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Thursday , July 31 , 2008
The NGV Bus Project: A Means of Exploitation
Posted by Kriengsak , Reader : 4027 , 12:21:06   | Category : Economy  
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Though the final decision on the NGV bus rental project of the Bangkok Mass Transit Authority (BMTA) was postponed by a Cabinet meeting, it is still worth discussion. The major purpose behind BMTA’s structural adjustments is to reduce the operational losses of the BMTA, which have presently accumulated to more than 70 thousand million baht in total. The Minister of Transport also claims that steeply increasing diesel fuel prices will aggravate BMTA’s losses, to the tune of 140 thousand million baht in the next ten years. However, according to the Minister, replacing diesel buses with NGV buses will lower costs, and reduce accumulated losses for BMTA by 50 percent in the next ten years. 

The BMTA and the Ministry of Transport have tried to replace diesel buses with NGV buses because the price of natural gas is far cheaper than the price of diesel. According to BMTA statistics in 2006, NGV bus costs were lower than other bus costs by 30 percent, with the cost gap this year being definitely wider than in 2006 due to rocketing diesel price increases.

 After analyzing BMTA’s balance sheet for 2007, I have discovered that a decrease of BMTA’s fuel costs by 30 percent, is equal to a decrease of 2,268 million baht. Added to the nullification of 1,915 million baht in maintenance costs (NGV buses are rental buses, thus maintenance costs are unnecessary), these cost reductions would still fail to surpass BMTA’s 2007 loss of 5,882 million baht. Therefore, if this project fails to turn the current scenario of double accumulated loss into BMTA’s daydream scenario of eliminating possibly half the accumulated loss within the next ten years, it would require about 3,500 million baht in annual profits, after structure adjustment. 

From this, it can also be implied that in order to improve BMTA’s financial situation, some other revenue sources must render the amount of about 5.2 thousand million baht per year. In other words, the BMTA must coerce its passengers to paying the Authority’s debts.

 The project’s losers are its poor passengers, who after the project is implemented will be unable to take non-air-conditioned buses for a transportation fare of 7 baht. If the project is approved by the Cabinet, all non-air-conditioned buses would be replaced with NGV buses and all passengers compelled to pay a minimum fare of 15 baht. This means that poor people who used to take non-air-conditioned buses must pay a double fare rate, while, in fact, transportation costs have decreased by at least 30 percent.

The BMTA may use the excuse that their fares are actually cheaper than the current  bus fares of air-conditioned buses, which lie between 14 and 22 baht. However, in fact, low-income passengers often take non-air-conditioned buses for short distances since they will usually live near their workplaces, while middle-income people often take air-conditioned buses for long distance journeys. For this reason, a flat-rate fare of 15 baht may not only be deemed a transfer of MBTA’s debt payment burden onto low-income people, but is also taking their money in order to subsidize middle-income people who live at the outskirts of the city.  


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comment 9
Kriengsak date : 11/08/2008 time : 10.56
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Thanks for your valuable comments.
comment 8
Narong date : 02/08/2008 time : 20.01
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Under socialism man exploits man, under capitalism it is just the opposite.
comment 7
wch date : 02/08/2008 time : 09.57

Ian,
I know this turbine-motor system and now better battery is in full competition in several countries.

In fact as pointed out in my early post, any type of gas is inefficient in reciprocating piston engine because it is difficult to achieve full combustion.

The tubine-battery-induction motor machanism can be used in long haul inter-city bus, not in urban commuter bus.
Urban bus is to 'stop and go 'endlessly, that wears out battery faster and so restart turbine often.

