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FRT - Farang Rak Thai
Humdrum musings on life in Thailand
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Sunday , May 11 , 2008
UPDATED: The social context of sex in Thailand
Posted by Poomjai , Reader : 2059 , 23:46:30  
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Khun Veen's blog threw up the interesting question of why so many women in Thailand do not enjoy good sex. Indeed I am sure that this is a phenomenon that women in most if not all countries will feel to a greater or lesser extent.  But the figure of 70% does appear to be high when compared with other countries (although I have not studied the report on which Khun Veen based her blog).   And so I would like to pose a thesis.  Does the social context of relationships and marriage create this phenomenon in Thailand?

It is my strong sense, and this is a sense rather than a judgement built on empirical evidence, that Thai people are generally more conservative in their attitudes towards sex than people in the west.  OK I know that many people will respond back straight away and say that more and more people in Thailand are breaking down the old cultural norms and engaging in pre-marital sex.  But one can say with some confidence that it is quite rare in the west for people to save themselves for marriage but comparatively more common for this to happen in Thailand.  And when pre-marital sex does take place in Thailand it is more likely to be in the context of a more serious relationship (although one night stands are becoming more common and of course the sex trade is very accessible for male Thais).

From one sweeping generalisation to another I might go on to suggest that a disproportionately higher percentage of Thai people enter marriage with relatively less sexual experience than their counterparts in the west.   Accordingly, they will have had less opportunity to explore the things that they like and do not like about sex with a partner and find ways to have sex which give them most sexual satisfaction. 

I have heard stories from friends of the relative inexperience of their friends or offspring going into the marital bed room on the first night.  I recall one friend in particular recounting how her son had told her that it had taken him several attempts and numerous days before he was able to find a fruitful coition with his new wife. 

Thai bloggers on this site have commented on how some Thai men prefer to focus on their own satisfaction rather than satisfying their female partner (although I am sure many men approach sex in this way too).  All in all one might say that pre-marital chastity and the self-satisfying copulation habits of men must militate against a good sexual experience for women in general.

But then one might add another ingredient to the mix: that upon marriage in Thailand there are often strong social and familial pressures around starting a family quickly. Perhaps more quickly than in the west.  I have known so many Thai couples who have had their first baby within the first 18 months of marriage and have noted as less common those couples who choose to wait before starting a family or indeed, who choose their career and lifestyle above making a family, in the west.  Whereas in the west my over-riding experience is of couples who stay together, and are sexually active, for long periods of time before contemplating starting a family. 

Whenever any couple is blessed with the joy of children (a joy which so far in my life has sadly eluded me) it must indeed be a precious and special moment, whether they are Thai or western.  But I ask you to imagine a couple that has had little sexual experience prior to their relationship or marriage starting and who start a family very quickly thereafter.  Might you agree with me that they will have had less time and less opportunity to explore their sexual desires together?  That sex for them might be more closely aligned with the process of pr0-creation, rather than simple enjoyment and the expression of sexual pleasures?

Perhaps at this point in time the social and cultural context of sex in Thailand is more heavily weighted in favour of committed married couples being together in the beloved hope of starting a family.  Sex is the means to an end rather than the end in itself.  That is changing and will continue to change over time as western influences continue to encroach on Thai social and cultural norms and mores. 

But I guess the question for the reader is whether it is better to have a western style relationship where sex is a commonly accepted orde du jour, but where the relationships (judging by divorce rates in the west) may not be as enduring, or to have a very conservative Thai style relationship where sex is more strictly regulated and closely bound with expectations around the family, but where the relationships, as a result, might endure longer.

I can well see why westerners look on traditional Thai relationships and find them strange and how Thai people must also look on their seemingly more sexually liberated farang counterparts and similarly judge them alien.  There is probably no right or wrong.  The social context of sex and the enjoyment that is derived from it, varies from society to society.

Other related blogs by me:

Why are Thai girls cuter than farang girls?

