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A Man's Random Walk
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Tuesday , August 26 , 2008
My condemnation of the PAD's latest move
Posted by Ginola , Reader : 3066 , 10:36:31  
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In principle, I see that the government is far from perfect and I support the PAD as a force in scrutinizing and providing checks to the government.

But as much as the need for the government to be checked and criticized, there shall be criticisms of the PAD too. And although I do not want to stir up silly fights or make divisive comments, the PAD's latest move has left me with no choice but to condemn the PAD.

Staging street rallies is fine but blocking key roads around the country and breaking into and seizing a TV station is not acceptable.

In fact, these actions are simply illegal, terribly irresponsible and highly uncivilized (one could say "barbarian").

The PAD is obsessed with its goal of removing the government at all costs. Its latest action simply shows that the PAD does not truly care about Thailand or the citizens. Tha PAD does everything and uses every means in order to achieve its goal, despite the high economic and social costs involved.

I encourage the police to take firm legal action against the PAD leaders. Their latest move is simply unacceptable.

The PAD prides itself on being a force that checks the government. It criticizes the government on many grounds. However, its own actions are subject to criticisms and to the rule of law as well.

In my honest opinion, the PAD has become too politicized as a group to be a rational group of people leading public participation and scrutiny of the government.

The country that the PAD claims to be trying to save will lose from the PAD's latest move.

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comment 114
rad date : 05/09/2008 time : 19.27

Felix,
When PAD was attacked the other morning exactly how did they instigate that? Being? That is the only rational that I can see.

This is similar thinking to the death of a woman in the south, she asked for it because she was sunbathing topless, are we to believe that people can take the law into their own hands because?

The governments job is to ensure the safety of its citizens, they include both sides of this situation and the government again failed to act and as a result a death occurred.

If PAD is as big of a problem as many say why are they allowed to exist? Aren't those that were elected, appointed and selected to perform their assigned tasks able or willing to deal with situations for which they were elected, appointed or selected?
comment 113
thevoice date : 04/09/2008 time : 19.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/the-voice

Just imagine even a court's order, PAD leaders don't even bother. So what kind of policies can one expect should the PAD take over power?
comment 112
Hermano_Lobo date : 03/09/2008 time : 03.38
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

I have just read Thulsathit Taptim's excellent September 3rd article.
Highly recommended !
I still believe that PAD should form themselves into a political party and get voter support.
comment 111
expresso date : 03/09/2008 time : 03.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Condemn some more. It's not nearly enough for influencing people; at least, in this blog community! Perhaps you should take heed from 'patriot'. No?
comment 110
catch22 date : 01/09/2008 time : 16.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Ginola (107) Exactly - that's why Ghandi's philosophy on protesting was so powerful and why he became so angry and hurt when some of his followers resorted to violence......non violence defeated an empire.
comment 109
wch date : 01/09/2008 time : 12.46

Rule of law is only to the ones who understand it correctly.

For instance,
The civil court had ordered all the PAD demonstrators to evacuate the Makkasarn Bridge.

However Samak's clubbed, pointblank aimed, robbed and smalled the sun blocking shelters.

Samak action was not written in the court order and consequently of samak's brutal action, the court suspended the order.

Samak must be tried in the same court.
comment 108
FelixQui date : 01/09/2008 time : 11.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

The PAD leaders are fully responsible for all the violence used so far. They PAD leaders deliberately sought to provike a violent response, and they have been disappointed that the government has NOT used the degree of force that would be fully justified to end the PAD's attack on the Kingdom of Thailand.

peacefulness is absolutely right that the violence should be condemned, and that condemnation rests squarely and solely with the PAD and its leaders.
comment 107
Ginola date : 01/09/2008 time : 10.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Peacefulness:

It seems you have failed to realize that the Thai police has been extremely lenient to the PAD so far! If the PAD's breaking into government house or TV station or airports were to happen in another country, the PAD would be dissolved straight away.

Instead, the Thai government and police have tried extremely hard to avoid using force. But there is a need to dissolve the PAD protests and it's impossible to do so without the use of some force like teargas or the stick ("grabong" in Thai, whatever the English word is).

The PAD itself is to be blamed for police's use of limited force on the protesters. It is illegal and crazy and barbarian for the PAD to seize the government house. The police has a job to do and a court order to follow, and they have used as little force as possible to do this.

Perhaps this is what the PAD leaders have wanted all along. They probably want their protesters to be injured and hurt by the police, so that they will have another excuse to blame the government.

The PAD action is not considered "peaceful" demonstration. "Peaceful" demonstration must be done in such a way that does not provoke violence. It must be done with the respect of the rule of law. What the PAD has done lately is an act that provokes violence from the part of the police. It's hardly peaceful means.
comment 106
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.40
nationmultimedia.com

ALL THE LOCAL NEWSPAPERS CONDEMNED POLIC E'S BRUTALITIES UNDER THE BIG NOSE SAMAK'S ADMINISTRATION.
comment 105
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.25
nationmultimedia.com


My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

Move.
comment 104
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.20
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My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

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comment 103
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.08
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My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

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comment 102
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.07
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My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

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comment 101
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.05
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comment 100
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.04
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comment 99
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.03
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My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

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comment 98
peacefulness date : 01/09/2008 time : 08.00
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My Condemnation of The Big Nose Samak's Latest

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comment 97
Hermano_Lobo date : 31/08/2008 time : 14.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

It looks like The Nation's web blogs are split between the PRC Stalinists/Maoists and those that believe in Democracy. Democracy allows a different opinion. Maoist/Stalinists use their Jackboots to kick down the door at 4am.
comment 96
FelixQui date : 31/08/2008 time : 09.57
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

peacefulness,
The baby learnt to crawl two weeks ago.
The past week has seen a continuous temper tantrum.

