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Thursday , November 17 , 2011
The Fourth Wave of Flood Launched by Yingluck's Cabinet Will Be Very Deadly!
Posted by Piset , Reader : 1078 , 00:10:10  
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After the Third Wave of flood of water from politicians' mouths, today, the cabinet has launch the most fatal of all floods in Thailand, the Fourth Wave of Flood that will sink Thailand, not under the water, but under the flow of blood!

While Yingluck pretended to be away and absent from the cabinet meeting, the cabinet had put through a legislation that would amount to amnesty for Thaksin Shinnawatra.

That was a double horrible thing for the sitting government to do at such a time when the entire country is deep in trouble with the flood. There, they simply attempt to capture the opportunity on HM King's birthday to pass a bill that would pardon prisoners that would include Thaksin Shinnawatra.

Of course, if that bill ever get to the floor of the Parliament, it will mean Thai people must stand up to defend the institution of law of this land with whatever it may cost.

Be ready!


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comment 37
Steven_ date : 24/11/2011 time : 14.44

Nothing will end. Look towards the heaven. Its endless just as our earth and life is. It will keep revolving and continue
comment 36
Piset date : 21/11/2011 time : 22.54
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Piset

When I wrote in Asia Pacific Management Forum in 2001 that by 2010 China will have 10 million cars, some commentators said that I was crazy. They exceeded 30 million in 2010 and has been producing more than 10 million motor vehicles each year for the past 3 years.

China has plenty of unexploited underground minerals. However, those would not mean very much when the country runs out of sources for potable water. Water shortage coupled with water contamination by polution is a serious problem in China. China will have to halt several enviornment polluting industries if it is going to defer its serious drinking water shortage. I heard that Johnson Control has already decided to move away from China after being required to meet very stiff enviornmental control conditions. Maybe it will move to Thailand, but not in Bangbuathong for sure.
comment 35
Ian date : 21/11/2011 time : 09.22
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All things come to an end and that includes natural resources. The British empire was built on British steel aand British coal, mined in England. When the coal and iron ran out, our global eminence declined.
The US took possession of an undeveloped continental land mass, rich in all natural resources, so it boomed. Now these resources are showing signs of depletion, China faces a similar problem, increasingly they are have to seek these resources in the undeveloped third world.
comment 34
Piset date : 20/11/2011 time : 09.58
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Piset

Perhaps, we should recall the "misery index" suggested by Ronald Reagan, that is the inflation rate plus the unemployment rate. Then ask yourself a question, "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?"

Given the choice, I certainly would like to retire in Gilroy, California or Klamath Falls, Oregon. There is no question about the generally better social order and your freedom to do what you damn please in the US, comparing with other places.

However, if we talk about the changing picture, then the US certainly has been on the decline as compare to some other countries. The same family that lived in the state provided 40 sqm flat earning a combine salary of 1200 baht in Ningbo, Zhejiang, that I met in 1991, now owns their own spacy family home while each of his three daughters all married (one to the HR director of a 5-star hotel, one to a PhD professor, one to an engineering manager of the Power Grid). They now owns a small automobile, rent out the extra apartment that was their original home and live a rather comfortable retired life with most of the medical bills paid for by the state. They grand child are now going to international kindergarten or bilingural primary schools.

Now come and talk to them about how terrible the communist system is or was with them. What kind of respond will you get other than a big laught, as said in the preface poem of the book "A Tale of the Three Kingdoms."

"All in the past are now just subject of laughting chats over a pot of tea."
comment 33
FelixQui date : 20/11/2011 time : 06.33
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But the US continues to do much better than Thailand and most other countries economically, socially and politically - which is why so many from places like Thailand are so keen to move there to make their fortune, or simply to live in a relatively just and peaceful society where basic human rights tend to be well protected by law.
comment 32
FelixQui date : 20/11/2011 time : 06.30
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Ice,
You are right. The US could and should also be much further ahead than it is. And we must again ask why it has not lived up to its potential. In the case of the US, it's because excessive state interference in free markets and in the personal affairs of US citizens has inevitably retarded growth.

Not to very different to Thailand, except that in Thialand it's much worse and has been for much longer because THai traditional culture is less moral than traditional American thinking which inherited much of the best of the West.
comment 31
iceberg date : 19/11/2011 time : 22.28
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Felix, your C29

Given its resources, location and population, Thailand should be far more developed economically, socially and politically than it is. Something has been retarding progress for decades.

Felix, I just wonder what do you think about country like America, Spain, Greece, England, Italy, France, etc. Have they done so much better e, s & p than Thailand in the past 10-15 years?


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Excerpt from Wikipedia:

According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010,[2] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993.

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My interpretation from what you said, there shouldnt be any poor people left in America, giving the fact that America is so much better than Thailand 10 years ago or 100 years ago, economically, socially, & politically .

