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Friday , November 16 , 2007
What drives Samaks rude behavior?
Posted by Ginola , Reader : 428 , 13:35:26  
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This post is a comment to Avudh's blog: Loudmouthed Samak - an arse or a pain in the arse?

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Although Samak's arrogance and loudmouth have a lot to do with his personality, I think there is something more systematic at work behind his behavior.

Looking at politics in Thailand and other Southeast Asian countries, one thing stands out: individual personality matters a lot in politics! 

Thaksin, Marcos, Lee Kuan yew, Ho Chi Minh, Mahatir, Magsaysay etc.

One way or another, these leaders are/were “charismatic” figures! In SEA, individual's personality matters a great deal, probably because "party" or "institutions" are generally weak. 

Focusing on Thailand, I highlight below what I think have given rise to this fondness for charismatic, and sometimes rude and arrogant, leaders.

First of all, as mentioned above, the various "institutions" are weak. For example, political parties in Thailand do not represent any ideology. All parties are pretty much the same in terms of their policies. Thus, you can't rely on your party's ideology or policy to win votes, simply because there is no significant difference between different parties' policies! No matter how good you think you are, you can't be a "dull" party leader because you won't be able to attract people's attention.

So, if you are a leader of a party, how would you "sell" yourself to the public and differentiate yourself from other party leaders? Well, you have to stand out and use your personality to attract people's attention. You have to appear to be "the man of the people", daring and courageous, even arrogant at times. You have to show the people that you have that power to be a strong leader. That is, personality matters as much as (or even more than) policies in this political environment.

That's why we see people like Samak or Thaksin often playing down or saying rude things to the media or the academia. It helps build up their power status in the eyes of many people, especially the less educated and less economically sound.

Second, like you argue, the use of direct, authoritarian and "rude" language is indeed appealing to rural voters, workers and other lower class people. But why is this so? I believe it is because this is actually the way life is for these lower class people. For them, these "rude" words are commonly used in daily life and thus are not considered "rude". It’s embedded in their way of life.

Thus, when Samak or other politicians use this kind of language, it makes the lower class people feel like these politicians belong to the same group as they are, and that these politicians can thus represent and speak out for them. The use of “rude” language is thus an effective way for Samuk to differentiate himself from typical educated middle-class Abhisit, and win the heart of the lower class.

In my view, this phenomenon is thus another aspect of the gap between the educated urban middle class and the poor lower class that I talked about in my blog. While the educated middle class may find Samak to be rude and unacceptable by their high standards, the lower class might find his personality to be attractive.

Thus, although I dislike what he does, I could not blame Samak for his rude behavior. It is indeed not an irrational thing to do given the kind of culture and social structure that exist in Thailand right now.

What do you think?


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comment 15
redandwhitestripes date : 17/11/2007 time : 19.34
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Ginola, I also thought you were a native speaker. If only more Thai nationals thought like you in political terms (I guess I'd include my wife in that group, and hopefully my son in the future :-)) then perhaps the country would be under a better government.
comment 14
Ian date : 17/11/2007 time : 13.52
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Ginola, part of growing up is looking back at yourself and realising what an idiot you must have looked to others:-) In fact you probably did not, it is your newer wiser self passing judgment.
Over the years I have written many academic articles, whenever I reread them I invariably have to alter them, my thinking and knowledge has moved on.
I once started to write a book on the origins of humans, I gave up in the end, every few chapters new knowledge, new ideas, forced me to go back and rewrite what I had written:-)
Incidentally the process never stops, some of my ealy blogs seem quite stupid to me in hindsight, even some of my more recent ones.
That's life
comment 13
GGrass date : 17/11/2007 time : 10.44
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GINOLA FOR PM!!!
comment 12
Ginola date : 17/11/2007 time : 10.25
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ginola

Ian and GGrass: I must thank you both for your generous comments, but I am totally aware that there are so many things I don't know and don't understand. And being 23 years of age, I also lack that experience you guys have.

I've been blogging for a few years now - on and off. Some of my past blogs were well commented; others were criticized. At times, I was told "you're below standard. go back and study your stuff, brother".

