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Sunday , September 27 , 2009
A way out?
Posted by stalingrad , Reader : 538 , 11:58:46  
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This is adapted from an earlier piece, now buried in the archives, with additions, update. Question is do you agree?

 

The Police chief issue could turn out to be a compromise, a third candidate. Or an acting chief could remain acting for a while, while talks are going on and Apisit softens up some parties. He either gets his way, but that creates another kind of problem, which may be more or less severe. Or, he compromises -- a tactic which is the Democrat Party’s (not Apisit’s) forte--and chooses a second best candidate that could be his eyes and ears and protect his back. On his return, Apisit’s position will harden, for certain reasons, so whatever choice he makes, it won’t be a police chief from the other side. The significance of the new police chief lies in not only in the progress or lack thereof of internal reform, but also political intelligence and subversion. So the stakes are high, more than at any time in police history. Any other problems which mortals cannot touch upon will be sorted out by deities. Looking at history, deities have intervened many times to shed light at the end of the tunnel, by working through humans.

 

October is a crucial month, and could be a turning point. But I don’t foresee a repeat of April violence. If  it happens, Thaksin stands to lose a lot because last April’s violence was seen to be conceived by him; indeed I understand a court summons or an arrest warrant has been issued for his role (correct me if I’m wrong). So he has an interest in preventing a repeat. Even is he stays clear of any October violence, shrieking that he had no role in it, few would believe him. And in any case it will be turned into prime capital by his opponents, just like the cancer affair. Peaceful tactics are more in line with the atonement process going on among the reds, while parliamentary action (to change the constitution, weaning the Pua Thai away etc.) can be ramped up with little risk.

 

And very unlikely that a coup will happen, because a cleverly staged de facto coup, fine-tuned for the globalization era, has already happened. And from now on, the government will be on a cold war path and resolve this Thaksin problem once and for all, meaning Thaksin if he wants to salvage himself might have to exit politics for a while and maybe become a monk. That’s an available strategy. Note politicians have chosen this route for obvious reasons. Whether it’s a sincere move is another matter. But politically, it’s equivalent to a truce. Thaksin cannot hope to win because he has angered certain supreme spiritual beings by his accumulated past conduct. Ask around for examples. To be able to win is an illusion, but cosmopolitans and materialists like him, shorn of mysticism, can’t understand this. Looking into a crystal ball, he doesn't have that much room for maneuver, given the quality of the company he keeps. And the balance of power is turning if ever so slightly against him. Even his fifth columnists in high places are being subject to a gentle witch hunt.  Monkhood is a traditional way out.  For his followers to engineer a Khomeni or MacArthur type of return or even a three Kingdoms type of strategy (as in old China) creates big and large scale problems of its own. Not worth it for anybody.


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comment 26
notdisappointed date : 01/10/2009 time : 19.25


GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY

GUILTY - thaksin of democratic tyranny: deposed from office.
GUILTY - thaksin for malfeasance in land deal: convicted fugitive on the run.
GUILTY - Da Torpedo: sentenced to 18 years for LM.
GUILTY - samak and noppadon for giving away Thai sovereign territory: awaiting trial by Supreme Court.
GUILTY - vorathep, somchainuk, and chaiwat for good intentions that was against the law: sentenced to two years in jail (on probation).
GUILTY - thaksin for ordering his subordinates to perform a good deed against the law.

GUILTY - thaksin shinawatra for thinking and acting that a 'majority' signifies that one is above the law.

And there are more verdicts waiting for judgment.
comment 25
stalingrad date : 30/09/2009 time : 08.52
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On Noppadol, you have also got to read the decisions of the Constitutional and Administrative Court on the memorandum of understanding signed by Noppadol on behalf on Thailand, which shows the flagrant wrong doings of Noppadol and Samak. Note at that time of the memo, there was an election going on in Kampuchea and Samak according to the Constitutional Court wanted to give Hun Sen a boost in the election and so asked Noppadol to help Hun Sen by signing the memo which favoured the Cambodian side in that the attached map was the Cambodian version. See the meticulous facts assembled by the court to back up this assessment. Why did Samak do this ? Samak doesn't have the intelligence to know the implications of his act, maybe his brain was damaged by his sickness then, or maybe he knew but didn't care. But it has been speculated that he was ordered by more powerful figures that had an interest in Hun Sen's electoral victory.