Naughty children should be spanked and sent to their rooms until they are ready to behave in a manner fit for society.
comment 95
peacefulness date : 31/08/2008 time : 08.30
nationmultimedia.com


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXy5vyt4rbM&feature=related.

baby learning to crawl................
comment 94
windy date : 30/08/2008 time : 23.48
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/lisnaree
Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

PAD doesn't have any real power now, even though it looks like it has. Staging protests and taking over government places just makes them lose rationality. The more they are leading the country to harm, no one will have faith in them. That's why they can't bring down the PPP. They have to use reasoning and speech to get the country back.
comment 93
Kornchanok date : 30/08/2008 time : 23.21
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/kornchanok

I still believe in the rule of law. At least, laws are what make society survive. It means we can still have something to stick to even when we start from square one again.
comment 92
FelixQui date : 30/08/2008 time : 18.45
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

From peacefulness's thoughtfully supplied photo evidence, the PAD mob looks much smaller than in the 91,000 stadium.
comment 91
peacefulness date : 30/08/2008 time : 17.02
nationmultimedia.com


correction-- c87/88/89 bird nest's should be "bird's nest".
comment 90
peacefulness date : 30/08/2008 time : 16.51
nationmultimedia.com


bird's nest stadium on 08/08/08

the stadium in denver is in no way to
match the bird's nest in beijing.
comment 89
peacefulness date : 30/08/2008 time : 16.41
nationmultimedia.com


the bird nest's accommodates full capacity up to 91.000 spectators , plus athlets and perfomers will be approx. 100.000 more or less on 08aug08, the pads on the streets is much more than that.
comment 88
peacefulness date : 30/08/2008 time : 16.38
nationmultimedia.com


the bird nest's accommodates full capacity up to 91.000 spectators , plus athlets and perfomers will be approx. 100.000 more or less on 08aug08, the pads on the streets is much more than that.
comment 87
peacefulness date : 30/08/2008 time : 16.35
nationmultimedia.com


the bird nest's accommodates full capacity up to 91.000 spectators , plus athlets and perfomers will be approx. 100.000 more or less on 08aug08, the pads on the streets is much more than that.
comment 86
wch date : 30/08/2008 time : 10.08

Tomorrow, I will translate it.
comment 85
wch date : 30/08/2008 time : 10.06

Anyone interested to my comment 1, please refer to followings (ask someone to translate it if cannot readable).

http://www.matichon.co.th/matichon/view_news.php?newsid=01for03280851§ionid=0104&day=2008-08-28

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comment 84
FelixQui date : 29/08/2008 time : 17.03
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Pardon my dyslexia.
rad's Comment 81. Definitely 81.
comment 83
FelixQui date : 29/08/2008 time : 17.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Sorry, comment 71.
comment 82
FelixQui date : 29/08/2008 time : 17.01
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

I think rad has a point in comment 71.
The government should have acted more forcefully when teh protesters invaded Government House. By allowing a mob whose explicit goal is to overthrow the Thai constitution and abolish democracy to go unchecked, teh government has failed to carry out its duty to the Thai people against a serious attack.
comment 81
rad date : 29/08/2008 time : 15.32

Ginola, 70
Again you start blaming PAD for the governments inability to do their job or excusing the government or maybe a little of both.

The government is responsibile for letting this situation get out of hand. How can you hold a mob accountable? You can't, but the government can. At what point do you believe that the government should take responsibility? And, what about the non PAD related jobs that they have not been doing and are still ignoring.

PAD has government house, bad PAD. But that doesn't solve the problem? They are wrong, that doesn't get it either.

The government wasn't doing their job before PAD, during PAD and probably won't do it after PAD. They see their job differently than you do.

Beat PAD all you want but you are beating a dead horse, the government should be the target.
comment 80
catch22 date : 29/08/2008 time : 12.43
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

'inside human scrum' - that's funny wc.
comment 79
wch date : 29/08/2008 time : 12.26

Police did not allow any sanitary vehicle being supplied by BMA. so, volunteers dug the sewage drainage of the complex and set many makeshift toilets with canvass.

Female sanitarywares are now supplied and freely change it inside human scram, with big smile,

In fact, everything turns a FUN to them, the benign personality of Thai people !
comment 78
catch22 date : 29/08/2008 time : 11.51
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Haven't Bangkok people got anything better to do?

I wonder what they did with all that smelly underwear, wringed them out and used it as 'naam plaa'?
comment 77
wch date : 29/08/2008 time : 11.41

Some bloggers seems interesting in the number of SITE Demonstrators.

In day time, the scene becomes thin because they need bathing and packing foods.
In general, single demonstrators are few but in form of family or village friends. Men go to walk in day time, then return in evening with stuffs for his wife. Therefore evening time is doubled in number.
Also Bangkok people has habit always, demonstration must be after sun set. Becaue it is cooler and more fun as more interesting speeches are told.

Also, more police is gethering around the site, more people come out. This is Bangkok people.
Military troop is seen, more people come out because they think the military is safe.

The trust on Police in this situation is zero.
Most of 178 new promoted police officers are mostly promoted by connection and more badly by past suppression achievement of demonstrators of Bangkok.

Samak set more hostility to the people by sudden promotion and reshuffle of police high rankers.

He knows this sentiment very well, but he does it.
Because his psychology is abnomal and bizzaire.
This time he must be careful for his life.
comment 76
catch22 date : 29/08/2008 time : 11.30
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

I watched that convention live and can assure you if the same amount of people were protesting at government house, Thailand would be under different rule by now.