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/12/28/entry-2

Addicted to sex: a good excuse?

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2008/04/29/entry-1

Why can't pretty girls find good boyfriends?

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2008/03/21/entry-1

Thailand's neo-polygamy.  Conservative marraige with casual sex on the side!

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2008/02/15/entry-1

Thai trans-sexuals tastier than Totton trans-vestites!

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2008/01/09/entry-1

Cute Thai girls aren't like London buses.  But many farangs think they are.

http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/poomjai/2007/10/25/entry-1


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comment 30
LadonianAmbassadoUN date : 26/05/2008 time : 17.00

The Thai Government and their Satanic Games citizens Sophonpanich may have poisoned the elderly generations with excessive levels of Aluminium Sulphate in water, drinks and prepared foods. This can result in a Stroke (haemorrage or blood clot). It will thicken the blood cause dehydration and cause malfunctions within the brain. Perhaps someone thought this a covert and crude means to perform unsolicited euthanasia on the retired and elderly people of Thailand.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7119365.stm
Mrs Cross was referred to a neurologist in 2003 for repeated headaches, difficulties in finding words, doing simple sums and hallucinations.
comment 29
LadonianAmbassadoUN date : 26/05/2008 time : 16.52
Lee Kuan Yew's Wife

The Thai Government and their satanic Games citizens Sophonpanich may have poisoned the elderly generations with excessive levels of aluminium sulphate in water, drinks and prepared foods. This can result in a Stroke (haemorrage or blood clot). It will thicken the blood cause dehydration and cause malfunctions within the brain. Perhaps someone thought this a covert and crude means to perform unsolicited euthanasia on the retired and elderly people of Thailand.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7119365.stm
Mrs Cross was referred to a neurologist in 2003 for repeated headaches, difficulties in finding words, doing simple sums and hallucinations.
comment 28
Poomjai date : 17/05/2008 time : 00.33
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Obeyno1,

A very thoughtful and balanced comment, if I may say so.

As for your suggested blog title, I might suggest a rather more emphatic - Thailand offers the best shopping for shoes and handbags. Better is too hedged! Try it. Ticks all three boxes! I bet you will get a high number of views. Chork dee na khrap.


comment 27
naive date : 15/05/2008 time : 23.18
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Narrow and wide by "Naive" point of view. ...................................*v*....................................................................For Thai reader visit http://www.oknation.net/blog/wickedgirl

Shouldn't.. if people could resist!
comment 26
Obeyno1kinobe date : 15/05/2008 time : 12.48
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PJ, interesting thought.

I'm not sure if people who only have one sexual partner in life end up having a worse sex life than people who are more experienced with multiple partners prior to marriage.

Certainly, once you commit to monogamy, it is a challenge to keep things fresh. We are kind of going against our biological drives, and plain old boredom, on top of the impact of other relationship issues.

Prior to effective birth control, sex outside of marriage was a no no. Don't want lots of unsupported babies running around in society.

Nowadays, I actually think if people have some fun outside of marriage, they are less likely to have regrets or curiousity once they settle down.

Even with pre marital sex, a few longer term partners are better than 100's of one nighters in terms of developing sexually. Or perhaps a mix is ideal.

Sex when too young, or getting married too young, having kids too young, is not a good thing. How you define too young is subjective too.

But a lot to be said for some emotional maturity and life experience.

