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A Man's Random Walk
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Wednesday , April 15 , 2009
My Take on Thai Politics in the Aftermath of the Black Songkran
Posted by Ginola , Reader : 619 , 08:33:38  
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The Abhisit government, with the help of the army operating under the State of Emergency law, has successfully restored order to Bangkok after the protesters have dispersed. The government has won the media battle and recevied a lot of praises from most of the Thai media and anti-Thaksin groups.

Yet, if we look deeply enough, this conflict is far from over. In fact, because of the crackdown on protesters, the conflict will likely escalate to a new level, sooner or later. Why so?

Imagine you are a fan of Thaksin and one of the 100,000 red-shirt supporters who came out last week, questioning the government's democratic legitimacy and criticizing the many double standards that you deem exist.

How has the events in the last few days made you feel?

When you see soldiers, equipped with war weapons like M-16, dispersing your fellow red shirts by firing gun shots (although the army says they are firing to the sky), how would you feel?

When you see that a score of your fellow red shirts suffering from injuries, some serious ones, and covered with bloods, how would you feel?

When you see the government cutting off the DTV signal, which is in your view the only media that you could rely on, how would you feel?

When you see your protest leaders get arrested and denied bail, how would you feel?

Given all these things, when you see that most of the media seem to be praising the government's actions, how would you feel?

I don't think it takes a PhD to realize that if you were one of the red shirt protesters, you would see the whole crackdown episode was totally unfair and brutal, something that reinforces the belief that you have always held.

That is, the belief that double standards exist and things always go against you and are in favor of the other side. Indeed, you'd likely be thinking, "whatever the other side does, it's ok. Whatever you do, it's not." 

Naturally, you will likely experience an even greater degree of anger, resentment and hatred toward the government. You may also be thinking of how to retaliate against the government. Thailand's political division, thus, looks to have deepened even further.

.........

Thus, I disagree with those who believe that the conflict is over and the government has won the battle. 

As much as I want Thaksin to stay out of politics and the division in the society to subside, these things are unlikely to come about. As much as I believed that the rule of law should be upheld and that some kind of tougher measures were necessary to control the situation, history has shown again and again that political conflict can never be settled by force.

Unfortunately for the Thai people, tougher and more violent means would likely lead to stronger and more violent response, as the red shirt protesters' sense of being unjustly dealt with become stronger. The battle will continue and it may not necessarily be in the form of mass protest; the battle might be fought underground.

For as long as the opposing camps at the elite level cannot find a mutually agreeable compromise and the opposing camps at the mass level do not try to understand - let alone reconcile - their differences, Thailand looks set to remain deeply divided and fragile.

If that's the case, then sadly but perhaps inevitably, it's only a matter of months, weeks or even days, before the next episode of the conflict, and bloodshed, begins.


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comment 29
Ian date : 18/04/2009 time : 10.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

If we ignore the ranting of the idiots, I think many bloggers are starting to understand that the current situation in Thailand is not simply reds versus the government, nor Thaksin versus Abhasit, it goes far deeper, to the very roots of the elitist culture.
comment 28
maverick263 date : 17/04/2009 time : 00.20

@ginola, c.16:

as usual, ur voice is a rare one of reason in a thunderstorm of enticed madness.

"It should use this opportunity to start a process of reconciliation and try to listen to and accommodate the not-so-extreme red's concerns."

yes.

nonetheless, i disagree w u, saying "It revoked Thaksin's passport, it issued arrest for all the red leaders (would they be bailed out?), it continued to shut down DTV and is trying to interfere with community radio too. Instead of using the opportunity to reconcile, the government chooses to use it to kill off Thaksin and co."

imho there's a lil bit more going on behind the scenes that require a state's position of strength. don't get me wrong Ginola... but part of pattaya event for sure was a perceived/real weakness ot state authorities. there's some stuff going on in _some_ "red shirts" minds that needs to be contained by strength/force.

imho that applies for the arrest warrants as well as the shutdown of the radio-stations.

to revoke Thaksin's passport is to enforce Thai Government position that he's a "criminal". or, as the official reading goes, "wanted for inciting activities against the nation".

there _still_ are _some_ countries around the world that understand these words & reasons. & it puts any country that continues to support Thaksin in a... not-so-easy-position. maybe it's becoming an international issue, na... --- nobody wants an example set that some exiled billionaire is capable to destabilize not only a country, but endangers a whole region.

that's why i call him "terrorist". drug-cartels enforce their financial influence this way. or al-qaida, etc.

*...

yes. all that will endanger reds & even more hard-core reds.

for the hard-core reds... i'm convinced they made plans to go "undergound" some time ago. funny thing, na... in light of events "red shirts" get a new, or an old, a darker & bloodier meaning: "red guards". so funny that it's ortega of nicaragua that offers a new passport to thaksin.


