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Constructive Thoughts for the Day

Constructive Thoughts for the Day
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comment 33 Kriengsak date : 07/11/2009 time : 14.01 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/kriengsak

Thank you for all good comments. Please write it again krub.

comment 32 Piset date : 01/11/2009 time : 21.33 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

Max: Quote 1: "I find this very interesting face to the new pseudo protectionist junta paradigm started by the junta in 2006. On the one side it effectively scared away all foreign investors, closed off the agro- and tourism sector incl a witch hunt at bad foreign nominee companies supposedly coming from the mid-east (=all the bad farangs) and even rocked Japanese investment in its foundations - on the other side it opened up the Thai downstream agro-sector to Chinese investment." Quote 2: "You may try to turn every topic to a 'Thaksin did this' but this is not about him but about an ill guided nationalism that has brainwashed people with a weak mind and tons of frustration like you into a polarized, fanatic mindset." With due respect to your point of views, I believe that you may have subjected yourself to some distorted interpretations of what has been going on in Thai society since 2001, especially int he events following 2006 military coup. Perhaps, in your view or in your personal experiences or personal preferences, you would prefer the setting of have a passive mode among the Thai citizens who never raise any voice even when the politicians are eating up the country for their own personal gains. When they have been woken up with facts, evidences and explanation of rules of laws, you called that "brain washes." When Thai people had to deal with their own problems with a coup and a change of the government or some political shows of diverge view points, you felt that they have inconvenient you, the tourists or discourage the investors. Of course, foreigners like yourself cannot be blamed for such feelings. However, we have gotten our own house cleanings chore to do, hopefully, for a better overall settings for the citizen and the nation. I am writing here, addressing the specific issue you have mentioned and you certainly would be able to conceive it better as an individual posting rather than to link it to your own accumulated frustration about other postings at other times. So, if you chose to compare the tourism and investment atmostphere in Thailand while we are doing our house cleaning with the era before and place the blame on the current government or credit the previous, corrupted government, then your views deserve respect as being yours as they stand, for whatever it might worth.

comment 31 MaxHeadroom date : 31/10/2009 time : 11.40 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/maxheadroom

Piset you are missing the point as usual. The point is a clear legal and moral standard which applies for everyone. No one is afraid of Chinese investment and it is welcome, but it can't be under a regime without rules, dark corridor policies and vested economic interest. You may try to turn every topic to a 'Thaksin did this' but this is not about him but about an ill guided nationalism that has brainwashed people with a weak mind and tons of frustration like you into a polarized, fanatic mindset.

comment 30 Piset date : 30/10/2009 time : 23.36 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

Under the pre 2006 government, Thai government was the reverse of Robinhood, that is, "Rob the poors to give to the riches." Including robbing this poor country to enrich a few of their clans. Take a look at what remains in the SET and in Thai economy. What has the goverment from 2001 to 2006 given to the people, really. And, then, take a look at the assets of all those fat cats. So, there is no reason to cry over the dead body of those dirty politicians and their governments. Take a look around the world before scaring yourself and others about China's presence. China's cooperation with foreign countries has a long records and has not just started with Thailand. Take a look and see whether natural resources has been siphoned away like those places being congrolled by those colony hunting nations. In our neighborhood, Other countries have had close conomic connection with China for decades already. Take a look and see whether anything might scare you except for "comparisons" against those phony "aides" and "supports" from the west.

comment 29 MaxHeadroom date : 29/10/2009 time : 21.38 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/maxheadroom

I would not start to celebrate yet - everything has a price - nothing's free. I am not sure if many people know the background of most Chinese investments in Thailand. But in brief: the Japanese didn't provide enough guarantees to bail out Thailand. Abhisit needs to borrow all in excess of THB 800 BN - in reality it will be much more. So there is only China that has offered a helping hand ... at a price of course. The price is one of geopolitical importance for China - securing its breadbasket - for 1.3 BN people. So Korn went to Chine some months ago to tell them about an opening of the agro-sector starting with food processing and live stock. Which make most of the profit in the chain. You can guess that the other half (and one percent) of the ventures on the Thai side will be owned by a few very well known characters with the rest of the farmers and SME basically getting away empty handed. I find this very interesting face to the new pseudo protectionist junta paradigm started by the junta in 2006. On the one side it effectively scared away all foreign investors, closed off the agro- and tourism sector incl a witch hunt at bad foreign nominee companies supposedly coming from the mid-east (=all the bad farangs) and even rocked Japanese investment in its foundations - on the other side it opened up the Thai downstream agro-sector to Chinese investment. Very nice standard right And with no success of any new (not revitalized or revived) investments coming in form elsewhere ABhisit is in dire need to present a 'success'. Not everything that glitters is made of gold but as my grandmother said - unfair and vested business practice hardly ever was a gain for the small man on the street...