PS, my next blog might be titled have: "Shopping for shoes and handbags is better in Thailand" to test your theory.
comment 25
Lalida date : 14/05/2008 time : 13.55
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Kha....Mr, Pitt
comment 24
Ian date : 14/05/2008 time : 08.41
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PJ, In many sub Saharan cultures, and also diffused throughout Islam is the concept that a woman does not need to enjoy sex. In fact her enjoyment is a hinderance to male enjoyment. Taken to the extreme we have the practice of female circumcision, clitorectomy or worse.
There is a slight undertone of this throughout Asia, a subliminal feeling that women are to be used, not pleasured.
It has been said many times that Thai women like farangs as lovers because they are more attentive. I am obviously in no position to know if this is really true or simply farang propaganda, but if true it would seem the fault lies as much with Thai men as Thai women.
comment 23
VERTIGO date : 14/05/2008 time : 03.06

Lalida,

Literally.
But i am sure that with my Brad Pitt-esque, looks,body, charm and demenour(i wish), i will get by somehow.
But for now the flowers and chocolates will have to do.
comment 22
Lalida date : 13/05/2008 time : 23.09
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Well Vertigo,

Then the question lays on you or her?
comment 21
VERTIGO date : 13/05/2008 time : 21.40

Lalida,
At the moment i am lucky, i see my wife for 8 weeks every year, so we have time to make up for. I am sure when i move out to Thailand permantly, after a while, sex will become rarer than a polar bear in the sahara desert,
comment 20
Lalida date : 13/05/2008 time : 15.05
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PJ,

Logically, I think the statement of the research in K. Veen Blog is wrong, I don't really know what they base on that research so I won't make further comment.

As for yours, I got what you're asking for now and I have nothing to say or don't know what to say
comment 19
Poomjai date : 13/05/2008 time : 14.46
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Lalida,

The point of this blog is simply to ask a question. If you like, in life is there a trade off between having good sex in a less socially conservative context or having bad sex in a more restricted relationship setting? Indeed is it even possible to charactise the difference between good and bad sex in this way?

Khun Veen asked the question, why do so many Thai women not have orgasms? My question is, is it because they are relatively less experienced in matters of sex? It is quite a simple extrapolation to jump from Khun Veen's question to my suggested answer.

If Thai women are relatively inexperienced in sex I don't make a judgement on it either way. Maybe the way people look upon and attach value to sex varies between societies, and that is also fine. Actually, I think there is a lot of appeal in more conservative relationships where the women keeps herself and does not have multiple partners before marriage. And I also think that perhaps in the west promiscuity has gone too far and can now be seen in the much wider context of the break down of social order and family values, particularly in my own country England.


My blog is posed as a question and as such I don't reach a judgement myself on the subject at hand. It is for you the reader to judge and make your own comments on the validity of the thesis I have put forward.

On your point about unwanted pregnancies. I feel that is more of an issue around education and birth control awareness. Unwanted pregnancies can also occur within the context of a marriage or long term partnership. For those children who are sent to homes and indeed for those foetuses aborted in a clinic, I feel real pity, sincerely.
comment 18
GGrass date : 13/05/2008 time : 14.13
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VERTIGO: Hell yeah... I'll drink to that... -_-,
comment 17
Lalida date : 13/05/2008 time : 14.11
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Vertigo,

Are you sure? base on the what you wrote in the other blog sure don't seem so....

PJ,

Frankly, I don't really get the meaning of this Blog, are you asking whether they should have more sex before marriage? It seems to me many in today's world take it as a normality and many of them tend to stay together rather then getting married and most pregnancy are cause by stupidity and not intentionally planned. Just simply count the kids in the orphanage and single mothers in Thailand.
comment 16
catch22 date : 13/05/2008 time : 12.31
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Veen

I have a question; who admits to fantasising about another person or sexual situation whilst in the sack having rumpy pumpy with your 'loved one'?
comment 15
Pomjuk date : 13/05/2008 time : 09.56
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hell YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!
comment 14
VERTIGO date : 13/05/2008 time : 02.42

Sex is finished when your married
comment 13
veen date : 13/05/2008 time : 00.40
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On C2 from Catch 22
I guess he tires to say everyone should have sex - lots of it before marriage because it will be less in term of quantity and quality after marriage
Do I get it right, catch?
comment 12
Poomjai date : 12/05/2008 time : 23.48
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Ian,

Are you trying to get me into more trouble than I am already in mate?

