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Thursday , July 2 , 2009

1,000,000 Signatures From the Mostly Illiterates. What Could That Mean?

Posted by Piset , Reader : 865 , 14:25:07

Well, let's skip the Clemensy issue for the time being. Just imagine what could a million signature from mostly illiterate people mean? If Thaksin's pet people managed to collect 1,000,000 signature of the purportedly people approving andsupporting some issues at hand as proprosed by the Pets of Thaksin party, (PTP). If serious examination is conducted on those signature, we might discover something similar to the following: 550,000 fake signatures, 200,000 signatures from non-existing "persons", 200.000 from the illiterates, who simply could not read the statement attached to that signature, nor could they understand any political, economic, or social significance of what people tried to explain to them. 30000 signature from the underaged school students who thought it was just another TV game show, 19000 signatures from people who thought they could win a big draw prize by entering their signature and maybe 1000 genuine signature from members of the Pets of Thaksin party. Although the above fictitious number is unreal, however, any real collection of 1000000 signature of the PTP sympathizers or PTP paid signers would not bring much different message. Just an misuse of the poor illiterate people. We could easily explain the motive behind any such drive with the Physical Science theory of motion. Once an act in this manner is started, it would continue forever unless there are something to slow it down or to stop it.

Well, let's skip the Clemensy issue for the time being. Just imagine what could a million signature from mostly illiterate people mean?

If Thaksin's pet people managed to collect 1,000,000 signature of the purportedly people approving andsupporting some issues at hand as proprosed by the Pets of Thaksin party, (PTP). If serious examination is conducted on those signature, we might discover something similar to the following:

550,000 fake signatures, 200,000 signatures from non-existing "persons", 200.000 from the illiterates, who simply could not read the statement attached to that signature, nor could they understand any political, economic, or social significance of what people tried to explain to them. 30000 signature from the underaged school students who thought it was just another TV game show, 19000 signatures from people who thought they could win a big draw prize by entering their signature and maybe 1000 genuine signature from members of the Pets of Thaksin party.

Although the above fictitious number is unreal, however, any real collection of 1000000 signature of the PTP sympathizers or PTP paid signers would not bring much different message. Just an misuse of the poor illiterate people.

We could easily explain the motive behind any such drive with the Physical Science theory of motion. Once an act in this manner is started, it would continue forever unless there are something to slow it down or to stop it.

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comment 99
Piset date : 18/07/2009 time : 13.25
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Piset

ND:

At this point, the red mercenaries could care less about the laws, tradition, reasons, fact or even sanity. All that they care fore is the fulfillment of the "order" from the convicted and sentenced criminal who is so despeerate to stay outside the jail during the last year of his life.

comment 98
notdisappointed date : 17/07/2009 time : 17.31

ali 89, it's not aquestion of 1,000,000 it's a question of is it appropriate and proper in light that there is no estblished protocol.

It' then becomes an intrusion upon HMK and he is unable to sign of consider since it would be against his role under a constitutional monarchy.

comment 97
Piset date : 10/07/2009 time : 14.36
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HJ:

Maybe Brunei need the Thug to help them get a little poorer because Brunei is just too rich.

comment 96
happyjack date : 10/07/2009 time : 14.02

Yes,you can come back,and live in Issan, or Lao, same thing.

comment 95
happyjack date : 10/07/2009 time : 13.58

Im amazed Phoney Man hasn't received an Invitation to Brunei.

comment 94
Piset date : 10/07/2009 time : 10.46
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Alien:

Correction, it should have been Dubai, rather than Bubai. Now tht may have to change to Fiji, or may be, Alcataz, next.

comment 93
Alien date : 10/07/2009 time : 11.40
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Sory about 108. Something happened and I lost connection with this site while sending comment. I asked Who is Bubai. Is it another name for Thaksin. Also, they don't have to feed 1,000,000 people. I am sure they are not getting the thumbprints at one rally or at a restaurant. My point is that the petition can be denied with the reasoning, "What, I'm supposed to bend over for 2% of the people and ignore the other 98%?" A very defensible position.

comment 92
Alien date : 10/07/2009 time : 11.35
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Hello Piset. Who is Bu

comment 91
Piset date : 09/07/2009 time : 13.45
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Piset

Alien:

You are right and wrong.

Yes, 1,000,000 our of 65 million is no big deal. However, for those crawlers of feeding off Bubai's leftovers, 1,000,000 may mean many meals for many days, 25% pay off to the signers or the couterfeiters, 75% for the organizers. That's a big deal.

comment 90
Piset date : 09/07/2009 time : 13.19
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Piset

Ha_Ha:

I have to try to be more helpful to you since, from the latest series of your writings, I could noticed how disturbed you have become now.

You can't even read any answer from my answer to you.