*...

anyhow: for sure i agree,

"It should use this opportunity to start a process of reconciliation and try to listen to and accommodate the not-so-extreme red's concerns."
comment 27
maverick263 date : 17/04/2009 time : 00.18

@ginola, c.16:

as usual, ur voice is a rare one of reason in a thunderstorm of enticed madness.

"It should use this opportunity to start a process of reconciliation and try to listen to and accommodate the not-so-extreme red's concerns."

yes.

nonetheless, i disagree w u, saying "It revoked Thaksin's passport, it issued arrest for all the red leaders (would they be bailed out?), it continued to shut down DTV and is trying to interfere with community radio too. Instead of using the opportunity to reconcile, the government chooses to use it to kill off Thaksin and co."

imho there's a lil bit more going on behind the scenes that require a state's position of strength. don't get me wrong Ginola... but part of pattaya event for sure was a perceived/real weakness ot state authorities. there's some stuff going on in _some_ "red shirts" minds that needs to be contained by strength/force.

imho that applies for the arrest warrants as well as the shutdown of the radio-stations.

to revoke Thaksin's passport is to enforce Thai Government position that he's a "criminal". or, as the official reading goes, "wanted for inciting activities against the nation".

there _still_ are _some_ countries around the world that understand these words & reasons. & it puts any country that continues to support Thaksin in a... not-so-easy-position. maybe it's becoming an international issue, na... --- nobody wants an example set that some exiled billionaire is capable to destabilize not only a country, but endangers a whole region.

that's why i call him "terrorist". drug-cartels enforce their financial influence this way. or al-qaida, etc.

*...

yes. all that will endanger reds & even more hard-core reds.

for the hard-core reds... i'm convinced they made plans to go "undergound" some time ago. funny thing, na... in light of events "red shirts" get a new, or an old, a darker & bloodier meaning: "red guards". so funny that it's ortega of nicaragua that offers a new passport to thaksin.


*...

anyhow: for sure i agree,

"It should use this opportunity to start a process of reconciliation and try to listen to and accommodate the not-so-extreme red's concerns."
comment 26
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 21.16
nationmultimedia.com

if u do not know anything in thailand pls shut up and make some research.

many many of ur comments indicate that u are zero in thai politics (as usual).

just bragging bragging endlessly same same ian/felixqui/hermano/aussie observer/outsider/ginola/maxheadroom/pomjuk and all the alikes.
comment 25
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 21.10
nationmultimedia.com

the thai judicial system is now back to its glory and credibility ever since the collapse of the plutocratic regime of the square face.

flwg press release from mfa

Qte

please refer "press release" from ministry of foreign affairs (MOF) thailand.

Qte
Press Release
- Foreign Minister answers Parliamentarian’s query on Thai Judicial System

August 14, 2008, 6:16 pm


On 14 August 2008, Mr. Tej Bunnag, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Thailand, in response to a query posed during question time in the House of Representatives regarding “the impact of the former prime minister’s statement,” read to the House a statement on Thailand’s judicial system as follows:




• Thailand’s judicial system is one of the three main “pillars” of Thailand’s democratic society, performing a check-and-balance role alongside the democratically-elected executive and legislative branches.



• Thailand has a strong and rich legal tradition going back hundreds of years. It has undergone continuous development, evolving from common law into the internationally-accepted civil law serving modern Thailand.



• In Thailand’s history, while political circumstances and events may have at times affected the functions of Thailand’s executive and legislative “pillars” of governance, the third “pillar,” the judiciary, has remained unaffected by the political changes. In fact, the Thai judiciary has always been a stable and steadfast fixture that is universally accepted by all sectors of Thai society.



• The Thai judicial system’s internal meticulous and democratic selection process for judges has garnered widespread acceptance and respect from Thai society for its professionalism, high ethical standards and independence from outside interference. For these reasons, the Thai public has always had strong faith in the integrity and impartiality of the Thai judiciary and knows that it can be counted upon.



• The Thai judicial system undergoes continuous development to keep pace with societal changes. Additional judicial organs have been created to complement the existing Court of Justice system, including the Administrative Court, the Constitutional Court and the Supreme Court’s Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions. The creation of these organs were stipulated in the 1997 Constitution and reaffirmed in the 2007 Constitution. These new organs have co-existed alongside the executive and legislative branches of government over the past 10 years without any questions or objections.



• While the courts are required to adjudicate their cases and administer justice according to the Constitution, the law and “in the name of the King,” the judges are appointed “by Royal Command” and the Constitution stipulates that judges must present their oath of office to His Majesty the King before assuming office, these are symbolic functions. The appointments of judges are in accordance with the Thai judicial system’s own selection process. The role of the Thai monarchy in these instances is thus not dissimilar from the traditional duties performed by constitutional monarchies of other nations, such as the United Kingdom.




