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Monday , August 11 , 2008
Thaksin, justice and "doing evil in order to do good"?
Posted by Ginola , Reader : 938 , 17:50:18  
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Which is more important to you: (A) Getting things done using whatever means possible or (B) Doing things the right way and hope for the desired outcome?

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The rumor has come true: Thaksin is gone. He has fled to England and has made it clear of his intention not to return to fight for the charges.

In his hand-written statement, he claimed that the judiciary process has been interfered and has used double standards against him to ensure that he gets punished and removed from Thai politics.

For once, there is some truth in his claim.

True enough, when he was in power, Thaksin himself did intervene in the judiciary system and independent organizations. To see these organizations being intervened by the very person to whom they are supposed to provide checks is discouraging and disappointing.

But it is also very hard for an unbiased observer not to believe that the whole judicial process against Thaksin has been politically motivated and interfered. I'm not saying that the court has surely and definitely been interfered and has been biased against Thaksin. I'm just saying that it's hard for a layman not to believe that the court has been free from pressure from influencial figures.

This is also discouraging and disappointing.

Surely, Thaksin needs to be tried, but the process needs to be transparent, fair and just.

In this regards, the establishment of the Asset Examination Committee comsisting of "obvious" anti-Thaksin personnel was the best example of how the process of achieving justice is not just. Putting obvious anti-Thaksin persons in charge of Thaksin corruption cases was far from just. The AEC should have comprised "neutral" people who at least did not clearly belong to either side.

With the establishment of the AEC as a bad start in the process to get Thaksin punished, it's hard to argue against Thaksin's claim that the judiciary system has been interfered by his political enemies with the outcome of the trial determined in advance. It's hard to believe that the various influential anti-Thaksin figures in Thai politics are not pressuring the judges. 

It's sad for me to see how the whole judiciary system in Thailand "seemingly" being interfered by some influential figures - pro-Thaksin or anti-Thaksin alike.

Even for a much bigger crimes as in the case of the Khmer Rouge, the whole jucidial process is much more transparent and just than the process against Thaksin. It will likely take longer to complete but it is indeed a just way of achieving justice.

If we do things the right way (don't stage a coup, get him on trial without interfering in the trial process) and in the end Thaksin somehow did not get punished, I would still be satisfied, although not that happy.

But if we do things the wrong way (stage a coup, set up the AEC with Thaksin's opponents, and interfer in the trial process) and in the end Thaksin is jailed, I am disappointed. I would not be happy at all with this "doing evil in order to do good" approach.

Similar line of reason applies for the PAD. If the PAD is critical of Thaksin and Samak in the right way (using proven facts, refraining from using extreme/irrational nationalism, distorted information, bad language and inaccurate accusations), I would love to support the movement.

But the PAD has used a combination of good and bad means in order to achieve its goals, and because of the bad means involved, I lose faith in the PAD.

And I've been losing my faith in Thailand in general too. It seems so many people in this country are willing to use "evil" means to achieve their ends.

When I play football, I love to win. But the win must be clean. Winning a game based on some cheating or bribing the referee or deliberately getting your opponents injured is not considered winning. It's a shame.

Different people think otherwise, but for me, the means is more important than the ends. Doing things the right way is more important than getting things done. 

Now that we have not done things in the most proper way, Thaksin can easily flee and should be able to get an asylum from some democratic government. He can always cite the coup and the AEC, claiming that he's not been fairly treated. And, unfortunately, there is truth in his case.

In the end, he would never get punished for his wrongdoings, not because he didn't do wrongs, but because we failed to do things the right way.

Justice, above all, needs to be achieved in a just way.


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comment 11
Ian date : 13/08/2008 time : 15.57
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comment 9, EXACTLY!
comment 10
wch date : 13/08/2008 time : 11.04

Ian,
a side story,
69 years old English 'lad' was throated, in his newly built, mension house at Roi Et city and now the police interrogate the wife, 42 and her relatives.
He bought her 7 rais land but she mortgaged it without her husband's consent and he drove her out of house.
Such crime is in fashion now and it is certain they do not live on such service.

GB can prove by sending Thaksins back to Thailand that they do not live on their money.
GB housed hundreds of criminals with huge billion pounds 'investment' so far under name of political refugees.

UK signed Siam on early 1900s' for criminal extradition treaty but never honoured it ever since.
comment 9
GGrass date : 13/08/2008 time : 08.35
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Ian: Now THAT was childish.
comment 8
expresso date : 12/08/2008 time : 22.31
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Ginola, wouldn't you say that even those with analytical mind cannot escape subjectivity, often reflected in the contents of what they write?
comment 7
rad date : 12/08/2008 time : 16.38

To answer your question, do it the right way. Dr t did not. Take a look at many of his own words.

As for the court being stacked against him, only by going through the process would one know. But, not going through the process would or should give a layman a clue other than the system is rigged. Take a look at the process that his wife was involved it. Not a bad example of a fair and just system in action.

To take to task the anti ex PMs investigators and omit the currents governments replacement of them with pro ex PMs guys begins to reveal the bias. If the facts are the facts who would work harder at revealing them?

Painting the trier of fact as bad to skip blame is a common criminals tact, one should look at the facts of the case, evidence will usually win out.
comment 6
Ian date : 12/08/2008 time : 16.34
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wch, "UK now lives on tips from criminals. "

What a childish comment, do I now retaliate by saying Thailand lives by selling its women for sex.

Grow up lad
comment 5
wch date : 12/08/2008 time : 08.44

His script seems written by PAD,

" Interupting judiciary process will not guarantee justice (to me)".

I think Kamnan Po and Vatana must have same belief as they settled down in new free country, Cambodia.

UK now lives on tips from criminals.
comment 4
Ian date : 12/08/2008 time : 03.26
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Thaksin, the Thai Robin Hood:-) He stole from the rich to give to the poor, just some money got stuck in his pocket by mistake
comment 3
zzrapistzandzbabykillerzonzdrugs date : 12/08/2008 time : 02.42

Taksin is a god to many people, here in south( I have stayed there for 10 years) and many other place in thailand. When PAD in puplic place, screamming YED-MAE Taksin, again and again.What would reaction be, from those who adore mr.Taksin.Mr. Taksin is the only great criminal in the history of thailand, who actually helped the poor to a future with money and education to look forward to.His tecnich and strategi for this, was a copy of, what we did in scandinavia and the rest of the west.I can not see how the hell this could betray the instituition of the monachy. sincerely yours: james christensen
comment 2
FelixQui date : 11/08/2008 time : 20.31
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I also totally agree.
To an observer who is no fan of Taksin, it looks like powerful and influential people behind the scenes are pulling strings to get what they want with zero interest in either justice or the rule of law. That is yet anohter black mark against Thailand's superficial pretence of pursuing a healthy democracy.
comment 1
Ian date : 11/08/2008 time : 19.03
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I totally agree, from start to finish this episode has never been about justice or fairness, it has simply been a battlefield between various vested interest groups. Even now I feel a battle has been lost but the war goes on.
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