In fact, the Counter Corruption Committee technically was too kind in its decision in absolving the cabinet, as it stated that the cabinet didn't have the motive to intentionally do wrong. But certainly the cabinet was an accomplice, because it agreed with Samak and Noppadol and it can't claim innocence. It was delirect in its duty for not asking searchingly or objected about such an important issue involving a risk in losing sovereignty over Thai territory. The people hired them to deliberate and judge. Their thunderous silence is recorded in the cabinet meeting records.

It seems the Poh Poh Choh did consider the implications of deciding the whole cabinet was an accomplice. It was a very lenient judgement. And you have to ask why so.

Let's see if Noppadol gives a press conference or just a press note today. If he does just the latter, then it means he doesn't dare to face the questioning?
comment 24
stalingrad date : 29/09/2009 time : 23.39
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ND c.22: Nopadol brought this predicament on to himself, as whilst working as FM he protected more the interest of his master than the national interest, the same with his successor, whose only achievement during his term of office was to delay the cancelling Thaksin's red diplomatic passport.

Now Nopadol is paying for what he's done; he shouldn't have accepted the FM position in the first place as he has no diplomatic or international relations knowledge and experience. His going off on a tangent in the Phra Viharn affair has raised extreme distrust as to his motives, and he now is forced to answer publically the Commission's meticulously prepared accusation.
comment 23
stalingrad date : 29/09/2009 time : 22.29
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Ian c.21: Indeed, Thailand has had a bad press, internationally. But that is normal as the press cannot be expected or relied upon for accuracy in foreign affairs reporting. That's why governments rely only marginally on correspondents when making policy. If they believe what the likes of Jonathan Head or the mysterious " your correspondent" of the Economist reported on or assessed Thai politics, they would have let Thaksin in and allowed him to set up a government in exile a long time ago. They know or should know that publications and some journalists have hidden agendas or are subject to the disease of ideology or the one-track mind syndrome.

As for the foreign public, or the public in general, misinformation and ignorance is always a destabilizing element and can work against their own interests. Remember, at the start of WW1, the public in Europe widely cheered their troops on, saying they'd be home by Christmas. Nowadays, politicians know the value of people's ignorance on situations far away from home, and can manipulate them easily, given the globalization of the media, and especially if they have the money.
comment 22
notdisappointed date : 29/09/2009 time : 19.06


Right Ian, so it seems I'm talking to myself since you choose what you wish to answer and what you wish to ignore. This is no way to haqve a conversation, when you don't respond to remarks by the person you're conversing with.

Stal, good news!! The NCCC have reaffirmed the Constitutional Court's verdict that the Joint Communique was illegal and not done in good intent. That noppadon snuck it in for approval by the cabinet of the time and samak allowed it into the agenda have made them both guilty of malfeasance. Therefore they will have to be charged by the Court for Political Office holders and receive their well-deserved peanlty of prision time. noppadon will be able to serve time on behalf of his master thaksin since he signed the Joint Communique which allowed the Khmers to register Phra Viharn as a historical site. But he also used the erroneously map which also 'allowed' the 4.6 sq Km to be 'considered' a disputed territory.

I hope noppadon receives all that he deserves

Too bad about samak though; just adding salt to his cancer. The man is dying slowly.
comment 21
Ian date : 29/09/2009 time : 09.34
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Janus, 13. As you profess to be Thai by adoption I absolve you from the "we" or any Western ideas.
Incidentally it seems you are unaware of the plural form of "I", it is a collective pronoun for a group to which the writer belongs.

ND, your comment 15 answers your comment 14.