Personally I think even 10,000 is an exaggerated estimate made by desperate PAD supporters.
comment 75
Ginola date : 29/08/2008 time : 11.21
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ginola

This is a stadium filled up by some 75,000 people: http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Detail.aspx?axd=DetailPaging.Search|1&axs=0|82593894%2c82593864%2c82593843%2c82593819%2c82593813%2c82593801%2c82593798%2c82593784%2c82593777%2c82593775%2c82593752%2c82593749%2c82593744%2c82593734%2c82593725%2c82593722%2c82593720%2c82593717%2c82593715%2c82593713%2c82593712%2c82593711%2c82593709%2c82593706%2c82593705%2c82593703%2c82593697%2c82593693%2c82593691%2c82593690%2c82593689%2c82593688%2c82593687%2c82593682%2c82593680%2c82593678%2c82593672%2c82593665%2c82593664%2c82593660%2c82593650%2c82593647%2c82593646%2c82593640%2c82593635%2c82593632%2c82593623%2c82593621%2c82593619%2c82593600%2c82593589%2c82593587%2c82593571%2c82593569%2c82593558%2c82593556%2c82593553%2c82593548%2c82593532%2c82593530|0&id=82593635

The PAD doesn't look anything close to this.
comment 74
wch date : 29/08/2008 time : 10.55

Not much grains is here but, this,

wch and peacefulness,
If your numbers are right and teh PAD is so popular, why did the party most like them (the Democrats) lose teh election? ANd lose again? And lose again?

1. total votes of each PPP and Demo is same, 12 millions as consequent number of party list MP are 35 persons. However, the same vote number delivered electoral MPs, PPP 200 vs Demo 130.
This is because Democrat is based in urban and middle class who are diversified fairly to each of political parties.

This 12 m Democrat yes voters are very educated and selective on the party policy as well as the morality of party leaders and candidate.

As one could see clearly the face of the PAD demonstators, they have clean face, no stein of poverty. They are retired officers, teachers, professional people who maintain the mob in orderly discipline. They install stool for medical support, foods ration, self-protection, policing and training of orderly demo and education, religeous session over bored demonstrators.

Patient over patient, this silent people now came out, to change the nationhood.

Some bloggers doubt the popular support to PAD but, even last night, UNION of RAILWAY joinded PAD. Bangkok Bus Union will follow, Electricity union is standby at complex of EGAT, Water union is standby at Bang Khen complex, Telephone union is ready to disconnect all Samak government communication system. Banker's union is ready to stop servicing government money transfer.

Samak is dead already, Then, What is Smak waiting for ?. COUP.

It is the finest shape for him to step down. It will help him to secure his personal safety in the aftermath.

This will not happen. Chamlong wants Samak to spend his rest of life in jail.
comment 73
Ian date : 29/08/2008 time : 05.12
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

expresso, your sharp-shooters are shooting from the heart, it's time to start shooting from the brain. Emotional reactions and attitudes are not going to solve Thailand's problems.
comment 72
expresso date : 29/08/2008 time : 03.55
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Yo, what has the government been working on? Do tell, my man.
comment 71
expresso date : 29/08/2008 time : 02.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

The writings on the wall are now showing more clearly?

How do we achieve national unity with such concealed writings on the wall? The writings are good, I reckon.

With such good writings particularly coming from a Thai, the foreign 'intellectuals' and the armchair academics condemn people like Piset, Dalmatian, Mamasan - the straight shooters - as arses. At least 'rad' makes sense, assuming 'rad' is a foreigner.
comment 70
Ginola date : 28/08/2008 time : 20.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

rad 68 and peacefulness:

A good political watchdog does not seize ministries, govt houses or TV station. The role of the public in checking the govt should be encouraged, but it must be done within the legal framework and with consideration of other people and the country's interests.

Seizing the government house freezes the government from working. As a Thai citizen, I want my government to be working! There are things to be done, problems to be tackled and policies to be made! Disrupting the govt's work and forcing it to resign might be what the PAD think is best for the country, but in millions of others' mind it certainly is not! How can the PAD ignore those who disagree with its action? Do you think the PAD owns this country and so can do anything it wants? That's arrogant, egoistic and unreasonable.

So, the most fundamental flaw of the PAD is that it wrongly believes that it is representing the Thai public for the interests of Thailand. It merely represents a fraction of the Thai population for the interests of Thailand in the opinion of that fraction.
comment 69
Ian date : 28/08/2008 time : 18.40
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch and peacefulness, are good examples of PAD supporters, as the saying goes with friends like these, who needs enemies.
The PAD started out as a political watchdog, it has evolved into a political weapon aimed at the total destabilisation of Thailand.
One has to ask who will gain most from this destabilisation, who will the people turn to in their desperation?
Anyone who knows Thailand well knows this is a rhetorical question.
Are the manipulators being themselves manipulated?
comment 68
rad date : 28/08/2008 time : 18.10

Couple of questions;
Would anybody care if no one watched the government, just let that democratically elected group go about their business unhindered?

If yes ignore the rest of this.

If no, then are you going to do it? PAD is doing the watchdog role about as well as the government is doing the running the country role, but they are doing it, skip the rhetoric about why, they are still the only ones doing it.

The big difference is that the government is spending taxpayers money while accomplishing very little.

So if you disagree with PAD, are you going to assume the watchdog role? Or are you going to condone, tacitly of course, another 75 years of Thai democracy?

Beating PAD does nothing to help the situation, beat the government to do their job, the one they were elected to do, the one they are paid to do.
comment 67
catch22 date : 28/08/2008 time : 15.07
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

PoNg - lol.

I think you can see the irony of what PAD have done, i.e. make themselves look absolutely stupid and lower Thailand's credibility in world standings.
comment 66
PoNg date : 28/08/2008 time : 14.44
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/jaratpon

Hurray! In Thailand we can take over government property as we wish, since it belongs to the citizens. I am a citizen as well, lets see, which department should me and my group of friends can try to take over tomorrow....
comment 65
catch22 date : 28/08/2008 time : 12.46
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Kh. Veen (52)
I like PAD Thai, and I like it with egg.
Not the ever increasing type of egg that Dalmasian is wiping off his face though.
comment 64
FelixQui date : 28/08/2008 time : 11.46
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

wch and peacefulness,
If your numbers are right and the PAD is so popular, why did the party most like them (the Democrats) lose the election? ANd lose again? And lose again? It can't just be a few votes for cash: or do you think the majority of Thai people really are that selfish and stupid? I don't. They voted for Taksin because they approved of his policies. They then voted for Samak because he was most like Taksin and most likely to continue the same policies. You might think those policies were bad, as I do, but that does not change the fact that the majority of the Thai people voted for them.

