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Wednesday , August 29 , 2007
Studying in the UK (4) – The Local/International Student Divide
Posted by natee , Reader : 1253 , 07:57:59   | Category : Studying in the UK  
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“I try talking to English students all the time, but they just look at me, mumble, and turn away,” said a new Thai student who only recently arrived in England. I nodded my head in agreement with her and remembered how very few Thai students who study in the UK will ever be able to overcome the linguistic, social and cultural barriers to an extent that they would become best mates with an English student.

The linguistic barriers are just the beginning, and perceptive Thai students starting off their academic journey in the UK will immediately see how little patience some English local students have for those do not speak English as their first language.

English nationals who are in the service industry will portray more patience, but the patronising tone several use to talk to international students is quite obvious. English students can be much worse. They will be polite enough to try to understand a few words international students say, but turn away at the first opportunity.

Linguistic barriers aren’t the only reason though, because social and cultural barriers play a very strong role in this unfortunate divide between international and English students.

Actually, scrap the politically correct and ambiguous mention of social and cultural barriers: The crux of English university student life, apart from the occasional exams and essays, is the parties at night.

English students will not hesitate to spend £30-40 out each night to get as drunk as possible. This is the only time any of them will let their guards down. During the day, the English are extremely private people, with many walking around with their friends like they do not know each other. After a good number of cheap and cheerful pints, conversations begin, women flirt, and they suddenly show their friendly human side.

International students who get along best with English students are those who will go out at night and at least have a few drinks. Otherwise, you’re no fun, and you’re simply not part of the group.

Most international students try to be friendly during the day, but refuse to go out at night. Thai students, in particular, are more used to a night out munching on endless dishes of food, over a quarter bottle of whiskey heavily diluted with a mixer.

Obviously, being able to go out and get wasted at night isn’t an assurance for acceptance into the English student society. You also get judged by your personality, the confidence you exude, and how good at ‘banter’ you are. The shy and the uninteresting can quickly become outcasts. Even when you’ve overcome all these barriers, there’s still that sense that you’re an outsider which will keep you from transcending the divide.

Most Thai students will despair at these differences, give up, and group together with international students instead. I don’t blame them, even though it means that we are as guilty for sustaining the divide as the English are. It took me four years of being in halls in a resident tutor-like capacity to become accepted into the English student life. This isn’t an alternative for most Thais who study here.

Unlike my other blogs where I try to suggest a solution, I leave this question in the open as an illustration of the present status quo. I sometimes wonder whether this divide exists in the United States, Australia, or New Zealand. This divide is, indeed, one of the most frustrating issues of being an international student in the UK.


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comment 54
Poomjai date : 07/09/2007 time : 00.51
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Windy,

No not bitter, a tad xenophobic perhaps, but not bitter.

What about Thai people who won't speak to farangs because they can't speak Thai? Enjoy your evenings out with your Thai friends, by the way. Far better if you don't include farangs in any case. Sound familiar to Natee's thesis about Thais fitting in in the UK?

The comment about your standard of English is hyperbole, if you don't mind me saying.
comment 53
Ian date : 06/09/2007 time : 17.14
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Windy, all groups have what is called a "group dynamic", when an outsider seeks to join a group it is the outsider who has to do most of the work and adjustment, has to fit the dynamic. If the group can see you trying they may help if they see you rejecting them they will reject you.

look at this list
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=Psychology%2FInterpersonal%20Relations&rh=n%3A1000%2Ck%3APsychology%2FInterpersonal%20Relations&page=2

I can recommend the books by D.H.Hargreaves.
comment 52
windy date : 06/09/2007 time : 14.17
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

A genuine connection.
Why do we always have to adapt to their way of doing something and cater to their needs? They also have to make an effort to be friends with us.
comment 51
windy date : 06/09/2007 time : 14.15
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

Ian, what I mean is if a farang abroad doesn't want to speak to a Thai because they suck in English, then I'd rather not be their friend.

I prefer someone who will try and communicate with even though I suck in English.

Before when I was in grade one no one spoke to me because I couldn't speak a word of English, but one Bulgarian friend didn't care. She taught me more English and we became best friends. That's what I am talking about. It takes two to make a friendship, not some cultural coercion to make a geniune connection.
comment 50
Ian date : 05/09/2007 time : 16.51
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windy,
you wrote, "I don't care about fitting in a group if I have to make an effort to speak perfect english with them."

But surely one of the reasons you were there was to improve and perfect your English?
If you preferred not to make the effort why did you go there?

comment 49
windy date : 05/09/2007 time : 16.29
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

sorry about the genius comment, it makes no sense
comment 48
windy date : 05/09/2007 time : 16.23
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

maybe I am bitter.