But the poverty level in America has increased. Not to mention that the country is so much in debt and with trade deficit to a very alarming level. There are now mentioned of class warfare and the increasing of partisan politics.

This isnt that I am showing my Thainess because of your comment in regard to Thailand
comment 30
Ian date : 19/11/2011 time : 10.32
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As Felix points out, Thaksin has been a catalyst of political change in Thailand and this change has been accelerated by the floods. I have been heartened to see communities arguing outspokenly with authority figures, questioning their actions, even ignoring them. If democracy is an omelette, then you have to break a few eggs to make it. It may look like a descent to anarchy, but it is more a return to a natural state, hopefully a state from which democracy can grow.
comment 29
FelixQui date : 19/11/2011 time : 06.05
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Piset,
Given its resources, location and population, Thailand should be far more developed economically, socially and politically than it is. Something has been retarding progress for decades.

Inviting people to imagine alternative scenarios does not help your case: it's easy to imagine any number of much better outcomes than the actual one.

More productive is to ask why so little has improved over recent decades, and what changes would contribute positively to economic, social and political development for the whole Thai people. We notice that that discussion does not seem to happen, except in a decidedly blinkered fashion.

But the most recent election seems to suggest that the Thai people would like some serious change and a reassessment of traditional ideologies - they were, after all, well aware of the issues at stake when they cast their votes since the cowering, self-serving press and army did their best to present the election as a poll on those issues. The Thai people have spoken, however much you and I might heartily dislike some of their opinions.
comment 28
FelixQui date : 19/11/2011 time : 06.03
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Alien.
Although he is not very democratic, and probably doesn't even know what it means, any more than the dictators in China, Taksin probably has helped democracy in Thailand: He has certainly stimulated a lot of debate on it, and got people thinking about what it is, might be, and should be, and how to implement it. He has also roused some actual grass roots action - from more than one side.
All of those things do seem good to me, so the case that Taksin has been good for Thai democracy is not without some support, however accidental that might be. He certainly moved things more than the previous decades of stultified and stultifying traditional ignorance and deliberate hindering of economic, social and political progress for the Thai people.
comment 27
Alien date : 19/11/2011 time : 02.32
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I find it amusing that someone used the words "Thaksin" and "good for democracy" in the same paragraph. Ah...it's Friday...maybe it's me.
comment 26
Piset date : 18/11/2011 time : 20.59
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Piset

I still insist that law must be enforced equally to all.

I have made my suggestion here based on my undestanding of the case and Thai culture.

By surrendering unconditionally, Thaksin would have save this nation from a severe blood bath conflict that would last for years and years ending with all side losers.

For the minute of his unconditional surrendering, I believe that he would have stunned all concerns and immediately become the hero of law respecting citizen of this land.

That will be a show of bravery against all odds you guys have said. That's why it take courage of a big man. I am sure with that heroic decision, he will be treated well by all concerns.

I will bet he will not need to really stay in jail for long and will re-emerge quickly with no strings attached and freeing himself for an honorable live for himself and his family.
comment 25
gothai date : 18/11/2011 time : 19.33
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YL & her brother have personal safety procedure consultants, hand pick bodyguards, etc. Didnt you notice YL travel upcountry with rented chopper instead those supply the army earlier. Now she purchased her own heli. WHY?
comment 24
Ian date : 18/11/2011 time : 18.34
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I think personal safety is always a factor in Thailand if you are a controverial person, particularly if hidden away from the public in a prison. There are plenty of hot headed Thaksin haters around.
comment 23
gothai date : 18/11/2011 time : 17.29
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Do you know why the RED shirts especially quite recently & their leaders are not in the news as well???? GUESS!
comment 22
gothai date : 18/11/2011 time : 17.26
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The less he fight, the more he will get. The more he fight, the less he will get.


The less he fight, the more he will get?
You are wrong. He had being quite recently.. how did the medias treats him coming up with rumors.

The more he fight, the less he will get?
You are wrong again!..... The more he fought, more he get! PT won the election, his sister PM, is he on tracks?
comment 21
gothai date : 18/11/2011 time : 17.19
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Probably he consider surrendering himself is showing guilt, secondly could be his safety. Did he managed to picture himself to world leaders his conviction is political motivated? Some believes him allow his visas proves it.
comment 20
Piset date : 18/11/2011 time : 11.09
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Piset

Ian:

No matter how Thaksin or his red shirt people have attempted to discredit Him, no one on earth can enjoy a truly popular support of the Thai people and Thai society without showing respect to the institution that we the Thai have revered, especially our current King Rama IX.

Thaksin should be wise enough to avoid all potential offense against this institution. That include his supporters if he wish to set his feet in Thailand without a blood bath.