God Blesses You.

comment 89
Alien date : 09/07/2009 time : 10.08
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I don't see what all the fuss is about 1,000,000 signatures. If the king wants to sign it, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. 1,000,000 is still less than 2% of the population.

comment 88
happyjack date : 09/07/2009 time : 09.30

Oh, i am not impressed by attacks on the Nations Staff,they give us all a Podium on which to Babble.

comment 87
happyjack date : 09/07/2009 time : 09.24

I read Ha Ha once, a Menopausal Mess,best describes its rantings.

comment 86
Piset date : 09/07/2009 time : 08.31
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Piset

Ha_ha:

For heaven sake! Very honestly and very truly, you are sounding more and more like that fugitive criminal, Thug-sin. If you don't believe this, try watching some of his latest VDO clips.

To affirm my position, I have nothing against you as you are gradually changing from a political debater into a clown!.

comment 85
Al date : 09/07/2009 time : 02.24
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HA_HA, don't mind...

He's not able to see the incompatibility between an insult and the truth (c84). Both can hurt and that makes him thinking that both could be the same. But an insult needs someone with an evil intention behind it - whilst the truth is independent of any human intentions. This wrong thinking makes him able to insult and telling at the same time that this is ''the truth''. - A sign of extreme ideological immunization.

Why should he be able to see the difference in your case?

comment 84
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 19.55
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Politians in the U. S. don't lie. They "mis-spoke!"

comment 83
Piset date : 08/07/2009 time : 19.04
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Piset

Ha_hs:

Nice try! So, now you ae claiming that you have presented some untruthful things not because you were a liar but because you have misunderstood something?

That's quite interesting explanation. So, why don't you try clearing up your misunderstandings. Unless and until you find out what is true what is un true, you really cannot claim to be misunderstanding.

comment 82
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 07.11
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Commebnt 85 - Hello Ian - I think it may be because Thaksin's side have basically hijacked the issue. They claim that no one but him cared about the poor, or helped them, etc. etc. The Democrats do the same with the Blacks and Hispanics in the U. S. I think that it is a strategy used by politicians and it does include "divide and conquer."

comment 81
netnapit date : 08/07/2009 time : 01.48
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c81, Khun expresso, just to be clear, I am not pro-T. At the same time, I can't say he doesn't exist, even if I would prefer if he did not. I also cannot overlook that fact that a lot of Thai people support him for whatever reason. I don't think dividing people into camps will help work out our political issues.

Khun Piset, thanks for relinking back. I was going to give up checking back when I couldn't find an easy way to get to the blog. You can also have your blog history (left hand side of the page) to show headings instead of dates, I attempted twice looking through that and gave up.

I think we generally gave up on Nation Staff long time ago.

comment 80
Piset date : 08/07/2009 time : 01.43
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Piset

Ha_ha:

c 76

Whether or not you are a liar or not depends on whether you have presented untruthful or unproven matters as truth or insinuating those to be truth. Your liking or disliking does not change your status as a presenter of falsehoods, thus, a liar.

comment 79
Piset date : 08/07/2009 time : 01.37
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Piset

Ian:

Quote:

"I wonder why it is that when you support the rights and dignity of poor country folk, some people immediately assume that one is supporting Thaksin. "

You know very well, what you have written as quote is exactly the opposite of the truth.

By abusing the poor rural folks' disadvantageous condition, coercing them, threaten then, tricked them, fool them, lied to them, schemed on them, herded them around simply do not amount to what you mentioned to be:

"support the rights and dignity of poor country folk."

That's what I called counterfeiting the mandate with fictitious popularity through the uses of falsehoods by Thaksin.

comment 78
Ian date : 07/07/2009 time : 07.41
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I wonder why it is that when you support the rights and dignity of poor country folk, some people immediately assume that one is supporting Thaksin. They must have a blinkered mentality.

comment 77
Piset date : 07/07/2009 time : 07.19
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Piset

Al, Netnapit:

Strange as it might appear, truth does hurt. That's the reason so many have grown accustomed to equating the mentioning of some truth as insults. In fact truth does not insult anyone, it is the inferiority nature of the person that always turns such truth in to an insulted perception.

comment 76
Al date : 07/07/2009 time : 03.54
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Netnapit, c 80
Thank you very much, Netnapit, for your clarifying words. It's good to hear a voice not using insults and not condescending against people of different heritage. I find this situation here so depressing. In a ruptured society we should contribute to build bridges and not try to deepen the trenches. Thanks!

comment 75
expresso date : 07/07/2009 time : 01.19
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Every god-damn PC comments made are being capitalized by the lapdogs of the sq face.

comment 74
expresso date : 07/07/2009 time : 01.16
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netapit, I know you are not pro-T, but just accept that Khun Piset is not a PC person that you would like to see. But don't doubt that Khun Piset is not a Thai! Personally I like yabua's style.

comment 73
netnapit date : 07/07/2009 time : 00.52
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c64, Khun Piset, thanks for clarifying what your meaning of literacy is. The common meaning of literacy still is basically just the ability to read and write.

Some people here suggested "political illiteracy", I find that even more condescending since the ability to negotiate with power is natural and does not require literacy. It just needs a natural sense of self.

I would be less offended if for example the word 'uneducated' were used, but that would be classist. Let's just say I don't like pigeon holing.

I would agree with another commentor's view that gathering a million signatures can be complicated matter. People will sign up for different reasons, and to gather a million signatures is not that easy. They'd have to be authenticated to count legally won't they? I'd be more curious to know what exactly is the parliamentary procedure or the constitutional court guidelines for authenticating such a petition.