comment 28 happyjack date : 24/10/2009 time : 13.35

And the Hanzi is connected to the Armze

comment 27 Ian date : 23/10/2009 time : 12.59 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Anthony, 24. You do not write Mandarin, you write Hànzì, a system of logograms. It is possible to write in this system with no knowledge of the spoken language. I have had both Mandarin and Cantonese speaking friends visit me at the same time, they could write notes to each other but had to converse in English. I have met an English scholar in Beijing who enjoys reading ancient Chinese books yet cannot speak Chinese.

comment 26 wch date : 23/10/2009 time : 12.07 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/wch

So often, I wonder about the fact that the descendants of Hakka and Teo Chiew living in this south east Asia hold serious misunderstanding about modern People's Republic of China ruled by Han people. Many of them might think PRC is their mother land too. This is funny thing indeed.

comment 25 HA_HA date : 23/10/2009 time : 11.18

c22, yes, mr. ian, pomelo. som o o o o o o thanks.

comment 24 anthonyford date : 23/10/2009 time : 09.06 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anthonyford The Truth is Freedom

C15 So true, language is not a problem. Interestingly, when I was working in Malaysia and Singapore with Chinese companies I noticed when dealing with mainland China companies even though both parties were fluent in reading and writing mandarin they always chose to do the business correspondence in English.

comment 23 happyjack date : 23/10/2009 time : 05.45

I don't think a Grapefruit stands much chance of getting a Visa,even though Immigration is run by Old Fruits.Do you know what an ollld fruit is.One who Bats for the Other Side.

comment 22 Ian date : 22/10/2009 time : 22.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

HA_HA....pomelo. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomelo

comment 21 HA_HA date : 22/10/2009 time : 21.55

no, mr. happyjack. farang can't get one because farang is not orange. HA_HA thinks farang should try first to be pamelo because both are green. then from pamelo it's easier to be orange.

comment 20 happyjack date : 22/10/2009 time : 21.42

Yes its, my ,Teowchew, Father in Law spoke it im told His Dad ran away in the Boxer Rebellions,he was born here and had a Funny Passport so he could nip in and out of China.Ferangs cant get one im told.Manderin reminds me of Oranges.I must praise them on their Work Ethics,they deserve to be rich.

comment 19 HA_HA date : 22/10/2009 time : 14.48

BTW, glad Ajarn Kriengsak is here. At least some real high profile, quality person who is not insane (i believe) in this website. I haven't read the main subject yet, shall come back later.

comment 18 HA_HA date : 22/10/2009 time : 14.44

As a Chinese-Thai, most chinese of the older generation speak Taechew dialect. Very few young generation learn how to speak the dialect our father and grandfather speak but have started to learn Mandarin anew. So right now we're both useless in English and Chinese ...

comment 17 Ian date : 22/10/2009 time : 11.44 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

HJ, in many Malaysian bars and restaurants you will often see Chinese talking loudly and ostentatiously in English. This is to demonstrate their superiority to the Malays, indeed in many Chinese and upper Indian families it is their first language. The 7 year old daughter of one of my friends speaks perfect English (for her age), she has to learn Tamil at school.

comment 16 happyjack date : 22/10/2009 time : 06.40

Very true, but the South has many Mandarin speakers,a touch of Malay proximity i suppose.As an aside, to Chinese of a certain class Good English is a Status Thing,a little like a Shiney Bouncing Builders Truck to a Thai.I note Thai T.V.has a disdain of English subtitles,why is that,could it reflect its Nationalistic Disease

comment 15 Piset date : 21/10/2009 time : 23.49 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

New Hope Group will face more stiff competition in their poultry meat export as the labor cost and value of RMB increased, that's why they might be interested in Thailand where Saha Farm, CP, GFPT, etc. have already laid a good foundation for the poultry farming industry. In this chicken business, language is not much of a problem as already proved by CP teams entering China since 1978 in similar projects.

comment 14 Plaadip date : 21/10/2009 time : 20.38

C13, you have English translaters anyway. And if you have expertise on a field, we can understand each other, even though you are not perfect in a certain language. More important than the language ablitity is that "expertise" (whether they really know their jobs or not )and the fundametals in the country, I guess.

comment 13 bzzzzzBee date : 21/10/2009 time : 20.16 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/beehive

C12 plaadip ... sometimes it does become a contributing factor in the buyer's decision-making ...why? i have had companies from Europe and US confirming their orders with us because they found someone who could speak english in the negotiation ... a little matter of convenience when language is a hurdle.

comment 12 Plaadip date : 21/10/2009 time : 20.11

But anyway, language is important but not a decisive factor, I guess.

