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Thursday , June 5 , 2008
Top tips on getting more Thai people jobs overseas
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PasaNINJA’s recent blog about medical tourism highlights the fact that Thailand is attractive to foreigners because of high levels of care and customer service by Thai nurses.  In a sense, it is the same reason that so many regular tourists come to Thailand. Borikarn pen kan eng.  Or service with a smile.  It’s what Thailand and Thai people do exceptionally well.

 

And this standard of care and attention to customers needs is a very exportable skill. One would think that more Thai people in the service industries could work overseas in particular in the nursing, hotel and leisure and health and beauty sectors.    Although its economy is more fragile the Philippines for example is far more successful than Thailand in exporting workers in the service industries. Not only maids. But also nurses, singers, hotel workers, beauticians and spa workers.  I.e. sectors where Thai people are particularly skilled and where foreign countries may experience a shortage of domestic workers to fill the same roles.

 

But the reality is that the vast majority of diaspora Thais do not fall into these sectors.  They are either established families who have had a western education and settled abroad into western style lives and careers, in particular in business, banking, medicine and law, and also of course Thai restaurateurs, or they are the unfortunate victims of people trafficking who end up on the news headlines for all the wrong reasons.

 

Lots of Thai people say that they would love to go and work abroad.  It would be good for Thailand’s current account and moreover good for Thai families back home benefiting from the remittances of their overseas relatives.  And certainly Thailand has been making progress in some niche sectors.  But overall Thailand seems to lag behind its larger ASEAN neighbours.  There appear to be two major stumbling blocks.

 

Foreign language ability

 

Lots of Thai bloggers on this site have commented to the effect ‘why should we have to learn English’.  Well I guess that is a fair enough point.  When in Rome and all.  Foreign language learning is a major growth sector in Thailand.  But it remains clear, certainly for English language, that most Thais lag some considerable way behind their Singaporean, Malaysian, Filipino and even Cambodian counterparts.  I sense that the same could probably be said of other languages too. 

 

When I visited a High Dependancy Hospital ward in the UK earlier this year, many of the nurses were Filipino and doctors were Malay.  Their qualifications and skills were excellent, but as importantly, they spoke fluent English. Why are so many hotel singers in Thailand Filipinos?  It isn’t because they are better singers, because they are not.  It’s because they can sing well in English.

 

OK if Thai people have no desire to work any where other than Thailand, of course.  But if they want to work overseas then it will be a major obstacle.  Certainly for the UK, US, Australia and New Zealand.  But also for major European and Asian countries including Germany, France, Sweden, China and Japan. 

 

If more Thai people in the service sectors could speak foreign languages to a high standard, there would be significant opportunities for them to gain employment abroad.  Thailand’s relative weakness on foreign languages is a major block on a wealth of employment and wealth generation opportunities, of that I am sure.

 

Getting your documentation all correct

 

Another critical problem that I perceive is that, while so many Thai workers have excellent skills and qualifications, they do not always have sufficient documentation to enable them to gain permission to work abroad.

 

Just finding an employer willing to offer a job in a foreign country is not enough.  Many countries’ Governments will expect foreign workers to prove that they have several years relevant working experience (for example, at least 3 years for the UK) and that they have qualifications up to a pre-defined standard, before being prepared to issue a work permit.  This requires both original certificates from legitimate schools and training institutions. 

 

And as importantly, it requires work reference letters from previous places of employment.  Certainly for Thailand, many employers appear unwilling to issue employment reference letters, possibly because they do not want to lose good staff to other employers.  But in fact this employment practice is very unfair towards the employee.   Because a Thai person might have excellent experience and great qualifications, but be unable to take up legitimate work opportunities because they cannot obtain an employment reference letter for the purposes of applying for a work permit in a foreign country.  This difficulty in providing, genuine and original documentation is more difficult to overcome than a basic lack of language skills. 

 

If Thailand were able to up its game on foreign language learning and make it easier for employees to obtain valid documents of employment, many many more Thai people would have opportunities to work abroad than now.

 

Other blogs by me

Helping farangs to speak better Thai.

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2008/02/23/entry-1

Tourism Thai: much more than meets the eye.