Also gas tank mounting bus is more dangerous as the gas tank becomes often for the cause of secondary blast and death. In Thailand it happens already. 350,000 cars are converted to LPG burning car and roadside incinerations now happen !.
comment 6
Ian date : 01/08/2008 time : 17.26
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wch, this is the way to go
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/04/capstone-turbin.html
comment 5
wch date : 01/08/2008 time : 11.25

1. Present number of Bangkok commuter bus is about 3000. They fail to justify 6000 buses.

2. The base price of bus is 4,200,000 baht in this project. The actual value is not more than 2,500,000 baht.

3. NGV is natural gas burn vihecle, similar to gasoline burning engine mounted vihecle.
Real fuel is CNG or compressed natural gas.
Natural gas (mainly butane gas except etane and propane gas that are used for petrochemical products). Bus carries a compressed fuel tank (abt 40kg per sq cm pressure) and via pressure modulators 10 kg/sq.cm gas is fed into combustion chamber. Why do I say this ?.
I try to say CNG is not cheaper than gasoline or diesel. Liquified NG or LNG under 120 pressure with minus 40 degree celcius delivers 6000 kcal per a litre. Gasoline is 6900 kcal per a litre. LNG and gasoline price per litre is more or less same.
All CNG of Thailand comes from LNG now and in future (PTT builds now an importing LNG terminal by Korean firm at Map Tap Pud).
Through this cost structure, CNG has no clue to keep its low price in the future.

Another problem of CNG engine is the poor heat efficiency. The best engine form is turbine engine for this metane gas (upto 40%). I believe China built CNG engine not more than 25% (gasoline is 30-35%). This means 75% gas is wasted in various forms. The most destructive thing is its Nitric oxides that is the main cause of cancer and green house effect, more bad thing is the uncombusted fuel being released into air is very bad fould odor (like bad chinese toilet).
I dont remember any city in the earth use this engine except China. Japan and Korea only use finely refined city gas as cooking, heating gas and prohibit to use for automobile. (LPG is only for industry and for non-city gas piped rural areas).

4. 10 years rental of 6000 buses cost almost 3 billion dollars plus fuel cost adjustment.
One bus rental in present value is fixed 9.5 m.baht.
This fails to justify whole calculation formula.

5. If this money is invested, why Thailand build own auto factory ?. Old design of gasoline engine can be built by Thai engineers without tech patent problem (They can buy from Japan or Germany, not from China). Thailand can build beautiful bus body at their taste.

6. Or, the finest refined diesel oil produces less pollutants in city street than NGV's.
Thailand plan to upgrade the diesel Euro (class 4) in 2012 or 5?
Beat down the oil refinery firms who exploit people. They dont build the plant to filter diesel fuels (only primitive stage of sulfur acid filtering system and they call it 'Purity' or 'Green'. They are real culprits)
comment 4
MaxHeadroom date : 31/07/2008 time : 23.11
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The savings for the economy of public transport over individual transportation in private cars is evident. Very high fuel prices might bring even some of the militant individualist motorists into a bus. But public transport also has its limits as concerns public subsidies since these subsidies can create regional imbalances. Don't forget while Bangkokians discuss whether to use the sub, the skytrain, the aircon bus or non aircon bus, the taxi or the car - people in much of the rest of the country often have none of the above - may be a few converted pick-up trucks and tuktuk's at best. What would those people think about free transportation in Bangkok? Maybe that they should get basic public transport first?

Numbers almost always are only as good as the guy who presents them - so while NGV buses reduce fine dust and make the air cleaner - one might have to accept that higher fare prices are still a reality because prices had not been adapted for a long time. Also NGV technology requires replacement of engines and has higher wear on parts and thus higher maintenance cost.

Concerning the lower end of the labor segment: Bangkok is ill fit to compete in the absolute low cost labor segment due to high overhead for housing, food etc. We have to realize this. The rent for even the worst flat in a ghetto is many times that of a so-so house in the provinces. And, thus, increased fair prices of 15-30 Baht / day are the smallest of all problems faced by this sector. Eventually, employer will have to give in to increased salaries if they want to do low-end employment in Bangkok Metropolis. And in general an increase in the standard of living for migrant labor isn't such a bad thing.