comment 11 Piset date : 21/10/2009 time : 19.30 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

comment 10 Piset date : 21/10/2009 time : 19.30 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

Let's take a look at China's development. It took 15 years from opening up before foreign investment started going into China and over 20 years to get into high gear. FDI in China has only really grown when Zhu Rongji gave the world a new image of China by putting the nation under the "no nonsense" rule of laws and executed thousands of corrupted officials. Nobody will be really interested in rushing to Thailand for investment as long as all those crooked politicians remained at large, out of jail and in power, as long as we have a "do nothing" government as the Democrats typically always have been. Abhisit must leave the democrat party, or he cannot be a good prime minister. As such, we will never have a "ruly Thailand" attractive to foreign investment. Of course please turn back to the old records of 1987-1993 when FDI in Thailand played a fantastic Roller Coaster from Rag to Rich and then back to Rag. In those days, businesses had to hire engineers, accountants and secretaries from Malaysia, Phillippines and even Burma because of the stupid educational system in Thailand that can produced nothing more than those thick toilet papers with the graduates' names on them.

comment 9 bzzzzzBee date : 21/10/2009 time : 19.28 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/beehive

HJ ... i think it's teochew Thais who dominate the business world in thailand and the thai chinese population ... not Cantonese. China looking at thailand ... cost factor and chinese ties/heritage that binds?

comment 8 Ian date : 21/10/2009 time : 19.27 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Many Chinese, (I have just asked in the village), speak The Teochew dialect of Chinese, others speak Chaozhou dialect or Hakka. I have friends in China. Hong Kong and Malaysia who speak Mandarin and Cantonese, I can hear the difference, these Thai people sound different yet again. Their level of competence in these dialects i obviously cannot judge, but they seem to converse fluidly, without stumblings or hesitations.

comment 7 Piset date : 21/10/2009 time : 18.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai Piset

May all be warned that, at the global level or even at the regional level, Thailand is only one of the alternatives for consideration by Chinese government and Chinese businessmen. Please do not overcome ourself with our own self-centered state of mind. Unless there are better reasons for Chinese to invest in Thailand over other countries, they will not come. Now, what will give Thailand an edge over our neighbors?

comment 6 Plaadip date : 21/10/2009 time : 18.42

English and Chinese. High school education should concentrate on these two language. But as for Chinese, it might be meaningful only for very smart students, I guess. They should start it from junior high level, otherwise it's too late.

comment 5 happyjack date : 21/10/2009 time : 18.40

No Thais are competent at Chinese,where did you get that idea Ian,its the same as their English.A few are with Chinese Dads. Cantonese is common around here,but only with the over 60 Crowd

comment 4 Ian date : 21/10/2009 time : 18.23 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

comments 2 and 3, only anecdotal, from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I have no statistical data if that is what you want Equally I am in no position to comment on the fluency of the Chinese I see spoken around me. Oh another thing it is not Mandarin, I forget the name but it is a dialect from SW China.

comment 3 noonin date : 21/10/2009 time : 18.08 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

comment 1 You have evidence foryour statement? "Even the bar girls prefer the Chinese to the Farang"

comment 2 Dalmasian date : 21/10/2009 time : 17.36 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/dalmasian

Ian (c1), "Well most Thais are pretty useless at English, but many seem competent in Chinese." How do you know they speak Chinese well? Can you speak or understand Chinese? As far as I know, most Thais of the younger generation are pretty much useless in the Chinese language or dialects. Many of the older generation still can speak and read/write Chinese pretty well though. As for English, well . . . never mind. Even college or university graduates can only speak pretty broken English, at least most of those that I have met so far. It is a shame, and it truly reflects they teaching methods that are used in this country -- pedagogical instead of practical. Speaking of teaching Chinese language in school, first of all I would like Khun Kriangsak to explain why even in local Chinese schools students are only permitted to study up to 4th grade primary school instead of being able to go all the way to 3rd year senior high school like in other Southeast Asian countries? What makes Thailand so "special" in this regard? To me it is a discriminatory practice, pure and simple. Nowadays, even in Canada and the USA primary school and high school students can elect to study Chinese as a second language along with French, Spanish, German, Japanese, etc. And there are also specialized language schools that offer more intensive courses of study at a higher level for those who truly wish to learn the language. I know a lot of Thai Chinese families who send their children to boarding schools in Singapore and Taiwan so that the can learn authentic Chinese language. -- Dalmasian

comment 1 Ian date : 21/10/2009 time : 17.08 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Well most Thais are pretty useless at English, but many seem competent in Chinese, so perhaps it is a sensible idea for Thailand to become a Chinese satellite state. Even the bar girls prefer the Chinese to the Farangs

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