However, whilst expediency controls government policies, populations often see things differently, it is this second group that I refer to. Western governments may go through the surface acts of acceptance, but Thailand is increasingly the subject of "bad press" and ridicule in the media and popular thought.
comment 20
notdisappointed date : 29/09/2009 time : 03.03

c17, a figure of speech. It does show that our judiciary are on the ball and protecting us from the least desirable politicians.
comment 19
janus date : 28/09/2009 time : 21.13
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In my comment 17
I prefer do to does.
Linguists correct me.
comment 18
stalingrad date : 28/09/2009 time : 20.57
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The western (and other capitalist or almost capitalist states) governments have very good political intelligence on Thailand which they share among them--not all of course. They know more than we think. Their calculation is that it's more to their interest to do business with a Democrat government than a returned Thaksin one, which would lead to further instability here to no end. And these countries fear political instability most of all, especially in Thailand being placed strategically and all that. They want a smooth transition in the coming difficult months and years and they have seen Apisit in the flesh and want to build him up, not as their stooge, but as their partner, acknowledging his weak points.

In the months to come, the progressive countries will interverne more behind the scenes using "soft power" to manage political stability. Thaksin is out of their radar, because he is seen as a destabilizing factor. And all his minions' claims that the country cannot do without Thaksin doesn't ring true at all, because economic management under Apisit is not bad, given the crisis context he has had to work with.

The interested countries have asked the question is Thaksin good for us, and have answered it. Thus, the USAID aid package to develop democracy, plus other confidence builiding measures that we will see soon.

Besides, there is now a global trend toward getting rid of corrupt leaders, except in the Middle East where the leaders are tolerated by the West because of the oil factor. Which means that any corrupt leader should have an air ticket and his stash of cash ready for a country in the Middle East, in the event he has to scoot. Visas to the UK, Canada, and the like is just not on.
comment 17
janus date : 28/09/2009 time : 20.57
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comment 16

Heads never roll!
4000 baht fine and suspended sentence!

Who do have to pay fines and serve gaol terms?
comment 16
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 19.26

Sheesh. I keep forgetting. That's now two ex-thaksin sycophnats who have been adjudged guilty and sentenced to prison and fined for assets concealment.

Tomorrow; we will see the fruition of the NCCC's case against the samak government with regard to the Phra Viharn Communique. Heads will roll!
comment 15
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 19.24

Oh Ian? Most governments' policies are based on expediency in general, and not just specifically towards Thailand.
comment 14
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 19.21

Ian, still doesn't answer or address my point that no matter how much you think that your thoughts reflects the western thinking; it's the governments of these western countries who have decided to accept. acknowledge, and therefore legitimize AV's democratic government. And they do not refute that Thailand does have democracy.

So in your understanding of the western mind; if thaksin were to set foot in the States or England that he will be allowed in to visit? Has he or will he go to Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Norway and et al? I wonder what your like-minded western minds there would do; welcome him with open arms?

Has he since gone to China? Countries with a surfeit of democratic principles and ideals have welcomed him and his money, even to letting him 'buy' an island and investing in a diamond mine! And perhaps to allowing him to build a casino or act as agent for drilling rights.

C'mon, Ian, don't be in denial, take off your blinders and just admit that thkasin is and will always be a divisive influence in Thailand and that the reds are without credibility as long as he is organizing, funding, leading, and giving them his own self-serving idealism couched in illusions and lies.
comment 13
janus date : 28/09/2009 time : 18.52
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comment 10
You seem to be using the Royal WE!
Your opinion, not mine.
comment 12
Ian date : 28/09/2009 time : 18.47
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ND, 11. We will have to wait and see then, who understands the western mind best, you or me. Who are the opinion shapers in Western society?
Further, don't confuse popular opinion with apparent government thinking based on expediency.
comment 11
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 18.28

stal c9, the 'plan' was written for use after the ouster of thaksin and the inception of 3ps it almost worked but sadly the 3ps party was disbanded and executives banned from politics.

Ian c10 how right you are. The West will wait and see. They know better than you the intricacies of Thai politics and the (although denied by you) depth of thaksin's machinations in the divisiveness in Thailand. They are smart enough to not allow thaksin into their countries and if he were to enter I think they'd be 'sophisticated' enough to arrest him and extradite him to Thailand. The West's 'sophistication' lies in their 'intellience' findings and reports.