I think that our political impasse can move forward if we all take care to be politically constructive, creative and positive wording goes a long way.

I recently read an interview of Khun Korn, the finance minister. He distinguished the difference between the southern voters and NE voters as the southerners being more ideological and the NE more budget savy. Now that I thought was what makes him not just a technocrat but a thoughtful politician.

As for the signature of 1million, well, you can call me politically uneducated, but I think it was just talk, won't really accomplish much.

comment 72
Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 23.14
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I have been told that the western concept of a signature, an often incomprehensible scribble, does not exist in Thai.

comment 71
maverick263 date : 06/07/2009 time : 23.14

@ piset, c.64:

maybe i'd be allowed to say...

a human being

isn't "scored" by tests. be these of intelligence, literacy, ability to mate eat move around, indulge in whatever folly that arises in mind.

you said you had some ideas i guess you'd call "for the benefit" of all. is there anyone on this earth... who would not claim the same? except the really karmic handicapped ones?

leave people alone, piset.

in more cases than not they'll do what's needed for sustenance to be alive.

i said it before... uprising of commons is happening worldwide. it's nature. maybe... when it's over... who knows?

enjoy buddhist lent na :-)

comment 70
bzzzzzBee date : 06/07/2009 time : 16.21
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Piset ... what's the going rate for a signature? i'm up for grabs .... if they want to "donate" THB 500 to my coffers ... can a farang put down his signature?

comment 69
happyjack date : 06/07/2009 time : 08.34

Anyone who doesnt live amongst them,and relies on Childhood Memories would say that

comment 68
Piset date : 06/07/2009 time : 07.21
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Piset

Ian:

Quote:

Netnapit says, many of them are intelligent, even educated thinkers.

Agree! By "many" you meant more than one. You are right. I could see a few of intelligent and well educated thinkers who do support Thaksin in many aspects, yourself for one, may be that Dr. Gile Ungpakorn for another. That's many already.

comment 67
Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 05.32
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wch, 72. This is the reverse in England, here I can challenge the judiciary as a collective body, I cannot do the same to an individual judge, although I can challenge his rulings.

comment 66
wch date : 06/07/2009 time : 05.06

Whatsoever they are, a million illiterates or literates petitions, the bundle of papers will be ended up into the hands of Chief of the maximum prison.
Only the chief can start the first step of amnesty, but for only one who is in prison.

This is the law.

Thaksin case, he must be tried extra, denial of the last court trial, that will cost him another 2 years jail and,,,,pending cases of 18, the one may add third 2 years,,,,all together 20-30 years.

Nopochor leaders now make grave mistakes. They publicly announced,
"Thaksin did not make any mistake"
"The judicial system is wrong. The judgement is wrong".

This is the formal challenge to the judicial branch, a crime. They can be arrested.

comment 65
Al date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.37
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68, perhaps politically literate would be a better usage?

comment 64
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.09

66, still none of your concern nor are you party to what they think.

You just want badly to SUERK in everybody's business. You must be very lonely.

comment 63
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.07

steven(sin) they're actually are trying to belittle you metaphorically. Do you understand now donkey brians?

comment 62
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.05

Ian, I said you 'favor' not 'belong' to the former. I wouldn't use such a word knowing what your stance is and your perchance to play the devil's advocate.

But recently you've been playing the devil's advocate with questions that align with the pro-thaksin camp. I've not heard such comments from you that might be considered close to the anti-thaksin camp. Am I clear now?

And BTW, netnapit didn't say that she was referring to the literacy rate and how those one million are not illiterate.

Netnapit; perhaps politically illiterate would be a better usage?

comment 61
Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.28
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ND, 59. Here you point out the constant mistake that you and your fellow travellers make, you say that I belong to the group which is " anti-coup/pro-thaksin", your words.
Why is it that you find it impossible for a person to be both anti-coup and anti-Thaksin?
It is the same with the way the reds are perceived, they are not all anti-coup/pro-thaksin; as Netnapit says, many of them are intelligent, even educated thinkers.

comment 60
Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.49
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ND c58
No problem. Up to you. Allow me one question: Did you ask those affected by your "joke"?

comment 59
Piset date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.07
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Piset

Steve:

Sorry, I never have equated anybody with the brains of the Guizhou as-ses (donkeys). I only used that Chinese proverb to reflect the simplicity and monotonous manners of the action and claims of those pets of the thugs.

comment 58
Piset date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.05
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Khun Netnapit:

I do mean what I have written, most of those one million signatures would come from the illiterates, ignorances or, otherwise, completely forged.

On the issue of literacy rate in Thailand. Respectfully, I heard also since my dear child hood how high Thai literacy rate was. However, as an academic to an academic, may I ask: "Are you sure those 98% Thais according to the statistics are really 'literate'?"

Furthermore, when I mention literate, I certainly do not mean the mere ability to read gor gai, khor khai, etc, rather the ability to comprehend those basic infomation and economic element in their lives. I have push for consumer economic as a part of compulsory education since 1973 in Thailand for the reason of improving the general citizen's economic literacy which would arm them for better consumership and political citizenship.