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/11/29/entry-1

Delicious Thai food in Southampton?? YES!

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/10/16/entry-1

Why are Thai girls cuter than Farang girls?

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/12/28/entry-2

A good English teacher should be able to speak Thai, nair norn!

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/11/20/entry-1

If you want to speak Thai, then read Thai!

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/11/18/entry-1


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comment 31
PasaNINJA2499 date : 13/06/2008 time : 17.49
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Keep walking forward. Don't give up. Don't fed up.

PJ..
comment 30
Poomjai date : 13/06/2008 time : 05.17
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Pasa,

You are most welcome na. I really enjoy your blogs so I hope you keep on inspiring me with other subjects.
comment 29
PasaNINJA2499 date : 12/06/2008 time : 22.37
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Keep walking forward. Don't give up. Don't fed up.

PJ...>> one vote for best article!
p.s. PJ, you start this blog with pasaNINJA...
you know,i was surprised!thanks for promot my blog...hehehe
comment 28
Ebaytips date : 11/06/2008 time : 00.42
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It's O.K.
comment 27
PasaNINJA2499 date : 09/06/2008 time : 22.50
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Keep walking forward. Don't give up. Don't fed up.

PJ, I clearly understand your aim. I ever think going work abroad as well. The reason? Like you mentioned, money is, also to improve my English speaking skill. But then…… as you said going aboard is hard for Thai labor. And….. may be my reason is not reasonable. I love my family…my country. And living hundreds miles far from home would make me feel very lonely….so I gave up and work here, BKK and try to do best on the service for my customers worldwide…..
May I help you please, sir?
comment 26
MJDP date : 07/06/2008 time : 18.40
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MJDP

Sorry I meant the taxi driver in Paris.
comment 25
MJDP date : 07/06/2008 time : 18.37
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MJDP

The french taxi driver are notorious and obnoxious.. I often wondering why ?
comment 24
Ian date : 07/06/2008 time : 18.01
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Pomjuk, did you get confused with "tennez droit"? That throws many tourists, they think it means "take a right".
comment 23
Pomjuk date : 07/06/2008 time : 17.02
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are*
comment 22
Pomjuk date : 07/06/2008 time : 16.58
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The Spanish speaking world is as big as the English speaking, so typical Spanish were just as bad as the typical Americans because they have no need to learn any other language.

Some French were the just pain in the butt asking them direction in English they answered it in French, lucky thing I learnt some French words before I went there so I just acted like I spoke French. Droit et gauche? Merci!
comment 21
Lalida date : 07/06/2008 time : 16.46
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Thanks Ian for the explanation but I do find english expression funny at times such as you mentioned "Brain drain", sounds to me the brain desolved and drain out of the head.

Even some english name it's funny to me when they call themselves hammer and Nail.
comment 20
Lalida date : 07/06/2008 time : 16.41
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PJ,

I think in Majority of this generartion, many Thais wants to learn english as their second tounge as you can see the new comers in this blog site and the amount of English teacher being able to get a job teaching english here in Thailand and I care assure you most of them do understand English is a international language that they can make use of.

I think the main issue and problem is not want or don't want but rather they can afford it or not.
comment 19
Ian date : 07/06/2008 time : 16.08
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Don't know about Tower Hamlets, probably Punjabi there. But in my immediate area (Mole valley and Guildford) I know of 3 state schools offering Chinese, probably more. St John's, a private school in Leatherhead seems to have mainly Chinese pupils, just to balance things
comment 18
Poomjai date : 07/06/2008 time : 14.23
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DKO,

Your first two paras are absolutely right. Brits and Americans are more likely to complain that the locals don't speak English when they venture abroad, which is bad really. I have personally always enjoyed languages so find this mind set difficult to understand.

I never knew that about Spain! (not often I learn something new on the Nation Web-blog site!) I must admit that of all the foriegn tourists I met in Bangkok I never came across a Spaniard - now I know why!