I think they may know a litle better than you and have a better understanding of the state of play in Thailand. They will not rock the boat; AV is legally and democratically Thailand's PM; according to the Constitution and parliamentary regulations.

No Western nation or any nation in the world refutes that. So live with it.
comment 10
Ian date : 28/09/2009 time : 11.13
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ND, 6. The West is more sophisticated, we are used to sweet talkers, we have a surfeit of them. We are more impressed by actions, something Abhisit seems to lack.
comment 9
stalingrad date : 28/09/2009 time : 08.48
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nd, moby: reading the plan again, no. 5 is where intensive activity is taking place, especially with the judicial branch. If you recall, the 2 million Baht in a lawyer's bag indicates the potentialities for this track, for that lawyer would not have tried if he didn't see successful precedents. And BTW, the police decided not to press corruption charges due to lack of evidence on motives. That he went to jail for 6 months was I think due to contempt of court charges.

This episode also shows some elements in the police to be in somebody's pocket.

So I agree that strategy 5 would be pursued as it bears much fruit and costs less. Also, you can never pin it down to the man/woman ordering the transaction. It takes an expert on criminology and law to design how best to do it.

Corruption in Thailand is very sophisticated. An army of Ph.D.s and other graduates in corruption are required. Maybe 10,000 are needed if we want to wipe most of it out. The cost of training such numbers is worth it in terms of public money saved. After all, we see it fit to raise an army to fight an enemy, and isn't corruption an enemy too?
comment 8
expresso date : 28/09/2009 time : 01.29
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I believe K. Aphisit had brought high regard to Thailand in his addresses.
comment 7
expresso date : 28/09/2009 time : 01.28
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I believe so, ND. How awe it is to see farangs denigrating Aphisit's government when some of them had even said themselves that they couldn't see anyone else except Aphisit to lead at the present time.
comment 6
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 01.16

Welcome back PM Abhisit.

You did good representing the Kingdom and ASEAN.

Your democratic pragmatic approach will see results over time.
comment 5
stalingrad date : 28/09/2009 time : 01.00
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Moby and nd: thanks for the article, which I've seen somewhere, but I don't agree with the plot as it seems too ambitious, more like a dream. Might be the fertile imagination of some ISOC staff. Or maybe true as a blueprint, waiting for some finance to see it through. If you recall, the CPT was in arrears when China withdrew its support as it changed strategy, thus making Order 66/23 easier to implement.
comment 4
notdisappointed date : 28/09/2009 time : 00.29

Moby, thanks for the original version. I sure stal can read it since he is Thai.

Hap, so what's Moby's problem again? Sorry, I couldn't decipher your comments.
comment 3
happyjack date : 27/09/2009 time : 19.49

Moby Dick, its piss poor Thai,and its coppied.Were not all Dumb Ferangs
comment 2
Mobydick date : 27/09/2009 time : 16.46