If the PAD's policies are so wonderful, why are the Democrats now distancing themselves from the PAD? And why have more than 70% of the Thai people said that the PAD is in the wrong?
And why is the PAD now refusing to abide by teh rule of law? Or is it "One law for our enemy, and a different law for us"? A whiff or two of hypocrisy here, I think. Or does the PAD now believe that the Thai courts are corrupt and are being manipulated? That sounds like a familiar charge, too.

If the PAD's policies are to wonderful, why must they be FORCED on the Thai people? The PAD wants to abolish democracy in favour of apointed rulers - the majority of THai people will never vote for them or their policies, and the PAD know that, which is why they oppose democracy in favour of more army coups and dictatorship. All the PAD cares about is forcing their ideas on everyone else, by any means and at any cost to the Kingdom of Thailand. The PAD appears to happy to harm the Kingdom to get their way.

Although their motives might be well meant (as were the inquisition's, Hitler's, Mao's, Castro's, etc.), their acts are wrong and unjust.
There is something fundmentally rotten with the PAD. It urgently needs some new leaders who care about reason, justice and democracy. However good their intentions, the current PAD leaders care for none of these things. They belong in gaol and teh court warrants for their arrests for treason against the Kingdom and other charges should be executed.

(Ginola, if you would like to, please feel free to delete my last comment 63 - after hitting send, I realised it was so full of typos as to make it unclear, so I've redone it. My apologies for such sloppiness.)
comment 63
FelixQui date : 28/08/2008 time : 11.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

wch and peacefulness,
If your numbers are right and teh PAD is so popular, why did the party most like them (the Democrats) lose teh election? ANd lose again? And lose again?

If the PAD's policies are so wonderful, why are the Democrats distancing themselves from the PAD? And why have more than 70% of the Thai people said teh PAD is in wrong?
And why is the PAD now refusing to abide by teh rule of law? Or is "One law for our enemy, and a different law for us"? A whiff or two of hypocrisy here, I think. Or dose the PAD now believe that the Thai courts are corrupt and are being manipulated? That sounds like a familiar charge, too.

If the PAD's policies are to wonderful, why must they be FORCED on the Thai people? The PAD wants to abolish democracy in favour of apointed rulers - the majority of THai people will never vote for them, and the PAD know that, which is why they oppose democracy in favour of more army coups and dictatorship.

Although there motives might be well meant (as were Hitler's, Mao's, Stalin's, etc.), their acts are wrong and unjust. There is something fundmentally rotten with the PAD. It needs some new leaders who care about reason, justice and democracy. However, good their intentions, the current PAD leaders care for none of these things. They belong in gaol and teh court warrants for their arrests should be executed.
comment 62
peacefulness date : 28/08/2008 time : 11.20
nationmultimedia.com

correction--- the route of all evil should be "the root of all evil" tks
comment 61
peacefulness date : 28/08/2008 time : 11.14
nationmultimedia.com

c53,

1ly u r a perfect liar , the numbers are higher and higher than what u mentioned.

2ly did u realize that the square face and the big nose ever trust the poll when it is not in their favour????????? and who cares about the polls.

3ly the government of the THUGS should be rooted out long time ago not now.

4ly many many many pad members are highly educated, fully understand the ins and outs of the nowadays political situation more than u and the alikes in the nation blog site, including those half-baked.
"civil disobedience" can be fruitful and successfull regardless of numbers. pls study more .

5ly this government was democratically elected, it is bullshit. hv u ever heard that 200bht pervote 1000perfamily at the north and northeast, including some community in bkk area. the government of the thugs never observes the rule of law as u mentioned including the square face, a fugitive fleeing to uk by jumped bail.

lastly pad members are not stuborn and childish, we are mostly highly educated, some of us can be ur father mother , or even grand father/mother. we can not let the country in the hands of the thugs, godfathers, influential figures, mafias, corrupt politicians, nominees, servile sycophants, lackeys of the square face, the route of all evil.
comment 60
Ginola date : 28/08/2008 time : 11.13
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

ct 59 wch:

That's very propaganda-like. Numbers without logic or evidence or unbiased analysis of the actual situation.

I don't want to counter each of your claims here because I think the flaws are so obvious. Others must be able to see how your claims are simply wrong.

I did vote for the Democrats and I'm a mobile phone user, and yet I do not agree with the PAD. People around me, many of whom have been PAD supporters, also do not agree with the PAD's latest action. They think it's silly and won't make anything better.
comment 59
wch date : 28/08/2008 time : 10.55

PAD people now in government houses and street of Bangkok is the action group.

Behind them are 12 millions voters of the democract party. (PPP votes is same 12 million from mainly isan and the north).

Behind them are 2 million city dwellers of isan and the north who once supported PPP but now converted to PAD. This people are the group of each provinces. Three major road routes are now blocked by this rural city dwellers, they are at Nakorn Sawan, Korat and Chumpon.
Chonburi is now gethering in very strong.

Military and young police officers are behind PAD.
This is very much risky part that their top boss now hold ORDERS.

All media of Thailand are behind PAD.

Half of government officials are behind PAD, who are supplying secret documental evidences of Criminal Samak gangs.

80% of nation teachers of 300,000 are behind PAD.
95 % of national hospital professionals are behind PAD. (They against 30% samaritan).

People want the examption of monthly 500 baht compulsory fee of mobile telephone fee in same policy of free bus, free water, free electricity.
Samak government can not do this because THAKSIN SOLD the signal to Temasek.

90 of mobile phone users are now behind PAD.

