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This blog will present and provide a ground of exchange of the broad spectrum of ideas covering the well being of the nation and the people of Thailand
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Friday , October 2 , 2009
A Nine Years Old "Drug Pusher" Was Shot at Point-blank! ! ! ! : A Case for Law Experts.
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Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra last week announced “victory” in a vicious, anti-drug campaign, in which police were given a licence to use “extreme measures” to stamp out the selling of methamphetamines, known locally as “yaba” or “crazy medicine”.

This three-month reign of police terror left at least 2,274 people dead. The government and police implausibly ascribed the deaths to gangland feuding, insisting that only 42 drug suspects were shot by police officers—most of those in “self-defence”. In fact, the government openly encouraged the police to carry out extra-judicial killings so that the arbitrary goals of its “war on drugs” could be met on time.

The Narcotics Control Board provided the indices: 1,765 people arrested as major drug dealers and another 15,244 as minor dealers. More than 280,000 “drug pushers” and “addicts” gave themselves up to authorities and were sent for rehabilitation. In all, some 15.5 million pills were confiscated and the street price for the drug doubled or trebled over the course of the three months from February 1 to April 30.

All 75 of Thailand’s provinces reported that they had more than fulfilled their quota of reducing the number of drug dealers by 50 percent. In some cases, officials boasted of a 100 percent “success rate”—that is, all drug dealers in their province either dead or detained. Interior Minister Wan Muhammad Nor Matha claimed that 440 local officials and politicians, including two police colonels, had been dismissed because of links to drug trafficking.

The government used a system of bribes and threats to ensure that regional governors and police chiefs carried out the campaign. Three lists were compiled: one by police; the second by local administrative organisations and village heads; and the last by the Narcotics Control Board. Officials who failed to meet their quotas faced dismissal. Those who brought in a “major drug dealer”—dead or alive—received a bounty of one million baht ($US23,600).

But just who has been arrested or gunned down is unclear, as the allegations against those on the blacklists have not been tested in a court of law. Those whose names appeared had no way of finding out the nature of the accusations against them. Terrified of being framed up or shot dead, thousands opted to hand themselves in and submit to a course of boot-camp style rehabilitation.

Among those killed was a nine-year-old boy who was shot dead in late February. While undercover police were arresting his father, allegedly in a sting operation, his panic-stricken mother sped off in the family vehicle with the child on board. When police caught up with the car, the woman fled. Before opening the vehicle, the police fired into it at point-blank range killing the boy.

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comment 23
Piset date : 03/10/2009 time : 16.25
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Piset

I believe that armed personnel, that include police and armed force personnel should be subject to martial law when their committed crimes.
comment 22
Ian date : 03/10/2009 time : 10.19
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until about 50/60 years ago most class A drugs (modern definition), were not illegal in England, drugs such as heroin were in popular use by artists, poets and high society. As drugs became progressively banned the question arose as to how to deal with the hardened addict.
The solution was to have a voluntary register of drug users. I had a friend in the 60's who was entitled to a regular supply of cannabinol on prescription.
This would seem the way to go, a total ban drives the addict underground and into the arms of criminals.
The same method could be applied to smokers, controlled outlets for tobacco products and controlled places for their consumption when outside the home.
However, first governments would have to find another source of income to replace tobacco duties and taxes
comment 21
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 20.47
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Piset

I am still proposing that all officials involvement in the administration of law enforcement, and justice owuld be subjected to 3 times the normal penalties if their violate laws.
comment 20
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 20.13
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For smoking on some public property (not public places), a five day prison sentence sounds OK to me.
For drinking and driving, it should be automatic prison sentence.
comment 19
Plaadip date : 02/10/2009 time : 16.09

5 days in a jail!? if they smoke at gas stands or somewhere? But usually they just fine them, right?
comment 18
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.41
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Piset

Already, in a number of Chinese cities such as Chongqing, dor Dong Guan. Smoking in certain kind of public places would bring a penalaty of 5 days in jail!
comment 17
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.39
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Piset

In 1991-2, I had to take a shuttle bus for a two hours trip to the city of Shanghai from the hydrofoil's pier. The bus was old and not as big as the airconditioned buses these day. But siting 6 in a row, about 90% of those passenger smoke while in the bus. Thinkin gof how even one smoker in the next table in a restaurant becomes intolerable to me, I really could not imagine how I survived those days. By the way those buses were not air conditioned and all windows are chlosed because it was winter and the temperature outside was around 0 to - 5 Celcius.
comment 16
Plaadip date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.16

C15, no. It's a nightmare for me. I smoke and drink.
comment 15
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.15
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By the way, I don't drink alcohol or use other drugs, except that I smoke about ten cigarettes a week as a light social smoker, and I enjoy the odd cigar.
I just can't see how my personal decisions should be forced on others against their will, even if it made them healthier and their lives better.
comment 14
Plaadip date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.14

C10, Felix, They don't have to put such punishable a tax rate on Tobbacos, if the health concern for others is a cnetral issue. I am willing to accept the zoning regulations to protect non smokers.