Ian,

Hard to imagine kids practicing their ni haos in Tower Hamlets!
comment 17
Ian date : 07/06/2008 time : 11.22
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DKO, I think part of the reason why the US and the UK are indifferent to learning foreign languages is partly economic. The British Empire and now the US hegemony dominated world trade and commerce for decades. So the unspoken concept arose, in both businessmen and tourists alike, "if you want our money... then learn our language"
As further support of this theory, many British schools are now offering Chinese as a second language.
comment 16
DKO date : 07/06/2008 time : 07.41
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I think the reason Native English speakers are in general so bad at learning foreign languages is mostly down to attitude and perception.

There are so many major (not all) countries that speak English as a primary language and so many that learn English as a first foreign language (AND take it seriously) that we are spoilt and in general lazy about learning foreign languages.

I remember about 4 year ago there was a Hong Kong Travel survey conducted. The 3 worst countries (by far) for learning other languages (or trying to ) were in order of worst first

1. US
2. UK
3. Spain

Good match (NOT) 2 and 3 with so many UK citizens living on the Costas of Spain as I did Two peoples who both feel the OTHER should speak their language. To be us honest us Brits got a little taste of our own medicine

The survey went on to explain Spanish people as high as 70% never go on holiday outside Spain. Maybe its because they already have the Sun, Sea, Scenery and Snow (and the other S word in places like Ibiza to name one ) to cater for most holiday tastes.
comment 15
Poomjai date : 06/06/2008 time : 21.23
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MakubeX,

You make a very good point. And you are right (and I think my blog also agrees with you) that it is about choice or necessity. Many Thais really don't need to learn English. But there are still, I sense, significant numbers of Thais who say they would like to go and work abroad, particularly in the US/UK etc. However, they are often limited by poor language skills. It is not a criticism as such, simply an observation on my part.

And you are also right. English people are terrible at learning foreign languages - among the worst in the world.

Ian,

Bring back White Star lines!
comment 14
MakubeX date : 06/06/2008 time : 20.15
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Oui, il y a un nombre de Thais qui peut parler francais et 也会说汉语!

The standards of the French displayed in some of the competitions I've been to puts mine to shame sometimes - I don't use it all that much, except to read some articles and documents.

Anyway, I think people are expecting too much for Thais to be able to speak English or any other foreign language for that matter. After all, the English (or any other nation with a better education system for that matter) aren't generally known for being the best at acquiring a second foreign language. If it's too much to ask of the English, shouldn't it be too much to ask of the Thais?

I suspect it's about choice and necessity - I didn't like certain "necessary" subjects (which turned out to be quite unnecessary in the end) being shoved down my throat when I was in school, and I think for some people it's the same with languages, particularly when their usefulness is not immediate.

Hardening immigration policies don't tend to help matters either.
comment 13
Ian date : 06/06/2008 time : 19.28
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It occurs to me, just an idle thought, this could be the last chance for many people. it won't be the visa that is the problem, it will be the fare!. I have just paid 184 pounds fuel surcharge on my ticket to England. What is it going to cost when oil hits 200$ the barrel.? Are the days coming back when we take 3 weeks by boat?
comment 12
Poomjai date : 06/06/2008 time : 18.12
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Lalida,

You are right in many ways. The UK's colonial legacy in Malaysia, Singapore and India (we never occupied the Philippines) is relevant to why people in those countries speak such good English. They certainly have a big head start. But at the same time, British colonialism ended, to all intents and purposes, a generation ago. And it should be increasingly less relevant in the modern day age.

As I said in the blog, it doesn't matter in the big scheme of things whether Thais want to learn English or not. But, and as Pomjuk correctly points out, there are increasingly labour shortages in certain important sectors in the west which foreign workers with good English skills could fill. And indeed, sectors where foreign workers could provide new services that are unique to their individual countries, but which people in the west want to buy.

We can't escape the fact that English is an international language of commerce. Chinese is becoming so too, increasingly. However, the fact that China is still developing and already has an enormous work force will limit, to a certain extent, scope for foreigners to go and work there in service industries.
comment 11
Pomjuk date : 06/06/2008 time : 17.13
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With aging populations in the US, Europe, Japan a number of nurse shortage will be increasing as time progress. I don’t remember the exact number but to the best of my knowledge there will be 20% to 30% nurse shortage in the US alone in 2010. As we all know nursing, marketing, auto mechanic, plumbing are example of the careers those cannot be offshored.