Are all of these not enough ???
comment 58
peacefulness date : 28/08/2008 time : 10.49
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c53,
comment 57
Ginola date : 28/08/2008 time : 10.39
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

wch 56,

You said government house belongs to the Thai population and so the PAD can occupy its own "property". What is wrong about your thinking is that the PAD is just some 20-30 thousands of the 65 million Thai population. Who should occupy the government house should be decided by the whole population, not by the PAD. I am a Thai citizen and according to your logic, I should own the government house too. Does that mean the PAD will listen to me if I, as a shared owner of this property, ask the PAD to leave so that the government can come back to work?

I think your logic is simply silly. I'm not trying to attack you, but your logic is really silly in my eyes.

I agree with you that the Thai police is not the most honest and that the justice is not always fairly served here in Thailand, but that does not have anything to do with the PAD's action. Thaksin is being tried in court, for christ's sake. The PAD may blame the government for allowing THaksin to leave the country and escape from charges, but it was actually the court who allowed him to leave.

On your last line, I cannot agree with that at all. You are so so so naive to believe that a military government is not crooked and corrupt. Don't you study Thai political history? Is the military so clean and saintly?

In fact, just look at the last military-backed government under Surayud. How many generals became the board members of the various state-owned enterprises and earned handsome money and made some free overseas trips with their families? How much the revenue for military go up and how much "commission" is paid to the generals? How was the performance of that government? Was it more competent and cleaner than Thaksin's or Samak's?

You can also look at the military recruitment (conscription) process in Thailand to understand how corrupt the military is. Billions of baht is involved each year in bribes in this process! And this is just one process; I told you before about my relative who works in the navy. Faking receipts and adjusting accounts are norms! For some reason, noone talks about these corruption and instead many people welcomed the military in September 2006.
comment 56
wch date : 28/08/2008 time : 10.20

55,

1. Government premises are belonging more to PAD, a part of thai poplulation. It does not belong to criminal Samak or his crime syndication.

2. PAD occupied their own property, in order to remove the thieves of their own money.
Commerce ministry building is owned by PAD, not Chaiya who takes bribe from 51 criminal rice miller.
PAD has right to arrest Chaiya.

3. NBT is belonging more to PAD, not criminal Samak and his appointed director of PAD.

4. The mandate of election on Samak and his criminals is overdued already. They stole 6 months budget, sold the sovereign land.
The criminals try to write the criminal laws. This is impossible. This can not be stopped because the police is same crininal syndication.

People has right to rebel and most of rebellions of world history were duly served but never crime syndication survived.

Thai police is the utmost power, the supreme court above all exsiting courts of Thailand.
Whatever the courts verdicts, police ignored, like Vatana and Thaksin case but,
they act within 24 hours upon PAD arrest warrant.

Justice does not exist and people has right to uprise and overturn such criminal government.

Rather than criminal government, military government is better.
comment 55
Ginola date : 28/08/2008 time : 09.53
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

wch ct 54:

You are missing the important point. Whether the Samak government is crime syndication or not, it does not justify the PAD's action in the "final war". If you believe the government has many corrupt cases, then you can initiate a legal process. There is no reason for you to use "extra-judicial means" like seizing the government house to force the government to resign. That's not how it works in a civilized, democratic society.

The bottom line is you cannot just say someone is guilty and then you use highly inappropriate means to punish that someone. For example, Thaksin should not allow police to short-circuit the legal process and kill thousands of people who are supposedly drug dealers. No matter how bad they are, we should rely on the legal process to get them punished.

You can say all the bad things about the government, wch, but those things will never justify the PAD's illegal action. You need concrete evidence to sue any individual or government through legal process. You can also stage rally and criticize the government, but you can't seize government house and ministries to force the government to resign. The government's evil does not allow you or the PAD to use bad means! Don't you understand this simple rule?

Even if the government does resign and the PAD declares its "victory", the Thai public won't be happy. Pro-government people will remain unhappy with the PAD because the government has been removed improperly. Thai society will remain divided and the country won't improve! The PAD wrongly believes that removing this government will improve the politics or fate of Thailand!

Just think about it carefully.
comment 54
wch date : 28/08/2008 time : 09.09

to the text and the author,
Samak government is crime syndication.

All requisites to be a crime syndication is enough matured. Listen to this,

1. A criminal controls the group, so it is criminal syndication.
" I am appointed by Thaksin" Samak confirmed this.

2. Crime syndication has single goal, the money by ways of steal, terror, lynch, bribe taking.

Transportation minister,now siphon 100,000 million baht by name of 6000 cng bus purchase from China. Agent is Pojaman, Pojaman's company is the contractor.

Commercie minister takes bribe from 51 black list rice millers who cheated, not delievered rice having already been paid by tax money. They stole the money for last 8 years Thaksin time and siphoned all those money to UOB Singapore.

Finance minister siphoned 500 million dollars to each provincial administrations of Isan and Chiangmai, and already 25% of it is disappeared without evidence. (They have paper contract of purchase of school books but the books do not exist).

Public health minister signed pharma factory construction to his own construction companies.

Samak gave the purple metro line constract to his old-alliance company of "Italian-", Public health minister taking another line,
Chat Thai leader's 30% nominee holding construction firm "Ch.T" taking another line.
* Democrat will send people to JBIC, not to accept those constract, reopen the bid.

Ministers former, incumbent steal the money from NBT.

Virtually every minister is now moving their 5 % companies - 3-5 companies to bid small or medium size constracts, other bidders are disqualied earlier stage.

President of lower house tries to take bribe from the construction contractor for new parliament building at the military land. His goal is to sign on December 5.

Second Phase Suwannaphumi airport contract is now in full speed.

Cases are endless.

Udon lynch mobster head is the secretary of Samak. Samak is the head of Udon lynch but they disappeared.

Arrest warrants were given, first Vatana, Thaksin and now 9 PAD leaders,
Why police must take 25 hours arrest operation, while forgetting Vatana and Thaksin arrest warrant ?. Becasue Thaksin is their mafia boss.

Samak government try to abolish the constitution and the independent organizations to give amnesty to Thaksin. This is grave crime worthy to firing squad or gillotine (if real uprise comes).