Seriously though - that comment was purely conjecture and based on my observations of which blogs seem to attract the most views. I think another blogger has commented on this previously. Maybe we should ask the Nation if they know in detail what the demographic of the readership is like?

If indeed it proved to be true that more Thai women than men read this blog site, then I guess there could be a number of explanations, of which your suggestions may or may not feature. Good enough answer dear chap?
comment 11
Ian date : 12/05/2008 time : 23.03
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PJ, in comment 6 you wrote, "should appeal to a female readership (I think most people who check this blog site are Thai women)".
Now does this mean that you think women have more spare time on their hands. or that Thai women are better at English than Thai men?

comment 10
Hermano_Lobo date : 12/05/2008 time : 19.37
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Thais having sex before marriage !

I have never heard of such a thing ! Shame on you for suggesting it. What next indeed? men dressing as women?

I am writing to my MP !
comment 9
Poomjai date : 12/05/2008 time : 18.54
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Lalida,

My theory is that this is Thailand so subjects with a Thai angle must be more popular right? It is as simple as that really.

The subjects of sex or relationships I think might be appealing to a female audience in any country, so long as the content is changed to fit that particular country.
comment 8
Lalida date : 12/05/2008 time : 18.49
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/Real

BTW,

I have something in mind about your Blog, something is not right, I'm figuring it out now and come back to you later when I got it...
comment 7
Lalida date : 12/05/2008 time : 18.46
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PJ,

I do agree with you and as I've also notice any Blogs that concerns "Thai" will eventually be a hit, especially about sex or relationships. Is Thai really that interesting or are they waiting for someone to say something wrong and a war starts
comment 6
Poomjai date : 12/05/2008 time : 18.30
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Gosh you have a long neck na ja Lalida!

Seriously though, if you look at all of my most popular blogs, they nearly all have a Thai theme. Any blogs that I write about a general subject, about another country including the UK or about a personal issue to me will get far fewer views.

So for example, what Thai person is going to want a read my blog about, say, 'I went shopping in Asda today'? Or, 'Gosh, the bus was busy in Peckham this morning'?

My most popular blog 'Why are Thai girls cuter than farang girls' hits three popular boxes:

- should be relevant to Thailand;
- should appeal to a female readership (I think most people who check this blog site are Thai women);
- should show Thailand up in a positive light against other countries.

This is only my theory. But I have now written 47 blogs in total and it is clear to me which subjects will be more appealing.

Sometimes, of course, I will write blogs just because I want to write about a subject. For example my football blog or my blog about when my mum got sick. Neither blog got very high views but I was glad to write them.

Likewise, sometimes i enjoy writing blogs that will appeal to a wider readership, and hence this blog and others I have written which proved popular.

I guess every blogger has to find a balance between writing something which interests them personally and writing something which other people might want to read.

What do you think?
comment 5
Lalida date : 12/05/2008 time : 18.14
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What, what about Thai ?
comment 4
Poomjai date : 12/05/2008 time : 17.23
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Lalida,

Ha ha, good question my dear. Actually I have a theory that any blog to be successful on this site needs to have the word 'Thai' in the title.
comment 3
Lalida date : 12/05/2008 time : 16.22
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PJ,

Which one do you think it attracted the readers on your title? "Sex" or "Marriage"
comment 2
catch22 date : 12/05/2008 time : 11.29
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PJ I strongly disagree that more Thai people should have sex before marriage...................ALL people should have sex before marriage, lots of it, before marriage.
(I hope this isn't taken tooo seriously)
comment 1
Ian date : 12/05/2008 time : 10.28
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A nice Thai girl is usually both a physical virgin and a mental virgin. Furthermore she is proud of this fact.

In contrast an 18 year old western girl is reluctant to admit she is a virgin, it implies there is something wrong with her. Most western girls become sexually active just after puberty, and increasingly before puberty.
They know what they want and how to get it:-)
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