India benefits a grate deal from globalization, most customer service helpdesk, loan analysis, financial statement analysis, graphic design and computer services in the US; are now provided by companies in India.
comment 10
Ian date : 06/06/2008 time : 14.33
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Lalida, in English there is no bad meaning intended when we say "exporting workers" , it is similar to saying "brain drain", we don't literally mean just the brain leaves the country. Try to explore the meanings of "journalese", these are standardised expressions made popular by the media, but with an inner depth of meaning understood by the native reader.
When PJ wrote this, I saw nothing wrong with it (even Earlsy did not object). The Philippines talks about its many overseas workers, the Germans call them 'geste arbiten' guest workers. There is no offense intended.
comment 9
Lalida date : 06/06/2008 time : 13.59
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PJ Ja,

I understand but you wrote "Exporting workers" and I presume "Workers" as in people not their skill. I'm sure there's a better word for it, not trying to argue with you but wanted to know whether there's a better word for it.

You People : Max uses the same word as you...only the skill you mentioned is different.

I don't know whether I'm right or not but it's seems a bit unfair when you compare the english ability of Thais against Singaporean, Malaysian, Phil.

Singapore and Malaysia are a Multi cultural country, you have all knds of people in there. They don't really have a language of their own, they mix with Hak Kar, Malay, English, Cantonese in one sentence and their everyday communication are in english. Phil was once a US military base......and was occupy by the spanish and Was it also once occupied by the English? Don't know much history, just briefly...
comment 8
Poomjai date : 06/06/2008 time : 12.24
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GG,

Thailand has a population of over 60 million.....
comment 7
GGrass date : 06/06/2008 time : 11.57
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And when all the good ones are 'exported', what do we have left?
comment 6
Ian date : 06/06/2008 time : 10.39
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PJ, I suspect at the embassy you had the services of better translators than "Joe Blogs" (is there a Thai equivalent of Joe Blogs?).
I have read several notarised translations, they are comparable to a Chinese instruction manual written in "English". They don't come cheap either.
comment 5
Poomjai date : 06/06/2008 time : 06.00
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Lalida,

No, it's the skill which is exportable, not the person as such. For example, every time someone goes to a Thai restaurant in the west they want to sample a product - delicious Thai food - that only Thai chefs can make well. Same way as people will pay to have good service at a Hotel or a relaxing Thai style massage at a spa. Thai people have a lot of skills that people in the west value and will pay for. So if they can go to work in the west they can use their skills to earn good wages etc.

By the way who is you people??

MakubeX,

Les Tailandese parlons Francais? Zut alors!
comment 4
Lalida date : 06/06/2008 time : 02.53
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PJ,

I don't really have anything to say about your Blog as I never intended to get a Job overseas but I do have one question though..

Question: Why do you people like to use "Export" when referring to human beings, they are not exactly commodities are they?
comment 3
Poomjai date : 06/06/2008 time : 00.39
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Ian,

That's a good point, thanks. I was actually just trying to re-inforce the message that if your employer won't give you a reference there is nothing (legally) you can do about it. But if your English is poor you can take steps to learn it (if you are so inclined). I have removed the offending text anyway as, looking at it again, it doesn't add anything.

As for the reference, well a reference written in Thai, so long as it is from a legitimate employer, is very useful.... so long as a notarised translation of it is made available!
comment 2
MakubeX date : 05/06/2008 time : 23.22
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The poor level of English is probably due to the fact that the system tries to get everyone to learn it; that puts some strain on the available resources.

However, in my experience, the Thais' language level in some of the more specialised languages (e.g. French or various dialects of Chinese) seems to be much higher than many of their European counterparts of the same age.
comment 1
Ian date : 05/06/2008 time : 22.17
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PJ, I was with you until I read this comment, " a basic lack of language skills (which can be addressed quite easily). "
I do not think it can be addressed easily, at least not with the present education system. Another factor is the cultural differences, having lived in both countries I can assure you that Filipinos and westerners are much closer in attitudes than Thais.
So whilst I agree with the thrust of your blog I feel you are overly optimistic. Incidentally, what use is a reference written in Thai?

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