Samak's godfather denied Thai sovereignty.

Any one can contest to me, why Samak government is not crime syndication.
comment 53
Ginola date : 28/08/2008 time : 03.15
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Peacefulness:

Has it ever occured to you that the PAD's action is not supported by most of That people? I mean if people really agree with the PAD, there would be hundreds of thousands or million on the street of Bangkok. Instead, you have like 10,000 to 30,000 protesters on the street.

Have you ever thought about what most Thais think about the situation? I believe you have very good intention for the country and you believe what you're doing is good for the country. But you know what's the problem with this? It is the fact that most people, at least 70% according to a poll, disagree with the PAD's action. These are people who care about this country too but do not believe that what the PAD did is good for the country. Some of these people might also hate the government, but they don't think seizing the government house or blocking the highways is the answer.

You and the PAD just want to overthrow this government even though most people do not want the government to be removed. What special right do you have that gives you the power to demand government's resignation at all costs? Do you think you're more moral or special or cleverer that other Thais who also care about the country?

The PAD's action just confirms that the PAD is a bunch of stubborn people - some of whom genuinely care about this country - who refuse to listen to others or respect the rule of law. Civil disobedience, peacefulness, will be successful if most people in this country agree with you. But I'm sorry to say that that's not the case.

This government, democratically elected, is corrupt and incompetent in many ways, but the rule of law provides channels in which the government can be checked and removed if needed. It should never be easy, peacefulness, to remove a democratically elected government. Plus, one has to consider the big picture and the economic costs involved too.

The PAD people should stop being stubborn and childish. The fate of the whole country cannot be decided by the demand of a handful of people. I hope you understand...
comment 52
veen date : 28/08/2008 time : 02.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/veen

Ginola, your last line is touching. I can't agree more.

Catch22, are you hungry when you think of PAD Thai??

Peacefulness, that toenail doesn't look like a square to me....
comment 51
peacefulness date : 28/08/2008 time : 00.11
nationmultimedia.com


pad members brave heavy wind and rain tdy and stay put at the government house.
comment 50
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 23.58
nationmultimedia.com


sonthi addressed to pad members at government house.
comment 49
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 23.56
nationmultimedia.com

sonthi limtongkul addressed to pad members at the government house.

now the civil court issued court injunction for the removal of all pads from the government house with immediate effect.

now the pad exercising "civil disobedience" , whatever will be will be............
comment 48
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 23.21
nationmultimedia.com

the "ingrown toenail" belongs to the fugitive square face when fleeing to uk by " jumped bail ". hahahahahahaha..............
comment 47
catch22 date : 27/08/2008 time : 22.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

PAD (Thai)....sounds like a bunch of noodles to me.

Wow, is that your toe
comment 46
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 21.24
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Catch22 -- the nowadays political situation in thailand just llike what u said "ingrown toenail", that is why we the pad have to rise up and do every possible way to remove samak's gnikcuf administration with all costs. day in day out, nite in night out since 25may08. pls wait and see what will happen next, now the 9 leaders are under arrest warrant, and the g/d government is waiting for the civil court to issue the court injunction to remove the pads out from the government house. unable to expect what will happen tonite and tmw. tomorrow is another day ............hahahahaha........
comment 45
catch22 date : 27/08/2008 time : 20.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Yeah, it's all part of growth....just like an ingrowing toenail!!
comment 44
Ian date : 27/08/2008 time : 19.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Press release = damage control
comment 43
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 17.07
nationmultimedia.com

same as comment 42 , press release from mof thailand

""ÊÔ觷Õèà¡Ô´¢Öé¹á¹è¹Í¹ÇèÒ¡Ãзº¡ÃÐà·×͹¡Ò÷èͧà·ÕèÂÇ ¡Ãзº¡ÃÐà·×͹àÈÃÉ°¡Ô¨ä·Â àÃÒÍÂÒ¡¨ÐãËéµèÒ§»ÃÐà·Èà¢Òà¢éÒã¨ÇèÒà˵ءÒóì¤ÃÑ駹Õéà»ç¹Êèǹ˹Ö觢ͧ¡ÒÃàµÔºâµ·Ò§¡ÒÃàÁ×ͧ»ÃЪҸԻäµÂ¢Í§ä·Â ÊèǹÍÐäèÐà¡Ô´¢Öé¹µèÍä» ¡çµéͧ¤Í´١ѹ" ¹ÒÂ൪¡ÅèÒÇ" tks a million.
comment 42
peacefulness date : 27/08/2008 time : 17.01
nationmultimedia.com

after the whole scenario on 26aug, mr Tej Boonnag faxed to thai embs based abroad as flw partly


Qte
The incident on Tuesday would certainly affect the Thai tourism and economic sectors, but the government would like other countries to understand it is part of political growth in the democratic regime, Foreign Minsiter Tej Bunnag said.


Unqte

may be the minister is the pad's supporter same same peacefulness hahahahahaha.................thks a million His Excellency Tej Boonnag.
comment 41
Ginola date : 27/08/2008 time : 13.38
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Expresso:

I once pointed out that the constitution should be amended based on the good/bad substance of the constitution, not on who will benefit from the amendment. However, after reconsidering the political situation, I did change my mind and thought that the constitution amendment should be put on hold.

In my blogs, I try to be as logical as possible. I am not pro-anyone but even if I do, I will try to leave that out from my blogs. After all, noone (Thaksin, Samak, PAD or me) is totally good or totally bad, and thus appropriate criticisms and praises should be lavished fairly on everyone.