I just knew one really intelligent guy..he got full score for his SAT, and all these popular European and American people were really close friends with him. But maybe that just demonstrates he also has high EQ.

But as I said, I don't have any desire to be friends with those people, but it's not because I don't like them. Just that I prefer being with some friends more than others and they happen to be Asians.

I don't care about fitting in a group if I have to make an effort to speak perfect english with them.

Tu sais?
comment 47
Poomjai date : 05/09/2007 time : 01.03
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Ian,

Couldn't agree more. Sweeping generalisation don't you think Windy?
comment 46
Ian date : 04/09/2007 time : 21.21
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Windy, comment 44 , second paragraph, what do you mean, it makes no sense to me? Or are you simply expressing personal bitterness?
comment 45
windy date : 04/09/2007 time : 20.51
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

oh, and I don't understand the big deal with nights out and alcohol. It just ruins your health.
I have several friends who ask me to go out at like 12 to 1 am but I don't understand the point if we have 24 hours a day
comment 44
windy date : 04/09/2007 time : 20.48
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Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

you are absolutely right on this one :)
Sometimes though, it's not a matter of arrogance or unintelligence. It's just that Asians sometimes tend to understand each other more and come from a familiar background.

And of course all of the Americans and Europeans only accept real geniuses, which is sad, but I couldn't care less. I like my Chinese, Indian, and Asian friends
comment 43
Ian date : 04/09/2007 time : 06.13
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natee, I have an idea, but a bit too late this year. But next year if any Thai student would like to visit an English family for a weekend let me know. They might find it interesting:-)
comment 42
Ian date : 03/09/2007 time : 17.48
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natee, "we group together rather tightly", that rather says it all really.
comment 41
natee date : 02/09/2007 time : 22.53
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There aren't that many Thais and we group together rather tightly. As a general indication, at my university's business school, there will perhaps be one Thai per 100 Chinese students. To make issues even more confusing, I sometimes mistake the Thai students for Chinese students!
comment 40
Ian date : 02/09/2007 time : 17.20
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natee, I have met many students from many countries but have yet to meet a Thai one, where do they hide?
I was under the impression that most Thais head to America, where they are more at home with the culture and language.
comment 39
natee date : 02/09/2007 time : 02.59
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Pondering: Believe it or not, I'm talking about the majority of Thai students here in the UK!
Poomjai: Thank you! Some very important points there in your comment as well...
comment 38
Pondering date : 01/09/2007 time : 15.41
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Natee: I hope this group home people you've talked about in the blogs are only minority and they must be. One of my very few solutions for Thai studying aboard is to know their purposes of being there (which sadly, very few of them do.) It will make things a little easier. Plus, why waste precious time worrying about those who just simply aren't worth it.
comment 37
Poomjai date : 01/09/2007 time : 12.37
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Narcissus,

Belatedly... I was dating a Jewish girl at the time (although, thankfully, a secular Jew) so was interested in anything related to Judaism. I read the history of Israel and Yitzhak Rabin's biography. I ate special pesach bread (the story of how they make it is just as quirky as orthodox Jewish women shaving their heads so that other men cannot admire them too much, only to wear very fancy wigs which look just as attractive as their original hair). Can you even believe that I went to the synagogue to observe the festivals of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, wearing a hamulkah? (You don't actually have any choice about that if you go to a synagogue.) :-)

Natee,

I think you wrote an excellent and well balanced blog, well done.

You will have noticed from your time in England that it is actually a very multi-cultural society. Racism and exclusion exist, as they do in most countries. But most English people (who have a brain) accept multi-culturalism as a norm in our society. And I think University students are more inclined to be liberal minded than the average person.

My point is really that sometimes, despite the many cultural differences, people who choose to go and live/study in a foreign land should make some effort to immerse themselves in the local culture and customs. My personal observation is that Thai students tend to choose to group together in the UK because of the comfort factor, and that is perfectly understandable. I have very good Thai friends who studied in the UK for a year and moreand returned to Thailand without noticeably improving their command of English.

English people as a general rule have very good feelings towards Thais if you go by the number of British tourists in Thailand each year. But it is hard with Brits to break the ice and start to build bonds of friendship. But I believe it is possible and I enjoin all Thai students to try and to really enjoy their experience in my country.