Inflation remains a hot issue butv I would prefer a mix of balanced short term subsidies across the nation with an inflation adjusted increase of minimum wages in Bangkok Metropolis and a transportation bonus. The later should have companies excluded that provide free transportation for their employees using company vehicles or which support driving communities.
comment 3
Ian date : 31/07/2008 time : 17.48
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Mamasan's response seems rather cynical to me, it is the standard complaint of the rich, "why should we subsidise the poor".
If gasoline and vehicle taxes went up, this would simply encourage the use of public transport. I would see this as a health benefit tax, reduced street/air pollution giving me an extra 10 years of life.
It is wrong to compare Bangkok with HK or Singapore, these are much richer cities and both inherited experiences gained in London for dealing with congestion.
The public transport situation in BKK is poor but is much better than in Manila. The permanent bottlenecks around places like Santa Cruz are incredible, in one hour one can be overtaken 10 times by the same pedestrian:-)
comment 2
MamaSan date : 31/07/2008 time : 16.52
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. We all know this. For something to be free for some, others would have to pay for it one way or the other.

Therefore, Ian's suggestion of "free" public transportation would probably end up as higher gasoline prices, higher road taxes, higher VAT taxes, etc. or all of these things combined.

It invariably ends up with the rich and middle-class subsidizing the poor, or a transfer of wealth from the taxpayers to the non-tax payers or tax evaders/avoiders.

I would like to point out the public transportation systems of Hong Kong and Singapore are many times more efficient and orderly than those in Bangkok, are clean, modern and reasonably priced, and are profitable.

Hong Kong's public transportation systems are largely owned by private enterprises under government franchises. their operations are closely monitored by concerned government departments to ensure safety, clean and modern equipment, proper maintenance, fair pricing, and annual returns on investments not exceeding 8 or 10 percent, I cannot remember which exactly.

Singapore's public transportations systems are largely owned and operated by statutory government bodies. Their main objective is to provide safe, clean, modern and well maintained transportation equipment to serve the people's needs, but are also operated with the aim of at least breaking even if not making a bit of profit.

Bangkok transportation systems are one the most inefficient and poorly operated that I have seen in Asia, comparable to that of the Philippines. I can attribute it to three primary reasons:

(1) Poor planning and execution as well as incompetent management.
(2) Government red tape and interference like excessive fare controls.
(3) Corruption, corruption and more corruption.

I do not wantto go into details but these three areas need to be tackled successfully if the city administration wants to solve the problem and provide a safe and efficient system of public transportation to the public. They are not insurmountable, but requires firm, fair and smart handling.

I shall discuss the difference between owning and leasing or renting in another comment.


Mama San
Bangkok
July 31, 2008
comment 1
Ian date : 31/07/2008 time : 14.54
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As far as I know every city mass transit system runs at a loss and has to be supported by tax payers money.
A study was done on the London underground system some years back which showed that if the entire system was made free to passengers, then the annual lose would be less. It seems that the costs of maintaining a staff of ticket issuers, collectors, inspectors and their support structures is greater than the revenue they collect.
This may not be true of every city but if one adds in the reduced use of private cars created by a free system then the entire city would benefit.
Now with reference to this blog, there is no reduction in maintenance costs by using a hired vehicle; maintenance, depreciation and replacement costs are all integrated into the rental fee.
A major saving in fuel would be to remove the times waiting in traffic jams. If staggered working hours were introduced then peak congestion would be reduced, further less buses would be needed, as there would not be a rush hour peak demand.
Staggered working could be initiated in government departments, then "suggested" to private organisations that rely upon government contracts.
With globalisation we are already seeing a move towards the 24 hour office, staggered office hours is part of this trend.
A 24 hour staggered working day smoothes out the entire city infrastructure, there are no traffic peaks, pollution peaks, electricity and water demand peaks. It becomes easier to plan and control the entire system.
Returning to the main point of this blog, over time passenger fares will inevitably rise, the alternative is to make fares either free or heavily subsidised in the knowledge that this would benefit society by bringing more jobs within the reach of poor commuters.
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