In this sense, you may have to agree that up to 80%, perhpas higher, of those would be signers of the movement at hand are really "illiterates" in any real life senses.

As an educator, it is my belief that telling the nation the painful and maybe insulting truth is an academic's duty while lying or faking or being ignorant about that would be a disservice to the nation and the people.

comment 57
Steven_ date : 05/07/2009 time : 22.52

Yes there are some ways to fool some illiterates but there is no way you can fool 1 million illiterates

You just cannot insult their intelligence because they have those 1,000,000 reasons at hand of which you are just ignorant of the complexity of it.

Whether they are thugs or Guizhou donkey, simplicity or complexity, how can one be so ignorant of these 1 millions or be precise 14 million rights that have been taken away wrongly and forcibly.

Confucius said, a millions miles journey starts with the first step. A millions signatures starts with the first signature.

Piset you have started that first step for the Guizhou donkey when you insulted his intelligence because he understand that you cannot fool him because of his illiteracy because he has intelligence. So he has taken that first step.

Likewise you were fooled into believing that without your one signature the Guizhous donkey could not take that first step but indeed it has.
They will be laughing all the way to Dubai and HMK with those 1,000,000 signatures.

Please don’t belittle the Guizhous donkey

comment 56
netnapit date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.24
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Just wanted to register my protest against the wording of this blogpost's heading.

It makes me painfully aware that Thailand doesn't need foreign enemies, we have enough internally when so many of us have such a low opinion of their own countrymen. To group a million people flippantly together as illiterate (no matter for what purpose) is so irresponsibly condescending.

For your reference, here is Thailand's literacy rate:
http://www.ilo.org/public/english/region/asro/bangkok/skills-ap/skills/thailand_literacy.htm

They've been in the higher 90%s for some time.

comment 55
noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.35
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comment 60
There hasn't been a good joke on this site for two years; are you trying to make one!

comment 54
happyjack date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.14

Jokes . ?.I like Cultured Jokes,as told by the late Bernard Manning.Hes my P. C. Hero.Another Academic is Roy Chubby Brown.Jim Bowen was a Teacher.All on U Tube.

comment 53
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 20.55

Ian; yes there are sides to everything. We can debate ad infinitum but it all comes down to anti-thaksin and anti-coup/pro-thaksin. I see no reason to go the 'whole hog' with maxwell and pj in their arm-chair radicalism and one-sided angst brought forth from their political frustrations. It's the coup!!

You favor the latter and speak rationally on their behalf; I am in the former and I can either speak articulately and rationally or sarcastically and denigrating as the retort/person/subject requires. In this I am perfectly myself not needing to be a Thanong or a PX.

comment 52
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 20.50

Al, firstly You are not a part of the joke it wasn't directed at you and you don't have to butt in. In Thai we call this "SUERK".

Secondly, I don't believe you. I just gave you examples and I haven't heard squat for you for any of those remarks or comments that already occurred.

Thirdly, your tricks no longer work for me. Try it on someone else. I've found you out and I bet that you will now go along without connivance with the side of your choice.

comment 51
Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 20.30
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there seems to be this constant desire to neatly pigeonhole people into opposing camps, I suppose it is human nature. I have known Piset, Peacefulness, wch and Expresso for several years now. I rarely debate with them on politics because I know it is a waste of time. I have also known people like Max, Pomjoc, yuri and Patriot for a long time, I can debate with them, agree and disagree, they are not so dogmatic.
Now we have newcomers, some ardent females, ND, BR, Krajog, HA_HA, Al, Steve, Alien, HJ etc. They seem fairly equally divided in their views but some support them much more aggressively, they remind me of Lalida

I suppose in time the newcomers will sort themselves out and agree to disagree, just like Piset and myself.
Until then I think this blogsite should not be the "nation" blogsite, but the "Dissunited" blog site.

comment 50
Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.30
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ND, c55
First. No, I'm not obsessed with you. Don't think that.

Second. You are right with jokes – they are depending of our mutual understanding. It's just this: I am doubting that all participant understood it as a joke. Pls ask them!

Third. I don't regard you as naive or stupid – you know how to answer. But if this makes you feel better: Be assure I would support you as well if I would see something similar happening to you. Despite our differences you are not unsympathetic for me – as long as you are playing fair.

comment 49
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.01

Al c48, although I should be flattered by your obsession with me I would appreciate if you try not to be so obvious. Instead of the distance between us becoming less your fixation with me is untoward. There are certain matters that have nothing to do whatsoever with you and it’s not important for you to get involved.

A joke can be between two people who are conversing together, who understand each other points; no third party who isn’t involved should get involved. Your concern is not warranted here and is not appreciated. In Thai, we call it ‘suerk’.