Piset, I missed your C9, so you might not be a crusader.
comment 13
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.11
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Plaadip, re c.11,
Would you be happy for the law to be amended to throw you into prison for six months for your next cigarette or whisky? And for your third such offence to strike you out with a life sentence?
comment 12
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.10
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Piset, re c.9,
I agree. Narcotics are a personal choice, usually pretty stupid, but a choice for each person to make. It only becomes someone else's business in the minority of cases where the user then goes on to actually harm someone else, most often by driving their car into someone under the influence of alcohol, or bashing their spouse and children, again, most often under the influence of alcohol.
It's the drunk driving and the bashing that are crimes to be punished severely, not the people who enjoy a glass of wine with their dinner or a beer after work before getting the BTS home.
comment 11
Plaadip date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.08

Piset, so you are one of those antismoking crusaders. Sad.

I hate drugs because when a school kid I was brainwashed by governemnt TV commercials which kept saying whole day, "Quit drugs,? Or Quit being a human-being?" with a lot of scary images. And I don't feel a grude against the government. Felix's question caught me cold. because I have never thought of "the right to abuse our own body by narcotics " partly because this government campaign.I think that narcotics is an absolute evil. But actually I have been abusing my body by smoking, vaguely feeling non of other's business it it's my right, while I am happy to see my kids being brainwashed by the government on tobbaco in the same way as I was on amphetamines. Lief is full of contradictions.
comment 10
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 15.06
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Plaadip, re c.7,
You are of course correct. Both heroin and tobacco are highly addictive drugs. Both harm the users. The difference is that tobacco is more harmful to non-users in the vicinity than is heroin.
If it is not morally acceptable to gaol people for ten years for smoking a cigarette or to execute them for selling cigarettes, how could it be just to treat heroin users and sellers in that way? It is unfortunate that a very large majority of many societies still irrationally think there is some significnat difference that does justify such radically different treatment, but the people who thinnk that are rather weak on supporting their ideas by pointing out the relevant differences between heroin and tobacco.

Would you like to have a go? If you like, replace tobacco with alcohol, and replace heroin with marijuana.

It would appear that Abhisit's government, like every other Thai government, is also pretty evil when it comes to human rights abuses, except that it restricts its violations to popularly supported violations. Oops, but Taksin's wars on drugs were every bit as popular with the masses.
comment 9
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 13.38
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Piset

Narcotic is a person's choice for himself, while the human rights is the violation of other's rights.
comment 8
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 13.36
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Piset

plaadips:

30 years ago, Chuan Leekpai in a Parliamentary speech attacking the Lottery and Liquor Businesses of the government said something like this;

"If the excuses for the government running these habit buiilding evils of the people's lives, what is stopping the government from producing heroins and running its own casinos."

Since my first days in Thai teacher's training classes, I have suggested that lottery and the Thai civil service systems were the two biggest evils that have made the already lazy Thais in generals made no efforts to develop their own livelihood or vocational skills.

By my definitions there are "narcotics" to the body and "narcotics" to the mind.

The drugs, energy drinks,tobacco, liquors, pain relievers with heavy dose of caffeines, and those energy boosting potions are narcotic to the body. While lottery and the civil service systems with all the get something for nothing welfare systems are the narcotic to the souls.
comment 7
Plaadip date : 02/10/2009 time : 12.52

C5, Felix,wow, your view point is too drastic to be quickly answered by anybody. (at least I was caught off gurad.) But maybe you should talk about the defacto tobacco ban first. They might be actually going to ban it as a narcotic in the near future.
comment 6
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 11.26
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Many human rights abuses are committed in teh name of anti-drug campaigns. Can any of those human rights abuses be acceptable?
comment 5
FelixQui date : 02/10/2009 time : 11.24
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Piset,
I agree with you fully that "wars on drugs" are all unjust. But if Taksin's wars were unjust, if popular, as they were, what about other anti-drug programs that kill people? Can they be just?

Unfortunately, many people still think that it is OK to wage "wars on drugs" to stop people choosing whether or not to abuse their own bodies. Do you think that all of these wars are unjust, or that only Taksin's wars were unjust?
comment 4
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 10.48
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Piset

Steven:

OK, the court might give the benefits of doubts to the police in the case. But it is still a second degree murder. Wonder whether that policeman was ever prosecuted or investigated at all.
comment 3
Piset date : 02/10/2009 time : 10.47
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Piset

For further detail:

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/thai-m09.shtml
comment 2
Steven_ date : 02/10/2009 time : 10.44

It was a mistake by the police, thats for sure. They could not have acted so cold blooded to kill an innocent child.

The police in their self defence could have mistaken the child as a drug dealer. In that heat of that moment with fire shots being heard in the surrounding areas, they must have mistakenly taken the child as a drug dealer and fired the shot in self defence
comment 1
catch22 date : 02/10/2009 time : 09.29
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Piset - You write;

"his panic-stricken mother sped off in the family vehicle with the child on board. When police caught up with the car, the woman fled. Before opening the vehicle, the police fired into it at point-blank range killing the boy".

What is your source?
If the woman 'spedoff' and the police gave chase, then opened fire killing the boy at point blank range - then I presume only the police witnessed it....didn't they?

Or did they catch up to them in the middle of a crowded street?

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but who witnessed it.....'people'?
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