Going out on the razzle, getting mullered, high or laid are not the only aspects of University and social life. Join a club either at University or in the community, visit a Church (without compromising your Buddhist spirituality) or do some National Trust volunteering, just to meet people. Thai students might make some life long English and international friends, and I sincerely hope that they do.
comment 36
Ian date : 01/09/2007 time : 06.47
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natee, after my last comment I had a think about what is an Englishman, firstly I think skin colour is just an adjective, just as in red hair or blue eyes, so an Englishman can be any colour. But he must speak colloquial English with a discernable accent, whether it be upper class, London or Midlands etc. He must dress in a way that is recognised as normal or a subculture style such as Emo, or city yuppie. He should know pub etiquette even if not a regular drinker. Less obvious factors are body language and attitude. He should have a very relaxed attitude about his religion, if any:-)
I think they are the basics, I'm sure there are others:-)
Thus a black Rastafarian with a Cockney accent I'm quite happy to accept as British:-)
comment 35
Ian date : 01/09/2007 time : 02.12
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natee, that is a good rule of thumb, but not absolute. Take my children as an example, they were cosmopolitan long before uni, and before ever going abroad, simply because through me they had met and mixed with foreigners.
But you are right, travel not only broadens the mind but makes you more broadminded:-)
comment 34
natee date : 01/09/2007 time : 00.04
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Ian: Absolutely no offence taken! Defining something is always an issue, so the writer will sometimes have to limit the parameters of the definition. Otherwise, the blog would simply be too long.
Ian and Pondering: There are cosmopolitan English and American students too! These are most likely to come and mingle with international students. One of the ways I use to detect the cosmopolitans is if they've been outside their home country at least a few times!
comment 33
Pondering date : 31/08/2007 time : 22.41
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Thanks Ian.....now I feel much better
comment 32
Ian date : 31/08/2007 time : 21.05
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Pondering, you have just described the difference between a cosmopolitan and an insular attitude:-)
You are obviously cosmopolitan, we need more people like you, the world would be a better place.
comment 31
Pondering date : 31/08/2007 time : 20.41
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I've just thought about another thing. During my first year in the college, I rented a house with other three American girls and we were really close. Since they are locals, they also have many other friends who often came to hang out and party on the weekends. I then automatically made friends with many of them. But you know, I also am friends with other Thai students in school. They had complained about pretty much the same thing Natee has said in his blog--it's hard to get along, socialize and carry on a conversation with Americans. They felt like since their English was so poor, no American would want to be their friends.

I'd wanted to prove them wrong since many good friends I'd worked at the paper with were nothing, but the opposit. So my roommates and I decided to host a party at night inviting people from both worlds to mingle. So I spreaded the words to Thais and they were all saying it was too late, and that there would be too many drunks, too many Americans there. Okay....we are talking about the party started at 8pm, we served alcohol but force nobody to drink and heck, we live in America so hint hint, there will be Americans there. To make a long story short, half of them came. Another half said they had to study. The first half that came stood in the corners, grouped with their own people, chatting away in Thais. Now, imagine if you didn't understand Thai, would you want to be in the group. We all know the answer.
comment 30
Ian date : 31/08/2007 time : 19.58
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natee, I had no wish to offend, but many Thais object to farangs defining Thai'ness, TIT comes to mind:-) I just felt that you made too sweeping a statement on what you define as Englishness.
comment 29
natee date : 31/08/2007 time : 18.35
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Pondering: Great input, thanks!
Ian: I thought I was writing a blog comment, not a thesis! Do I REALLY have to go through a 1,500 word assessment to define what I mean by 'English students'?
comment 28
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.53
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I  come in peace :)

You were right. My memory played tricks on me, the headmaster was british born, thus making it strange he had such a strong accent.
It was somewhere in north-east london. If you are inclined to investigate further, the documentary was root of all evil, and of course it was Richard Dawkins that had the lead role :=)
comment 27
Pondering date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.52
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Ok guys, there are something wrong with my computer today.......it acts weird.

Anyhow, impatient and/ or ignorant individuals are just those Thai students need not to pay attention to. There are a few things you cannot change about a person and this may be one of them. As much as Thais are crying and whinning about this issue, I think they forget to realize a few things. Who want to socialize with reserved/ uptight persons? I don't think it matters whether your English is so poor are so excellent, you still cannot make friends if you are so uptight and judgemental. I do not want to talk much about this because it's going to be a few pages, but really, think about it. I have met some Thais whose English isn't that good, but have so many American friends and blend in at about any party they go. I also see many Thai with an excellence in English, but end up acting like a wallflower at a social setting. It has to do with personalities and more. Something many Thai students studying aboard should think about.
comment 26
Pondering date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.46
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I don't think it's anybody's fault, really. Generally, younger individuals (regardless of what nationality they are) tend to have short temper along with being impatient. I see it as a natural thing...nothing to be worried about.