One further point because of your fixation focusing on me you failed once again to see those other bloggers whose jokes also do not lead to debate or discussion. You as usual having just a focus on me overlooked your friends’ 55 witty jokes at my expense when he calls me ‘misthepoint’ or br’s mention of me being of prozak and meds; or that the two of them are siding with eeacj other; “Anyway, it's ok to be drunk if it helps you teasing mr. MisThePoint better.”; or hermando’s attacks on me e.g. “ND, you are either naive,stupid. Or both ? “

I had thought you above that but you continue to show me that you have chosen sides and choose not to be neutral or an observer; “sure it's a quite an insulting headline....
It's the style they like”. To observe one must observe all and understand what it is that makes people do or think the way they do, BEFORE making a one-sided comment. Your remarks that you don’t know but want to learn; smacks of hypocrisy and your innocence and neutrality is contrived. And of course your friends that you support will now come in to defend you.

Wait and see.

comment 48
Piset date : 05/07/2009 time : 17.58
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Piset

Ha_Ha:

The more you write the more you have reflected the typical nonsenses from the thug's training camps, namely, groundless accusations, pesty counter charges with unfounded claims against evidences against the thugs that has already been scruntinised and accepted by the courts of laws.

Certainly, these ways are quite easy enough to fool those illiterates which "the thug" has claimed to be supporting him.

Everything you have written thus far was both typical and quite predictable. That, has proved many of your lies. Then, again, for Thug's Pets, lies are the rule rather than the exception.

It is time that Thais wake up and get rid of the thug along with all of his supporters. This is Thailand and not a thug's land.

Yes, you will offer a challenge to see who would win in a general election. We will see, once the people have received the information as they should have.

comment 47
Its_Kant date : 05/07/2009 time : 17.21
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Look@yourself before judging me

The Mathematics don't lie
seeking 1 million signatures
out of apx 63 million Thai citizens should rather be a ease.

Now to determine their accountability
and or was pay offered for the so called thumb prints and X marks..?

1 million compared too apx. 62 other million not taking thaksins bait ???

GRASPING STRAWS ?

comment 46
wch date : 05/07/2009 time : 12.10

Anyway, they will not do the business, 1 mln signing stuff. steam out already and so is this blog.

comment 45
Piset date : 05/07/2009 time : 11.31
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Piset

Ha_ha":

You are as free as anyone to refer to anybody as anything you so convinced to be, in accordance to your own level of insightness and intelligence. No problem about that. It neve hurt to be called "a nut" by a nut or to be call "a woof" by the "woofers."

Here is the definition of "pet" from the wikipedia for consideration:

1) A pet is an animal kept for companionship and enjoyment or a household animal, as opposed to
2
) livestock, laboratory animals, working animals . . . . . .

3) The most popular pets are noted for their loyal or playful characteristics,

4) for their attractive appearance, or for their song.

Under these 4 types pets, evidence from their conducts have reviewed that members of the DAAD fit into definition 2 and 3 quite precisely.

Now, when you want to call others pet of something, would you please explain which category those persons might fit into.

Here is a quotation from your comment which is characterized by blanklet and groundless counter accusations of others just for the sake of accusing, as typical of the Thaksin's mindless pets. If you can present some material or significant grounds or cases to substantiate any of your statements as quoted, cetainly, I would be willing to change my view of you along with my earnest apology.

Quote from you:

"Do you think people who support Thaksin could be those who fed up with Sondhi's lie, Abhisith performance,"

Here, you are putting the carriage in front of the horse.

How can the supporters of Thug + sin do so for the causes you claim, when the "causes" actually came after the "sins" that the "Thug" had committed?

Quote:

" those who prefer Thaksin's policy and decisiveness"

If you call the attempt to destroy all the check and balance system of the democratic institution "decisiveness" that's your wisdom. Incidentally, evidences showing the "Thug's" acts to get corruptive and unlawful personal gains and to prevent any examination, or questionsing has piled up as mountains as the "Thug" has yet to disprove any of these evidences." Decisiveness, yes, utmostly decidedly dirty and crooked.

Quote:

" those who can't stand 'double standard' justice system, those who want real democracy "

Double standards? The constitution that 'the Thug" violated is the same one that had been in place before and served to elected him to his office. So, can you point out what and where "discrepencies" in the enforcements to fit the "double stanard" as claimed by you? The only double standards under any law is a standard of normal living for law abiding citizen and a standard for jailing for the criminals. Your dear thug fit into the latter.

Quote:

"... not only those who get paid by Thaksin or
THAKSIN PET?""

Definitely, those pets I fed with my pet food are my pets. Those being fed by Thaksin are certainly Thaksin's pets.

Any doubts?

Whatever you may prefer, whoever you may support it doest not change the ground rule of the democratic free society that people must be able to be given free accesses to full relevant education and information. People may exercise their freedom and their rights only when it does not impair other's freedom and others rights.

Just as mentioned before. You do not have the right to drive a car until you can prove your competency about operating a car under the traffic rules and the safety rules. Otherwise, you may impairs others rights and freedom with your driving.

If people may have all the rights to all the things unconditionally, then that is what I have called for years

DEMO-CRAZY NOT DEMOCRACY

comment 44
Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 11.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

c36, c42
Sorry that I'm interfering into your matter. But I think this shouldn't go without comment. To set someone on other bloggers is simply an extraordinary bad style.

''a joke'' – what kind of joke within an atmosphere ruled by aggressivity and sarcasm? I am doubting that the author is able to make jokes. I can't remember one. Or do you see sarcasm as joke?