To those ignorant people. Just imagine this country in the past 65 years without our selfless and devoting King Rama XI, how would this nation have become.

Therefore, my suggestion is for Thaksin and his people to make a big U turn from the current mistake.

1) for Thaksin to order his people to immediately stop any attempt for any Amnesty.

2) for Thaksin to walk into any Thai embassy like a MAN, self hand-cuffed, with a writen note expressing his full and absolutely unconditional surrender to the laws of Thailand.

3) for Yingluck to immediately suspend her own duty as the prime minister in lieu of a non-interference gesture on all issue regarding her brother.

4) for PT to announce abstentions from any debate, legislation, or issues involving Thaksin or Amnesty that might benefit him.

With all these, I bet you, Thaksin can walk the street of Thailand as a national hero in no time.

The less he fight, the more he will get. The more he fight, the less he will get.
comment 19
Ian date : 18/11/2011 time : 09.55
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I think Thaksin is trapped by a typical Thai dilemma, that of "face". He originally fled because he knew the dice were loaded against him, the government in power, the military and the judiciary were all controlled by his adversaries. So he declared he would not return unless he received a full pardon. Now the game has changed, he could indeed surrender and seek a retrial, but this would be a reversal of his previous stance and a loss of face.
Face is important to Thais and also to Chinese, Thaksin is both.
comment 18
Steven_ date : 18/11/2011 time : 09.51

Too many cooks spoil the soup
comment 17
FelixQui date : 18/11/2011 time : 09.48
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Piset,
I don't know if the way the amnesty bill is being done is stupid, but it's absolutely rotten through and through. The point-blank refusal to allow any discussion or transparency on a matter of great concern to the Thai people is yet another instance of what is most rotten in traditional Thai culture: the enforced ignorance to preclude accountability that the toxic patronage system depends on.
comment 16
Piset date : 18/11/2011 time : 01.03
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Piset

The way Charlerm Yoobamlung is trying to push the Amnesty bill for Thaksin is the most stupid way. I said before and will say this here again. Thaksin Shinnawatra could put himself into Thai history being a great man for all if he would simply walk in to any Thai embassy and surrender himself unconditionally.

The less he fight, the more he will receive. On the contrary, the more he fight, the less he will get. This is Thailand.
comment 15
iceberg date : 17/11/2011 time : 23.38
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I dont understand why the former PM Taksin will not surrender himself to the authority. Bail himself out and fight the matter in court. If he did all these, it will surely boost Ms. Yinglucks popularity with the people, show transparency of her government, and she possibly could be re-elected for the second term.

Taksins wife fought in courts and she has won many battles already.

May be I am too politically naïve to understand these things.
comment 14
Piset date : 17/11/2011 time : 22.30
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Piset

My position is clear. Law breakers are equal in the face of laws. Unless law breakers are punished as prescribed by the law, laws owuld be meaning less. Unless we have effective laws and law enforcement, the whole country would turn into a killing field!
comment 13
gothai date : 17/11/2011 time : 20.09
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Like Chamlong & that Limthongkul once buddy of buddies with Thaksin. Could be Thaksin gravest mistake decided to breakaway where he thought these two are pests demanding more then what is fair.. money turn them from human to devils. Current PAD is not the same PAD before with the elites and Democrats supports, including from giant large corporations funds.
comment 12
Ian date : 17/11/2011 time : 17.36
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Strange, this is now the second time in 3 days that I find myself in agreement with Gothai
I firmly believe that even with his bad points Thaksin will be better for Thailand than any of the present bunch of idiots that call themselves Democrats. Piset of course will never understand this he has been out of Thailand too long, plus of course he has a personal grudge with Thaksin.
comment 11
FelixQui date : 17/11/2011 time : 17.28
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Piset,
I have no doubt that Taksin was corrupt and made his money from AIS by unfair laws - made by Democrat governments and others who gave him monopoly rights. He isn't even a good business man, just an eager opportunist and manipulator. The good business people are those like Bill Gates who create real value for their customers equal to the prices those customers pay in a free, competitive market. Taksin does not qualify.

But do you honestly think that Taksin is the biggest thief Thailand has had these past few decades? I think other politicians and perhaps others have stolen far more from the Thai people.

What do you think? Is Taksin really the BIGGEST thief in Thai history, or just another run of the mill, corrupt Thai politician?

By the way, I have some brand, new unused GT200s I can sell you if you are interested at only 200,000 Baht each, plus a small fee for the software the coat hangers need. They can detect gold, carbon and land mines when not being used to detect bull shit. Sadly, technology to pierce the veil of ignorance is not permitted within Thailand any more than it is in China or North Korea, so I can't help you there.
comment 10
wch date : 17/11/2011 time : 17.27
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" A man can be highly praised, by a mistake". Gothai reminds me of this words.