I've never been to UK before nor known many British to judge them, so my input here will be about the US. Here, Thai students face just about the same things as those studying in England.
comment 25
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.35
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I  come in peace :)

I am pretty sure it was jewish.
comment 24
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.35
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I  come in peace :)

Ian: they might not have been immigrants, but they were certainly the product of an isolated community judging from their rather strange english.
comment 23
Ian date : 31/08/2007 time : 17.22
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Narcisuss, you wrote,"There was one school, I think jewish, where the kids were rarely exposed to language spoken by other people than their immigrant teachers."
That cannot be a Jewish school, they would not need immigrant teachers. England has had Jews since medieval times, they spoke Yiddish, Hebrew was a dead language. It has been artificially revived by the State of Israel.

comment 22
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 14.19
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I  come in peace :)

Poomjai: There are two hysterical aspects to your comment. 1: The documentary itself. 2: That you watched it . haha
comment 21
Poomjai date : 31/08/2007 time : 12.25
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Narcissus,

I remember watching a documentary about an Orthodox Jewish women's basket ball team in Hendon, North London. No really, it's true! They weren't actually allowed to play any other women teams because that would run against the tenets of their religion. And there were only brief camera snaps of one of the women trundling around the court, bouncing a ball. But she was wearing a baseball cap, so that the camera would not catch a glimpse of her be-wigged head!
comment 20
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 11.29
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I  come in peace :)

Ian: We have those too back in Norway too to some degree.

I remember watching a documentary in which the 'faith schools' in England were a part. There was one school, I think jewish, where the kids were rarely exposed to language spoken by other people than their immigrant teachers.
Further on they would tend to socialize only with the kids they went to school with (which is not so strange). When they grew up, their English accent was as heavy as a 4-5th year immigrant.
Such isolated communities serve as a barrier to integration.
In universities the equivalent would be groups of foreign students.
comment 19
Ian date : 31/08/2007 time : 00.48
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natee, so you are not defining English by skin colour, language, dietery habits, dress or religion, but purely by the fact they were born in Britain. Presumably from one or more naturalised parents. I know third generation Pakistanis who can speak Punjabi, but very little pure English, just street jargon, their women wear mini tents on their heads, they visit onion factories regularly, and can often be seen waving signs demanded our heads are removed from our bodies. Yet to you these are English people
comment 18
narcisuss date : 31/08/2007 time : 00.11
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I  come in peace :)

After having this blog entry in my mind at school today, I came to the conclusion that the students and faculty might seem a little timid from time to time, but are almost never un-welcoming.

comment 17
natee date : 30/08/2007 time : 22.52
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Dam: By English, I mean born and raised in England. The Indian English, for example, would be categorised as 'English' in this Blog.
Ian (comment 1): Embracing the university social culture and integrating in it are totally different issues. Thais also have loud parties, but these parties will usually exclude English students.
P'Weerayut: Is it a coincidence that you mentioned 'German' and 'Swiss' friends but not 'English'? Your case would be another example of how international students are divided from the English local students.

Well done for all of you who said they don't have a problem integrating into the mainstream English student society! But then again, you are the ones who dared to speak up in the blog. The shy majority who wouldn't even bother reading, let alone comment on, this blog are those who are most likely to suffer with the divide.
comment 16
Ian date : 30/08/2007 time : 16.43
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Being a Caucasian in Asia has its upside and it downside, whether you like it or not. There is a tendency to receiving more respect from ordinary people, but wariness to abuse from officials.
Foreigners in England are starting to suffer from public reaction to the massive immigration currently happening, particularly the Moslem influx.
One way of clearly demonstrating that you are not a Moslem is to join the lads for a pint down the pub.
comment 15
GGrass date : 30/08/2007 time : 11.58
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in general, thais can't drink very well. there are those who do have 'throat made of stainless pipe' who can drink kerosene, but very rare.

and even more rare, are those who can get drunk, and still manage to have good time. usually when thais get drunk, hell breaks lose. or they drop dead till next morning.

i love drinking, and drinking a lot. but only with international friends.
comment 14
narcisuss date : 30/08/2007 time : 08.00
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I  come in peace :)

Let me also note that it is my experience that students that are from other *south*east asian nations and are not white don't get the same attention.. Eventhough they are clearly not Thai.
comment 13
narcisuss date : 30/08/2007 time : 07.53
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I  come in peace :)

Poomjai:
In many cases yes. But sometimes its the odd choice of words from a teacher that is trying to prevent me from getting in to discussions about a lecture. 'I am farang and am therefore prone to cause an uproar in class'. The paternalistic attitude shown by staff towards students hardly applies to me.
Sometimes it's the security guards that yells at the Thais, but are overly polite to me. Sometimes it's the look of fear on peoples faces when I approach them.. 'maybe we have to speak english'.
I've been through worse in other countries, but they definetly 'react' to me here even before I engage with my poor thai language skills.

comment 12
Dam date : 30/08/2007 time : 07.27
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Natee, you did not provide the background of the English. Are they the offsprings of the migrants or are they local bread and raised.