''to get Kant ... onto one more deserving of his attention. I'd've thought that they would be good for each other. And leave the rest of us alone. '' - That shows more the intention and gives more insight in this kind of thinking: Thinking to be better and to have the right to exclude others. But – if I am allowing myself to be open - I can't see any reason justifying such an exclusion of ND's antagonists.

comment 43
happyjack date : 05/07/2009 time : 10.47

Kant is just showing us where he keeps his manners.He can also talk through it.

comment 42
Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 02.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND, 42, accepted

HA_HA, 43. The gesture is called doing a "mooney", popular with football fans on the way from matches.

comment 41
Piset date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.56
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

In many ways, like the donkey of Guizhou, as mentioned, the 1,000,000 signature idea is yet another prove of both the simplicity of Pets of Thaksin and how they disrespect laws, truth or the people. Simply fake anything they could think of just fo fill the aims they wish to achieve.

Looking back into the Asian history, there have been many instances of those traitors of a nation employing either savage or falsifying tactics in their last attempts to rise from the ashes. What has been uniformly true throughout history is that these fateful offenders of human history could never win and always buried themselves faster and firmer with those tactics.

comment 40
notdisappointed date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.09

Just a joke Ian, to get Kant off of your back and onto one more deserving of his attention.

I'd've thought that they would be good for each other. And leave the rest of us alone.

comment 39
Ian date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.00
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Al, 39. The words one uses are often an insight into the mind of the user

comment 38
Ian date : 04/07/2009 time : 20.58
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND,36. To turn to that person for support has greatly diminished my respect for you, you seem of late to be becoming as rabid as the people who support your position. I guess it is an infection, these blogs are just degenerating into slagging matches.

comment 37
Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.40
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

HA_HA,
sure it's a quite an insulting headline....
It's the style they like

comment 36
Piset date : 04/07/2009 time : 19.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Look at it this way, the 1,000,000 signature idea is not any novel invention. Rather, it is a direct deriverative of a school of thought that start from the discovery of how a fictitious popular mandate can be manufactured by means of bribery, threat, cheats, forgeries. Once that kind of fabricated "voices" of the people can be produced for local elections, the applications of similar means have been explored, such as, the fictitious mass rally gathered through similar doctored means.

Now, perhaps, those who has managed to gain in certain aspects of the political game would certainly not surprised any one, when they dreamed up the uses of that similar ficitious "popular supports" for the completely illegal and outrageous causes.

comment 35
notdisappointed date : 04/07/2009 time : 13.36

kant, I said to you once that there are other people more deserving of your comments; steven(sin) is one of them, the other 55.

Go get them!

comment 34
notdisappointed date : 04/07/2009 time : 12.30

exp & px, steven(sin) is in denial and has always been. He slavers at the feet of thaksin his DOG.

He runs in what we call a 'pack'. That is a pack of hyenas that attack the weak and helpless with their vicious venal comments and heckling.

You will get used to his antics with his new-found friends here. You've already mentioned who they might be already in another post. The only thing is; they are better coordinated while we are not.

comment 33
peacefulness date : 04/07/2009 time : 09.15
nationmultimedia.com

expresso C32--another newcomer with perfect chinese?????????

comment 32
Its_Kant date : 04/07/2009 time : 01.45
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/KANTSPAGE
Look@yourself before judging me

As the Facts prevail:
63 million citizens in Thailand(apx.)

attempt too get 1 million signatures to agree
a convicted fugitive of law be granted amnesty?

How much is being offered per signature by the Thaksin Camp s vital missing info in this decision

comment 31
expresso date : 04/07/2009 time : 00.22
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

peacefulness, I think ys lai may be a Hong Konger. Steven is a Malaysian (Chinese). ys lai's English is much better than Steven's.

Steven is a Malaysian who deals in fruit and vegetable business with Thailand. So, he probably deals with CP. And you know CP of its political affiliation. One time I suspected Steven was working for the Thai Malaysian (or Malaysian Thai) who had a dealing with the sq face.

Anyhow, Steven likes to exploit half-truth to the fullest and tell full lies whenever opportunities arise. He apparently saw an opportunity to get in here again.

comment 30
Piset date : 03/07/2009 time : 23.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Thais have got good reason to thank DEAD (DAAD) for bringing up the issue of 1,000,000 signatures. It is a warning message against those Thais who hve been intoxicated or insane about "democrazy." It is a warning about how can such a concept of one person one voice be exploited to its extreme when the societal structure simply possess no such wide spread grasp of the meaning nor the impact of the exercising of such voices.

It is an illustrative case that may have been schemed by some anti-democracy elements to show us how easy it is to push those disadvantaged citizen around at the wish of those thug heads.

This case should be carefully monitored, followed, recorded and presented to the next legislative body as an evidence against any immediate application of those OMOV system in our, admittedly, backward, undereducated, under-disciplined, under-responsible, society.

comment 29
peacefulness date : 03/07/2009 time : 22.24
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comment27--

steven>ys lai>steven>ys lai???????