Unqte

h.e.tej boonag minister of mfa during samak sudaravej's administration.
comment 24
Pomjuk date : 16/04/2009 time : 20.59
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That is exactly what I am saying he doesn’t need the Thai passport. What the minister of foreign affair did was just satisfying his anger. It did not thing to Thaksin. Moreover it confirmed that not only that the courts are bias but also that the citizens of Thailand can be punished without getting a fair trial, without the right to face his accuser or without being officially charged.
comment 23
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 19.11
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former most corrupt ousted deposed fugitive criminal pm thaksin shinnawatra's new nicaragur ppt given by president daniel ortega in february.
comment 22
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 19.07
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fomer fugitive criminal thaksin shinnawatra's new nicaragua ppt issued in january 2009.
comment 21
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 19.02
nationmultimedia.com

just fyi

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comment 20
Pomjuk date : 16/04/2009 time : 17.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk

Revoking Thaksin's passport*
comment 19
Pomjuk date : 16/04/2009 time : 17.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk

c16: Revoking Thaksin is a stupid move. It does nothing but confirming allegation that there are inequality and injustice in the system. It’s very childish and irrational reaction from the ministry of foreign affair. And here is the reason why, if they’re punishing Thaksin for speaking in public it’s against the freedom of speech. If they’re punishing Thaksin for being behind the thread passing the Royal Cliff Hotel in Pattaya it’s too harsh. Nevertheless, the allegations; whatever all the allegations haven’t been proven in court.

Thaksin probably haven’t been using the Thai passport for a long time, since he’s managed to get the Nicaraguan diplomatic passport. Using Thai passport he will have to go get a visa for every country that he wants to enter.
comment 18
peacefulness date : 16/04/2009 time : 16.47
nationmultimedia.com


ginola ---what the bullshits from the most stupid idiot ginola, who are you??????, why not stop barking barking.......endlessly.

i told u many times that h.e.abhisit vejjajiva is more clever and out-smart than u. they do not need ur advices. he knows what to do, how to do , when to do , why all these should be done............ U Ginola just shut up , do not say anything , because i can not tolerate ur stupidity, ur ignorance, ur notknowings, ur comments and article is more ugly than the toilette paper already used for wiping off the ugly shits.....................
comment 17
Ian date : 16/04/2009 time : 13.31
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Ginola, I realised a long time ago that the Nation management like people who rant and cause friction, it generates more viewing hits, just like a road accident does. More hits mean better saleability to advertisers, means more company revenue.
comment 16
Ginola date : 16/04/2009 time : 12.10
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Felix, Ian:

I won't respond to peacefullness and won't care deleting his comments any more. I will just pretend that he doesn't exist.

And I, too, don't understand why the Nation staff have not banned him after he repeatedly uses foul language like "barking", "idiot", "f**king" etc. I mean, even my PAD friend told me to ignore, in her own words, "crazy peacefulness".

To all:

The government has won the media battle in recent days. Many neutral citizens believe that the government has done a rather good job in restoring order.

Thus, the government should use this opportunity to reach out to the reds and quickly initiate political reform that involves the reds, all parties and the public. It should use this opportunity to start a process of reconciliation and try to listen to and accommodate the not-so-extreme red's concerns.

Yet, instead of doing that, the government is doing the very opposite! It revoked Thaksin's passport, it issued arrest for all the red leaders (would they be bailed out?), it continued to shut down DTV and is trying to interfere with community radio too. Instead of using the opportunity to reconcile, the government chooses to use it to kill off Thaksin and co.

These are not actions that would help reconcile the opposing camps! These actions will unlikely get rid of Thaksin and his allies. After all, they have managed to survive after the coup and the dissolution of TRT and PPP. I don't see how revoking Thaksin's passport would make him disappear or increase extradition chance. He probably can find an asylum somewhere in the world.

These actions will make the reds angrier and make things worse...
comment 15
happyjack date : 16/04/2009 time : 07.36

Why is it ferangs assume all the so called Elite is Bad.Some are ,but they seem confined to politics,Ive never met an Elite yet that does not pick out the GOOD BITS,of red ideas,but they are hard working crowd with a Conspicuous Spending Habit.Theres good and bad on both sides,with Joe Normall stuck between the arseholes
comment 14
Alien date : 16/04/2009 time : 07.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/alien

Comment 7: Don't feel bad. They haven't caught the ones who committed the acts of violence on the "Yellows" during their activities either. You act like only Yellows get away scott free and everyone else gets bagged.
comment 13
maverick263 date : 15/04/2009 time : 19.54

to bring my case to conclusion:

a) thaksin flies out his family. while at same time publicly arousing thai citizens to join the "ppl revolution"

b) jatuporn prompan (& esp!!! jatuporn prompan) instigates terror in pattaya & bangkok --- & when tried to be hold accountable for it... he just says, "no, sorry, cannot, i'm a mp"

u get my point? today we not only have well-educated corrupt bank-managers. we' also have top-trained mexican drug cartel ceo's (if u don't believe me, just do some research). & we've so called "ppl republicans" who laugh ab legal loopholes.