On the PAD's latest move, it is clear that the public is not supporting it. A latest poll shows over 70% of those surveyed condemning the move.
comment 40
Ian date : 27/08/2008 time : 04.08
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Expresso, it's all wheels within wheels, most intelligent people know what is going on but we prefer to avoid prison by keeping quiet. Who is it that the army owes loyalty to, who has the quiet word in people's ears at various times? Who apart from Thaksin is probably the cleverest person in Thailand?
comment 39
expresso date : 27/08/2008 time : 00.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ian, perhaps the PAD was duped by the military so that Samak signed the military list without changing anything? This afternoon.
comment 38
expresso date : 27/08/2008 time : 00.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ian, c37. Henceforth, I said Ginola came with this blog!
comment 37
Ian date : 27/08/2008 time : 00.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Expresso, I think up to a point the PAD acted as a useful check on government power. Now though they seem to have totally lost the plot and gone overboard, I sense from the media that everyone is losing both sympathy and patience with them. The have become too impressed with their own success.
comment 36
expresso date : 26/08/2008 time : 22.39
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ginola, I must reckon that this blog of yours have outshone all your rest with regard to influencing people to go along with your subjective likings from the very start.

Though you have repeatedly said otherwise that you are not pro this or pro that, but the writings have always been on the wall.

You have just used another strategy, or subconsciously influenced, or as an independent individual, to define good and evil in a relative sense to attain your goal.

I, do too, do not agree with PAD's latest actions. I think it's putting all eggs in one basket which most likely will break all.

And then, if the gov't has not been so bold and strong-minded to change the constitution, would they have adopted such a strong measure.

Who else were there to urge the gov't to attain what's important for the country instead of just trying to change the constitution as their first priority. You were certainly not one, were you?
comment 35
Greenleave date : 26/08/2008 time : 19.43

Sorry -- suppose to be Sep 06
comment 34
Greenleave date : 26/08/2008 time : 19.40

I can only hope that the situation won't turn back as in Sep 07 when the military coup came into action.

Sigh...

Maybe the Thai can only be developing and can never be developed somehow.
comment 33
Hermano_Lobo date : 26/08/2008 time : 19.14
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez


You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

You say you'll change the constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well you know
You better free your mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright

(Lennon/McCartney)
comment 32
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 19.06
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Dalmasian will be along soon - he's just wiping some egg off his face.
comment 31
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 18.56
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Yuri - "Create Chaos as an excuse for a military coup? It has been done many times before around the World".

How true and PAD knows that the only possible chance they will ever have is if there's another coup and yet another 'fair and free election' which of course they haven't got a dogs chance of winning.....and so more protests.....and more coups.....this could go on for years!
comment 30
Hermano_Lobo date : 26/08/2008 time : 18.32
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Ginola,
PAD would evolve into something else rather than just stay as a protest group. It either becomes violent or Democratic. It is clear however, that they are pawns, a mob, controlled at a high level where the real political game is being played.
Create Chaos as an excuse for a military coup? It has been done many times before around the World.
comment 29
Ian date : 26/08/2008 time : 18.13
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

I have not yet read today's news, but reading this blog I don't really need to. Thailand seems to be increasingly afflicted with mass insanity, has anyone checked the water supplies or rice for contaminants. Is there too much lead pollution in Bangkok's air.
Apart from people like Dalmasian, who thinks the PAD can do no wrong, I think all rational people are aghast at these events.
comment 28
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 17.23
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

'Police ordered protesters who are now in the Government House to leave the compound by 6pm or to be removed'.

Why do they do everything arse backwards in Thailand? First the police let Thaksin stroll out of the country and then the next day say they want him back. Now the police let the protesters stroll into government house in the afternoon and now they want them out in the evening. Is it little wonder that the rest of the world laughs at Thailand?
comment 27
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 17.03
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Well they have certainly lost ANY chance they had of getting Mr T back. A British government would never hand an ex leader over to a banana republic where mob rule exists.
comment 26
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 17.00
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

People's Alliance for Dickheads
comment 25
FelixQui date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.57
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

And teh lead story on the BBC is now: ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7581565.stm

As teh BBC notes in the report, "Despite the name, the People's Alliance for Democracy is actually campaigning for an end to democracy."

Just what the international community needs to hear to firm up its opinions about Thailand, complete with video of the PAD mob's descent on NBTV.
comment 24
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.51
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

"The Army gave an assurance on Tuesday that it will not stage a coup following the chaos caused by protests against Samak Government".

This is like when a Premier League director says such and such manager's job is safe.....you know then that it is only a matter of time!
comment 23
Pat date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.35
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pat

Catch 22: Frankly, my fingers have been itching for so many months now to write/comment on our political situation but just don't have the guts to...poor me
comment 22
Pat date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.32
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pat

Come on Catch 22, we're really trying
comment 21
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.30
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

'an even stronger nation'
comment 20
Pat date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pat

Third world country? No. We are only in the process of learning and adjusting to become an even stronger nation. At some period in time, every nation faces similar problems and it takes the will of everyone to make sure that peace is sustained.
comment 19
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Blog is:
'All Quiet on the PAD front'
comment 18
FelixQui date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.23
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Catch is right - the police should not be watching helplessly, they should be arresting people, although I can understand that they might also be trying not to provide an excuse for the manipulative PAD leaders, like Chamlong, to incite their followers to even worse crimes.
comment 17
FelixQui date : 26/08/2008 time : 16.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Their deliberately escalating tantrum throughout the day has lost the PAD whatever vestige of respect any fair minded person could have had for it.
The leaders are nothing more than arrogant, self-serving thugs bent on getting their own way at any cost, with no regard to law, order or the welfare of Thailand and democracy.
Shame on them. And any supporter who continues to aid and abet their shameful behaviour.

The leaders should now be brought before the courts to be tried and punished for their crimes.
comment 16
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 15.44
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

'Police watched helplessly as hundreds of protesters stormed into the Government House on Tuesday'.

Police are not supposed to watch helplessly, they are supposed to uphold the rule of law - presuming they ever find out what it is.
comment 15
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 15.33
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

.....and a country run by pouting kids = ?
comment 14
GGrass date : 26/08/2008 time : 15.16
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/GGrass

Watching PAD today is like watching a little kid who's pouting when things don't go his way.
comment 13
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

I think we will reach a position of 'faite accompli' regarding a coup.....
.....then we can have another election and elect BBB or DDD.....and then have rallies on the street by PAD thugs.......oh dear, the joys of a third world country.
comment 12
catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.35
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Are you sure we are not living in 1917?