失之东隅，收之桑榆 lose at sunrise, win at sunset.........

comment 28
wch date : 03/07/2009 time : 21.53

If a donkey come to Guizhou, it becomes a mule, the fittest to the rocky mountain range.

It seems like a battle between an elite carvalry and a farmer's mule rangers.

comment 27
Steven_ date : 03/07/2009 time : 20.38

My true colour is the truth, concern and compassionate for the 1,000,000 million thumb print nomatter how illiterate they are. Yes the Guizhou donkey may not be that skillful but than with 失之东隅，收之桑榆 many millions thumbprints will finally see the daylight instead of being suppressed for being so long. Go to the Nation Forum blog and see WDS next comment, maybe you will understand but I doubt so, for someone born with a silver spoon from a technocrat would understand.

comment 26
peacefulness date : 03/07/2009 time : 18.09
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khun piset C23--- i take the liberty just to translate the chinese proverb
黔驴技穷 qián lǘ jì qióng

no more tricks, no more abilities, no more knowledge, no more credits, no more thinkings........... At One's Wit's End.

comment 25
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 16.55

Pisset,as a kid a Doctor meant exactly that.One you could Trust. Nowadays the title has little meaning, or respect. E.G. Dr Thaksin. Dr Ian Paisley just to name a few.Reminds me of my G.Grandfather who hyphenated the Family name to make himsef sound important.He was a short arse as well.

comment 24
Piset date : 03/07/2009 time : 16.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Yes, no schooling does not automatically make a person stupid and a Ph D might simply lead one to become one of the sorriest, most corrupt and most disappointed person in recent world history. Did I mention any name. Hope not.

comment 23
Piset date : 03/07/2009 time : 16.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Steve:

The more you wrote, the more you are showing your true color. Who said anything about people from the north? Who mentioned anything about any PhD. I only had the "doc" never got the "tor" by the way. That's why my web name is mahwat thai.

Your quite predictable pattern of twisting every topic to your old familiar subject would remind me of the old Chinese story about the donkeys or the Guizhou provices. That story gave rise to the Chinese expression (黔驴技穷）。 Somebody around here will certainly be delighted to help you translate this.

Experts, please.

comment 22
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 15.08

Remember an Education doesn't make you more intelligent,and a PHD makes you dafter.The Gormless Gonad has spoken.

comment 21
wch date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.50

signature campaign of anti-amnesty

I wrote this last night and found today there is a movement of this.
Common sense always works well.

People that are lured to sign seem to feel uncomfortable. Day 2 campaign turns dull, that is today. Tommorrow will see it further and
next week it goes off. I think.

comment 20
Steven_ date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.49

Piset, Remember this, without an education does not means they are less intelligence. Likewise with a PHD does not make you any smarter than them. Their thumb print is for them to keep and for whom they wish to stamp by and on their intelligence.

Likewise what significant could 1 million signatures from mostly literate means when they could not civilly upheld the results of a Constitutionally elected government by popular votes but rather opt for an uncontitutional government by coup.

comment 19
notdisappointed date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.34

c10 see c12.

As I said the reds are poliicizing it and will put HMK in a 'distressed postion'. The reds followers don't understand the law nor the protocols and depend on the alf truths and true lies from their red leaders who are doing their cause a disservice.

By doing this they will be setting 1,000,000 petitoners who don't know the repercussions of their actions against a Royal amnesty that can't be given since the proper protocols haven't been folowed. Who loses the 1,000,000 or HMK?

Think about the subtlety of thaksin and is nominees' actions. Now consider who is perpetuating this divisiveness.

comment 18
Steven_ date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.28

Comment 16 : What does it tell society when you just jump to conclusion that the 1,000,000 would sacrifice their thumb print for a few buck. One who is illiterate may be smarter than one who is a technocrat and won`t just settle for that few buck like you think. You have already underestimate yourself as well as the intelligence of the northern people.

comment 17
notdisappointed date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.28

Yuri, please expand on my naivity or stupidity. What is it that I am accused of. Your ignorance or one-sided angst. What is it that you want to prove? In what situation or context.

Just to say someone is stupid or naive without giving a reason is quite childish. Is that what they do in Peru?

comment 16
Piset date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.08
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Piset

Hey Floks:

Ain't there somebody being overly sensitive or overly off tracked?

I said what significant could 1 million signature from mostly illiterate ( that is those "know nothing" people" meant to a society of 65 millions most of which have completed compulsory education.

Did I mention Royal Pardon? I did not? So, Let's leave the King out of this blog's discussion.

Ian is right in that, under the current system, Thai King normally served only as a ceremonial purposes upon the decision of the cabinet members, except for those Royal Projects, which never involve any politics or any criminals or their clemensies.

Yes, you can collect 1,000,000 finger print, or collect one million thumbs from those people who might even be willing to sacrifice their right thumbs in return for a few bucks from Dubai.