If Suwanaphum airport had not been built at present location, Don Muang is this time never flooded.

Anyhow it was not Thaksin that decided the Suwanaphumi airport location but Chatichai Choonhavan and followed Suchinda Junta.

If Thailand construct new quick flood release canals, they have to double the cost because the canal must avoid Suwana ap and go longer to Bangpakong river or nearby, where full housing complexes were built.
comment 9
Piset date : 17/11/2011 time : 16.11
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Piset

Sorry, I firmly believe that any person who has violated the laws of the land, must be punished. I cannot find any other cases in court in Thailand in which the defendants had been given more opportunities for his defenses than Thaksin's cases, yet, he has been convicted in one case with many other cases still awaiting for him.

There is a good reason that I call Thailand the Thiefland as all the thieves are in control of the legislation and law enforcements. So, ask no silly question about the interol. What have those dam-ned zombies at the police department done with those buring down the country, the Santika inferno. If that kind of cops are the safeguarding force for the country then Thailand is no more than a slaughter house where anyone trying to walk straight will be the enemy of the thieves' gangs.

This is the last chance for all good Thais to take the country into their own hands away from those hooligan gangs.

As soon as the movement started, they will receive a big proportion of my regular income in support of the funding, for the start!
comment 8
gothai date : 17/11/2011 time : 15.32
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As a regular traveler, I still appreciate the man which this author here hated him so much without considering the fact that he the only PM dared to continue & complete Suvarnabhumi airport where the democrat party introduced the ideas, started the project more then 25 years ago. Democrat party in governing earlier before Thaksin cant do any fucks about the new airport.

Without Suvarnabhumi airport in operation now, Don Muang flooded now, Thailand air travels doomed, the country really is doomed like this author had said.

Go to the streets now and demonstrates, let see where you get the funds for it this time round!

Felix is right, what is there Thailand to lose if he is indeed pardoned?
comment 7
gothai date : 17/11/2011 time : 15.32
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As a regular traveler, I still appreciate the man which this author here hated him so much without considering the fact that he the only PM dared to continue & complete Suvarnabhumi airport where the democrat party introduced the ideas, started the project more then 25 years ago. Democrat party in governing earlier before Thaksin cant do any fucks about the new airport.

Without Suvarnabhumi airport in operation now, Don Muang flooded now, Thailand air travels doomed, the country really is doomed like this author had said.

Go to the streets now and demonstrates, let see where you get the funds for it this time round!

Felix is right, what is there Thailand to lose if he is indeed pardoned?
comment 6
gothai date : 17/11/2011 time : 15.32
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As a regular traveler, I still appreciate the man which this author here hated him so much without considering the fact that he the only PM dared to continue & complete Suvarnabhumi airport where the democrat party introduced the ideas, started the project more then 25 years ago. Democrat party in governing earlier before Thaksin cant do any fucks about the new airport.

Without Suvarnabhumi airport in operation now, Don Muang flooded now, Thailand air travels doomed, the country really is doomed like this author had said.

Go to the streets now and demonstrates, let see where you get the funds for it this time round!

Felix is right, what is there Thailand to lose if he is indeed pardoned?
comment 5
FelixQui date : 17/11/2011 time : 15.04
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It's certainly shaping up to be an interesting, action packed Xmas-New year period.

I must say, I'm astounded at how quickly Yingluck is moving to return big brother.

If only the idiots who hate Taksin had had the sense to prosecute him for one of his real crimes - that his signed his name on a piece of paper to allow his wife to buy some expensive land does look political, and the international community has treated it accordingly, which is why Abhisit and Piromya never dared to ask for Interpol to help in apprehending Taksin the fugitive.

Had Taksin haters had had half a brain, they would have gone for the evil "war on drugs" murders that he set off. And Interpol might even have been asked to cooperate in apprehending him for that.
comment 4
Steven_ date : 17/11/2011 time : 10.33

After this there is only one that can save the Country and thats Thaksin. With his extra ordinary ability in economy he will save the Thai and country out of this crisis just as he has done so in the 1997 baht devaluation crisis.
comment 3
Steven_ date : 17/11/2011 time : 10.29

Piset,
For your info everything is being done in line with the law and Constitution.
comment 2
Steven_ date : 17/11/2011 time : 10.27

Amnesty for Thaksin would be a good thing as it would knock some sense into the military and royalist to be more in line on the will of the people. It now depend on the military and royalist to prevent further divisiveness. Thaksin was once a good thing to Thailand and it will be in the future for the people, country and democracy. You and the people support are necessary to unite the country and to stop further divisiveness
comment 1
wch date : 17/11/2011 time : 07.33
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They seem to feel itching. This time the machine gun will work effectively, 555
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