these ppl express degenerative forces.

as most ppl prefer to LIVE, na... most of ppl "feel" a bit... opposed to "degenerative forces"
comment 12
maverick263 date : 15/04/2009 time : 19.45

i forgot sth...

in those old golden days when we still believed in "ideas", na, ppl who followed their personal traits to become some embodiment for systemic transformations... na... these ppl went into jail for their beliefs.

they accepted rules & played by them. it honors them... think gandhi, mandela, aung san suu kyi & many more whose names we'll never know.

it's different today. & it sheds light on the ppl claiming to bring ab "betterment for the people".

look at this: a guy publicly says he wants to overthrow a government --- but when tried to be arrested, he sends his lawyer (!!!) & claims "parliamentary privilege": read it:

"today Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan, wanted for inciting the red-shirt riots in the capital city, sent his lawyer to hear police charges against him on Wednesday afternoon and claimed parliamentary privilege to delay his surrender.

Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan, wanted for inciting the red-shirt riots in the capital city, sent his lawyer to hear police charges against him on Wednesday afternoon and claimed parliamentary privilege to delay his surrender."
comment 11
maverick263 date : 15/04/2009 time : 19.22

@pomjuk, c.7:

one step after another, ok.

@ c.9:

i'm sorry pomjuk. go out & follow my posting trails: thaksin, imho, is a _terrorist_ out to "overthrow a government". it's 21st century... so funny thing today is... u only need to b a billionaire & a corrupt arabian gov will supply u safehavens from where u can direct ur mercenaries by 21st century comm.

nonetheless. he's a "terrorist". u get me? same league as al-qaida & others.

yes, in old times... some wd argue that a "terrorist" in one's opinion is a "freedom fighter" in another one's eyes. we're no longer in "old times". thx for ur time
comment 10
happyjack date : 15/04/2009 time : 18.10

Com 7,at last i can agree with you.But don't regard opinions as rudeness, a Thai Misnomer.They are not meant that way.
comment 9
Pomjuk date : 15/04/2009 time : 17.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk

And what law and basic principle can be used to revoke someone’s passport? Was he guilty for speaking in public? Look in the $h!t!3 constitution, it kind of saying that Thai people have freedom of expression, kind of.
comment 8
peacefulness date : 15/04/2009 time : 16.24
nationmultimedia.com

just fyi the square face's ordinary ppt revoked on 12apr09 as reported by lcl tv stns and confirmed by mr tharit jarunvat spokesman mfa. his dip ppt revoked long time ago. may be next his police rank pol.lt.col will also face the same destiny.
comment 7
Pomjuk date : 15/04/2009 time : 15.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk

Double standard number 1: It took them 22 minutes and 21 seconds to get the arrest warrants to arrest four demonstration leaders, while no yellowshirted terrorist leader has been arrested for occupying the government house for over four months and no single terrorist’s soul has been charged for the siege of the airports.

And they’re saying that the want peace? I don’t think there will be peace until people fell that there is justice, equality and liberty in the society. Right now people’s angers are suppressed, just keep showing the usual double standards to confirm their allegations and not long enough the anger will be erupted again.
comment 6
peacefulness date : 15/04/2009 time : 14.04
nationmultimedia.com

ian--- pls just mind ur own business. no further with all of u. but if u attack my country endlessly i will surely come back to hit u harder harder..........

i do not like ginola/maxheadroom's article that is why i response vehemently, just that simple.

this is also our domestic problem nothing to do with u farangs.
comment 5
FelixQui date : 15/04/2009 time : 13.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Ginola,
Another excellent post.

Perhaps peacefulness serves a useful function as an indicator of how accurate an idea is by his reaction to it?
comment 4
FelixQui date : 15/04/2009 time : 13.18
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

peacefulness,
I am so glad you are not my supporter, but please do continue to embarrass those you agree with.
comment 3
Ian date : 15/04/2009 time : 12.45
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

A good article unfortunately marred by an idiot with a large mouth and no brains posting the first comment. Why is he tolerated, he contributes absolutely nothing to a debate?
comment 2
maverick263 date : 15/04/2009 time : 11.48

yes, Ginola, i completely agree.
comment 1
peacefulness date : 15/04/2009 time : 11.40
nationmultimedia.com

another super idiot article from the the super super mmentally retarded GINOLA. standing in darkness keep on barking endlessly , u donot hv to say anything we all know what is what...... u shut up everything will be alright sooner or later.
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