What does it tell the society however? It simply is a show of the stupifying of certain sectors of the population who needs education, iformation rather that exploitations.

comment 15
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 10.21

Thats the Whole Bloody Point.These five minute Ferang Farts will argue they can all Write.Unless Print Scanning is available,no smart card.There is no Shame in a Thumb Print, it belittles the Education System,nothing more.

comment 14
wch date : 03/07/2009 time : 03.30

Thumb print is indeed a passport in the Isan.
Even in village fund and in banks, it works !
Thaksin's smart card doesn't work yet. They must 'fill up' in the form and the a million cards !
*
AV " His amnesty depends on the department of correction".
It is crystal clear.
This can be a pretext for Newin party to shake AV government when the sign book is ready.
Newin will play, betray back and forward, and
finally culled by third hand, to jail.

comment 13
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 01.03

It was not my intention to be funny about Thumb Prints..When Signatures were mentioned it reminded me of Thaksins Vote Buying in Issan. I was sitting in the Polling Tent Drinking Beer with some Cops,and the Ink Pad Ran Out.Those who could operate i Biro were called forward.Eventually a Pad was found.Thought nothing of it at the time.You are not supposed to Drink,but if it was Dry,only 5% of Issan males would turn up.

comment 12
peacefulness date : 03/07/2009 time : 00.36
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Ian comment 10----

Just fyi---pls refer thai constitution 2007 section 191 “Section 191. The King has the prerogative to grant a pardon.”
Thai version of section 191 มาตรา ๑๙๑ พระมหากษัตริย์ทรงไว้ซึ่งพระราชอำนาจในการพระราชทานอภัยโทษ
There are two kinds of royal pardons in Thailand.
One is the individual pardon, a convicted prisoner or family member may petition the King through the justice minister, as indicated in Section 259 of the Criminal Procedure Code. Another is the collective royal pardon, granted through royal decree to a group of offenders and enacted during certain significant occasions. Such as king’s /queen’s birthdays……..
Under normal condition or traditionally the convicted prisoners have to serve the sentence for a certain period of time first, before petition can be done for royal pardon. Those fugitive criminals who have NOT served the sentence will NOT be able to petition for royal pardon. As mentioned above the signature collecting by UDD the redshirts for royal pardon for fugitive criminal Thaksin Shinnawatra is extremely inappropriate.

Normal procedure for petition for royal pardon : petition to prison authority> the Department of Corrections> the Ministry of Justice>the Office of the Prime Minister>Office of the Privy Council and to His Majesty the King respectively.

comment 11
Alien date : 02/07/2009 time : 23.27
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/alien

If they are using thumbprints, imagine the difficulty in uncovering those that sign multiple times.

Reviewer: "Wait a minute, haven't I seen that thumbpring before? (to assistants); Go through those boxes of petitions and see if you can match up that thumb!"

comment 10
Ian date : 02/07/2009 time : 23.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND, Ignore whether such signatures would be real or fake, can you explain why it is immoral or illegal? As I understand it most nations with a Monarch, absolue or constitutional, have the concept of a "Royal Petition". where it is a constitutional Monarchy the acceptance or rejection is usually done under government advisement.
Now I believe until 1932 there was an established protocol that any thai citizen had the right to petition the King, has this ever been revoked or modified.
So what I am asking, (I do not know), is a Royal petition in Thailand illegal, or simply a possible embarrassment.

comment 9
Hermano_Lobo date : 02/07/2009 time : 22.10
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Piset,

You signed then ?

ND, you are either naive,stupid. Or both ?

comment 8
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 20.39

I think some literates will start on signature campaign of anti-amnesty but in number they could not win the counter part because,
This is Thailand....

comment 7
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.50

steven you gonad, it's not a question of 1,000,000 illiterates adding their thumbprints to an unfortunate petition.

It's that the petition itself is improper and done with impropriety. It is undertaken against all protocol and established 'legal' form.

It places HMK in a distressed position deigning to provide a Royal amnesty or not to. It then pits 1,000,000 people who have no sense that they are in effect 'forcing' HMK into an action against all reasonableness and rationality. It is the naive and gullible who have been manipulated to drag HMK into a political and persoanl situation.

All of this is done for your master thaksin the serial liar; you gonad.

And don't think to try to say you know me and that I would ever agree with your half truths and true lies on thaksin's behalf. Yoiu'll never get my thumbprint for such a stupid and idiotic petiton.

comment 6
happyjack date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.29

Steven means Thumb Prints,there legal.

comment 5
happyjack date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.27

Well id guess it means a lot of Signatures from Illiterates

comment 4
Steven_ date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.08

comment 3, You are either belittling the Thai people or yourself.

One million people cannot be wrong less so a few technocrats.

comment 3
Piset date : 02/07/2009 time : 16.41
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

1,000,000 people? or 1,000,000 farm animals or the equivalents?

comment 2
Steven_ date : 02/07/2009 time : 16.24

If certainly the 1,000,000 signature are real and which should not be doubted than it shows that the people are not asleep these 3 years since the coup. They wants their rights to be restored.

comment 1
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 15.34

Dear Author, Piset Sensei,
Assuming you manage Thai or have a local assistant, I quote from Matichon,

http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1246452006&grpid=00&catid=00

This article and many local bloggers can be categorized into the basket of literates and illiterates. 555

This is a real scene that reveals people and their common personalities.
wch,
I will be back later on,,,555

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