This is the original version.Can K.Stalingrad read this?
การจัดกระบวนยุทธ์ ใช้ 2 ทัพ 3 แนวรบ 5 สมรภูมิ โดย 2 ทัพแบ่งเป็น “ทัพเทพ” โดยมี พ.ต.ท.ทักษิณ ชินวัตร เป็นศูนย์กลาง ประกาศไม่ยุ่งการเมือง เอาแต่เดินสายทำบุญ ช่วยคนจน สนับสนุนการกีฬา แต่อีกด้านหนึ่งก็ใช้ “ทัพถ่อย”เพื่อเผชิญหน้าและกดดันฝ่ายพันธมิตรฯ
3 แนวรบคือ แนวรบในการแก้รัฐธรรมนูญ แนวรบเปิดสงครามเผชิญหน้ากับพันธมิตรประชาชนเพื่อประชาธิปไตยแบบตาต่อตาฟันต่อฟัน และแนวรบสุดท้ายคือการยึดพื้นที่ของฝ่ายบริหารเดิม กุมกลไกอำนาจรัฐ เตรียมพร้อมสำหรับการเลือกตั้งใหม่
ส่วน 5 สมรภูมิ แบ่งเป็น 1.สมรภูมิสภาผู้แทนราษฎร ให้ฝ่ายนิติบัญญัติเป็นทัพหน้า ฝ่ายบริหารเป็นกองหนุน 2.สมรภูมิสนามหลวง ให้ม็อบถ่อยเป็นทัพหน้า ฝ่ายบริหารเป็นกองหนุน มีบ้านจันทร์ส่องหล้าบัญชาการ
นอกจากนี้ยังมี 3.สมรภูมิใต้ดิน มุ่งเป้าไปที่ 2 ป. คือ เปรม และ ปีย์ และระบอบอมาตยาธิปไตย เผยแพร่ข่าวที่เป็นผลลบต่อสถาบัน เผยแพร่แนวความคิดอุดมการณ์ใหม่ซึ่งเอื้อต่อการกุมอำนาจระยะยาว 4.สมรภูมิสื่อช่วงชิงพื้นที่ข่าว เผยแพร่แนวคิดและสร้างภาพลักษณ์ และ 5.สมรภูมิอำนาจบริหาร โยกย้ายเอาผิดข้าราชการที่ไม่เห็นด้วย ทั้งหมดเป็นยุทธศาสตร์และเห็นเป็นปรากฏที่เกิดขึ้นอย่างเปิดเผย
comment 1
notdisappointed date : 27/09/2009 time : 15.04

Stal, that was an 'interesting' read. I can only add that upon his return tonight, AV will have to see whether the 'deities' still show favor for either of Prateep or Jumphol. Only tihs way will the choice and selection for the next Police Chief go smoothly. Apparently Nipon Promphan was the human who was, since he beginning, intervened with to favor Jumphol. That is what has created the dead log in the selection. Icarus must be careful of flying too high for fear of falling to earth.

As to thaksin and his many endeavors to return a hero and resurrect his thaksinocracy. And although it is an old article it shows the depth of planning and integration of the various segments of support that thaksin has under his control.

It would give me great pleasure to translate an article that alleges, in detail, an insidious attempt by thaksin and his Luke Krogs to undermine the country’s Constitution, way of governance, as well as our Monarchy. It would give those unable to read Thai like to understand the depths of their (thaksin and Luke Krogs) evil manipulations to turn our country into a republic with them as the new fascist elites. However I won’t try to replicate word for word but provide a translation that will give all of you the chance to make your own judgments as to whether these traitors to the country can be trusted or not or whether they should be allowed to live. Enjoy.

The strategy to undermine Thailand’s Constitutional Monarchy is as follows:

“The strategy is broken down into “two (2) divisions”, “3 (three) offensive units”, and “5 (five) battlefields. The two divisions are: angel division with thaksin as its center announcing that he will not be involved with politics, make religious pilgrimages, help the poor, support sports activities and the other hand the “crude division” (reds) will be ‘in the faces’ and attack the alliance against dictatorship (PAD)”

The three offensive units are: one unit to amend the Constitution; a unit to fight PAD in every way, with an eye for an eye and a tooth for tooth mentality; and a unit to take control over every aspect of bureaucracy to use governmental mechanism to fight and undermine opposition.

The five battlefields include:
1. House of Representatives with 3ps MPs in the lead supported by 3ps government;
2. (take control of) Sanam Luang, with the “Crude Division” being the fighting division, supported by 3ps government with Bharn Chun Song La being the Command Center.

Not only this, but there are three “underground” battlefields:
3. attack two Ps ie. Prem and Piya as well as “Sovereign power” by dissemination of a smear campaign of negative reports and news with respect to Royalty and the dissemination of a new ‘idealism’ to enable the control of power in the longer term;
4. media battlefield for propaganda purposes; and
5. governmental battlefield which concerns putting only those bureaucrats who support thasinocracy into powerful positions while transferring and penalizing those bureaucrats who don’t support thaksinocracy.”

Now that his ‘overt’ strategy cannot be fulfilled by his 3ps and puea thai, and that Black Songkran was a fiasco thaksin must go ‘covert’. But I think that his intentions are still selfish and focused towards creating instability and divisiveness.
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