depot. Cambodia just started modernest IT system by help of Korea. They lay both wire and wireless infrastructure that is very necessary to accomodate high tech 4G and 5 G era. This is totally missed in Thailand.

Thaksin has not been in Cambodia but Thailand demand (bully) "to keep interstate pact of criminal extradition". This is the nonsense that always Thai people commit.
Just with a joke-worthy comment of 'adviser', such impulsive reaction - calling back embassador is beyond a laughing stuff. This is Thailand and Thai people. Americans experienced the same during such depressed moment, defeat in Vietnam. When exhausted GI arrived in Thailand, they were driven away by Thai military. He was unfortunately Gen Prem. (Anyone asks him if he ever travelled US after it).

The real problem of Thailand is the infancy of diplomacy. This is not the times of Chakri the fourth and the fifth. If UN UNESCO decided, they must honour it while pursuading some correction (Prea Vihar case). How come sending military occupying the land ?. Do they think the military solution can solve the problem ?. I think it rather call in super powers siding Cambodia. This might be the goal of Hun Sen. US will come out "Withdrawn Thai force with 24 hours or," They will quickly move Pacific 7th fleet and station at Sihanouke ville permanently. US has problem to keep their force in Okinawa now. When a baby cries, soothe it, not kick.
comment 4
Plaadip date : 05/11/2009 time : 22.23

I think it's enough for now.
comment 3
Ian date : 05/11/2009 time : 22.10
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peacefulness, my profound apologies, I forgot that when not typing obscenities you are the blog expert on Thai politics.
Do please enlighten this very ignorant Farang.
comment 2
peacefulness date : 05/11/2009 time : 19.53
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comment 1 ---- if you do not know anything about thai politics pls backoff. tks
comment 1
Ian date : 05/11/2009 time : 18.58
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And none of this would be necessary if Abhasit had simply maintained a dignified silence. Instead he has over reacted and fallen into Hun Sen's trap.
There is an inevitability about your predictions that I find very sad.
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