"Lenin was determined to lead his Bolsheviks to power by exploiting the weariness that affected Russian citizens and soldiers alike. Throughout the spring and summer he attempted to rally the crowds in the streets of St. Petersburg through rabble-rousing speeches. However, his efforts to transform the enflamed passions of the people to a march on the headquarters of the Provisional Government at the former Czar’s Winter Palace failed.
comment 11
Ginola date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Protesters storm into Finance Ministry (news from Nation)

"Protesters led by the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) seized the office of Finance Ministry on Rama VI road at 11.39am Tuesday.

The protesters broke the fourth door of the office of Bureau of the Budget at the ministry and raid into the ministry.

It was the second government agencies seized by the protest after the protester had seized the NBT channel early Tuesday morning."

This is sad. Truly sad. And bad. And mad. Where else does the PAD want to seize? What good will it do? I wish I could do something to stop this from happening but I can only condemn this barbarian, irresponsible, illegal, short-sighted and silly move of the PAD.
comment 10
Ginola date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.14
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Felix and Catch,

I don't understand why most of the PAD people don't realize that they are not doing things the right way. There are people like my friend, who is a PAD supporter, who do not agree with everything the PAD does. But it seems most PAD people are just doing whatever the PAD leaders tell them to do, even if those things are illegal and clearly inappropriate. Big sigh... for the country.

Hermano,

I think the PAD should not become a political party. I think political participation does not need to be in the form of forming a party and running elections. People in general can participate actively outside of parliament but they need to do so constructively. The PAD had the potential to be this strong group of people engaging in non-electoral participation, but sadly it has not lived up to its promise.

I think some anti-government people who don't agree with the PAD should form a new movement. Something like: "Constructive Movement for Political Reform" or "Constructive Movement for Good Governance". Hmm.. I seem to use the word "constructive" too often haha...
comment 9
Ginola date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.06
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

So, Dalmasian, are you saying that because Thaksin is a greater evil than the PAD, one should not condemn the PAD for its less evil (but still evil) actions?
comment 8
Ginola date : 26/08/2008 time : 13.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ginola
ginola

Dalmasian,

You have to stop viewing me as the PAD's enemy or a pro-government blogger. I am neither of those.

In fact, I did state in many occasions that I am not a big fan of this government or Thaksin. I don't normally put up a whole blog just to criticize the government simply because there are so many of criticisms of the government around. The PAD is specialized in criticizing the government and so why do I need to repeat the PAD's job?

Instead, I choose to criticize the PAD constructively. I have suggested several times that the PAD uses its strength constructively, criticizing the government with facts and avoiding confrontation and uncivilized means like seizing the TV station or using rude, divisive language.

Instead of being civilized, the PAD seems to think that because the government is so crooked that the PAD can use all kinds of means to remove the government, even if those means are illegal, costly and evil.

In your comment, Dalmasian, are you trying to use the government or pro-government's evil actions to justify the PAD's not-so-civilized actions? If so, I cannot agree with you on that. If the PAD is to have any real impact, it need to use legal means to attack the government. Just like Thaksin should not have allowed police to engage in thousand cases of extra-judiciary killings on drug dealers, the PAD should not use bad means to counter the evils.

It is unfortunate that I, among others, have lost our faith in the PAD. Despite having some good citizens with good intention as its members, the PAD has failed miserably to become a real, legitimate and reliable force to check the government's abuse of power.

My hope (which I don't think will be fulfilled) is that the PAD turns itself into a movement for true political reform. The PAD needs to realize that there is no obvious benefits in removing this government despite the government being incapable or crooked or whatever you say.
comment 7
Hermano_Lobo date : 26/08/2008 time : 12.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Dalmassian,
That is why PAD should become a political party, so they can fight from the ballot box and Parliament.
SOMEBODY is trying to set the stage for a coup.
comment 6
Hermano_Lobo date : 26/08/2008 time : 12.17
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Catch-
A Military Junta !
Who's lackeys are PAD ?
comment 5
Dalmasian date : 26/08/2008 time : 12.16
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/dalmasian

Ginola, I suggest yu condemn Thugsin and Pig-faced samak and the TRT and PPP goons at the Parliament as well. Who is/are the greater evil(s)?

Don't pick on the PAD alone.

Did you condemn the gangsters who harmed and tried to kill several of the peaceful PAD members in their recent rally in Khon Kaen?

Did you condemn the Pig-faced Samak's government and the so-called police (who were sworn to protect the people and keep peace and order) for not stopping and arresting the goons and gangsters there?

Did you condemn the Godfathers in Khon kaen who masterminded the incident, the very people who are in Pig-faced Samak's cabinet at that time?

Did you condemn the Khon Kaen police for not making any arrests of the gangsters after the fracas but instead recently arrested the woman PAD member who was so badly hurt she was bleeding all over and left by the goons on the side of the road as dead? Now she is being accused of starting the fight with the government-sponsored goons?

What kind of government do you have in Thailand? A government of gongsters and mobsters, that is? And who is the Great Helmman of these crooks? The great coward hiding in London. The coward who is afraid to face the truth and fight the charges against in in the courts of law. And who is his chief puppet? The Pig-faced liar in Government House.

Be truthful, Ginola, if you want to be a fair blogger. Stop bullshiting!

-- Dalmasian
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catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 12.15
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Ginola - I second Felixes endorsement of this blog statement - very well put.

Tow - I told you that your sense of humour is good.
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Tow date : 26/08/2008 time : 11.58
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/jirawit
Close to nature ...

catch22,
PAD...?
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catch22 date : 26/08/2008 time : 11.52
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Remove the government at all costs and replace it with.........??
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FelixQui date : 26/08/2008 time : 11.51
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

Well put Ginola.
I agree completely.
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