My exprience with English is better than with Europeans or Americans. Perhaps, I am lucky that i met the right ones. :)
comment 11
Poomjai date : 30/08/2007 time : 07.06
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Narcissus,

Shine through in terms of people making you feel welcome?

Do you speak Thai by the way?
comment 10
narcisuss date : 30/08/2007 time : 00.37
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I  come in peace :)

Ian: yes that is what I meant. I don't think the U.K. is special in that sense.
comment 9
narcisuss date : 30/08/2007 time : 00.35
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I  come in peace :)

That being said, I do think there are places that would have better conditions than the U.K. as well.
I don't think northern europeans are famous for being 'warm' towards each other. Then again, some countries that are supposedly 'warm' turn cold to foreigners.. English universities have a long culture of foreign exchange and are probably somewhat conditioned.
But the conditions can vary greatly from university to university.. It's hard to generalise.

My personal experience being a farang in a mostly Thai university is that people very much do notice that I am different and it shines through in many ways from both students and staff. Even before they know if I speak the language or not. I don't think this condition is true for big English universities .. this is becoming a rambling comment again..
comment 8
Ian date : 30/08/2007 time : 00.27
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narcisuss , I realise that English is not your mother tongue, I think you said you were Norwegian, but I really found your final question confusing. Did you perhaps mean "special" or "different", rather than "particular"?
comment 7
narcisuss date : 30/08/2007 time : 00.10
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I  come in peace :)

Poomjai: I will try to exclude quantum physics, though it will be extremely difficult.

I actually tried writing a comment earlier, but I ended up writing small essays each time and decided to give up. But flattered as I was by your request I will try to do a light-hearted summary.

Shy people that prefer to eat and drink whiskey over drinking pints, have an unwillingness to change preferences, have difficulties in communicating in the native language and are easy targets for groups of similar men/women that will increase the us &them attitudes... WILL have difficulties integrating themselves in the U.K.

Is the U.K. particular in providing non-optimal conditions for those characteristics? I don't think so.
comment 6
Poomjai date : 29/08/2007 time : 23.07
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I never thought I would ever say this (and I will probably regret that I did). But I actually would like to hear from Narcissus on his perspectives: being a farang student in Thailand. (p.s. grateful if this could be done without quantum physics please.)
comment 5
Poomjai date : 29/08/2007 time : 23.05
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Khun Weerayut,

Did your lecturer want to show you his puppies and/or stamp collection too? ;-)

comment 4
Ian date : 29/08/2007 time : 21.12
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weerayut, funny you should say that, my students would always insist on paying for the beers
comment 3
weerayut date : 29/08/2007 time : 20.25
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It depends on what kind of person you are. I was quick to adjust myself to the British beer because all my German and Swiss friends loved nothing but the nightlife.

Playing pool and watching football at pub was the best way that I could develop my speaking skill.

My very culture shock in England was when one of my master's degree advisors asked me and some of my classmates to have beer with him after his International Relations Theory class at 8 o'clock on Wednesday night.

But the point was that I quickly had more self-confidence because of those outgoing experiences.

I had a Thai friend there too. We rarely talked in Thai. Why? Because if we wanted to speak Thai and live as Thai, why should we go studying abroad? Just live in Thailand. That was our deal.

If only Asian students dare change themselves in that short period, they will come back with quality.
comment 2
PasaNINJA2499 date : 29/08/2007 time : 17.29
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Keep walking forward. Don't give up. Don't fed up.

I do agree with Ian. Next to the back of my university lined with pubs and bars. It’s never empty and becomes crowed at Friday night.
comment 1
Ian date : 29/08/2007 time : 17.00
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Natee, I think this must be predominantly a Thai problem, I have visited several universities socially, all my children and their friends have been to different universities and I have hosted foreign students to my country.
In all cases Asians, (China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Malaysian, Indian) have embraced the university social culture, I have met many who were in dread of returning to their own restrictive social climates.
From personal experience the most riotous and popular parties were always thrown by the Chinese contingent, those guys really know how to party:-)
To be perfectly honest I have never noticed any Thai students on or off campus, perhaps as you say they are busy eating and solitary drinking in the evenings.
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