But this is exactly my reason for blogging: to develop my intellectual thinking by sharing ideas with and learning from others. I do this with whatever knowledge and experience I have on hand at the time of writing. Indeed, when I have some time to read my old-day posts, I often find myself disagreeing with what I wrote in the past! That's good because I feel like I've learned more as I age. Maybe a couple of years from now, and my opinion would completely contradict what I write today.

I also hope that some of my thoughts would be benefitial to the community and provoke some constructive discussions on the various topics we are commonly interested in and concerned with. As a Thai person who has been fortunate enough to have been receiving some quality education at home and abroad, I truly want to develop an intellectual friendship with you all.

And so, as I embark on my new experience in the Nation blogging community, I sincerely thank you all for your warm welcome. I look forward to getting to know you and exchanging constructive thoughts with you all.
comment 11
GGrass date : 17/11/2007 time : 09.40
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ian: he sure does! i feel so fresh reading his blog and comments...
comment 10
Ian date : 17/11/2007 time : 09.39
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Cho, I don't care who he is, he writes a damned good blog.
He also confirms a point that I have often made in England, a really well educated foreigner usually writes better English than the average English person:-)
comment 9
GGrass date : 17/11/2007 time : 08.54
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ian: i told you... he's too good to be true. i'm thinking he's a look-krueng.

Ginola: you've become the newest 'star' of this site!! everyone's guessing who you are...

anyway, besides all that political crap, i really hope the upcoming election will be the last election for the next couple of years...
comment 8
Ian date : 16/11/2007 time : 23.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Ginola, I'll be damned, I genuinely thought you were a native English speaker, I would not have guessed you were Thai. I suspect you are not a product of the Thai education system:-)
comment 7
Ginola date : 16/11/2007 time : 23.01
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ginola

Ian: Thanks for your comment but let me admit that I had to consult dictionary for that "perspicacious" word! I write this way simply because, as a Thai person whose native language is not English, I am not comfortable with writing in a more complex and complicated style. So I have to stick with my simple and direct style

Avudh and redandwhitestripes: I couldn't agree more with your comments.

GGrass: Indeed the junta is trying in every way it can to ensure that the PPP does not win this election. However, my belief is that their attempt to manipulate political outcome has become much more difficult than before because the forces of popular sovereignty have become stronger. The military junta may be in power, but they are far from having absolute control. For example, the large number of people who voted against the constitution suggests that there are indeed a lot of people who disagree with the junta.
comment 6
Ian date : 16/11/2007 time : 22.11
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I would like to add to Greg's comment and say that your writing is not only perspicuous (as Cho and Avudh also said in different ways), but also perspicacious.
I mean this comment truly but also offer it as a test of understanding to our Thai readers:-)
comment 5
redandwhitestripes date : 16/11/2007 time : 19.19
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

Nicely put Ginola, you have a way of summing things up in a perspicuous manner.

I would agree Samak thinks he can win the election and I also agree with your reasoning for his behaviour. To take it one step further though, I believe the logic behind his behaviour does not change the end product: he is arrogant. He is arrogant and manipulative even compared to other politicos. Regardless of his target audience, I think his manner, his look and his overall demeanour betray the reality of a man who is not going to look out for anybody except the oligarchs.
comment 4
Avudh date : 16/11/2007 time : 15.04
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The Nation's military guru

I agree with GGrass that you leave little room for argument.
You have unmasked Samak in a way that seems to have shed more light than what has been mentioned my blog. For this I thank you for your thoughts.
One small point if I can add anything. A politician like Samak is always in existence throughout the ages everywhere. George W Bush is loudmouth in order to pitch rural conservatives against urban Americans. Samak is trying to cause divisiveness between the middle class and the working class.
comment 3
GGrass date : 16/11/2007 time : 15.00
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Ginola: The generals didn't stage a coup so that they can just hand the power back to 'you know who' after an election. And if you think this election is really about what the people want, then you must be one hell of an innocent person.

the election is not geared towards finding out who the winner is, but it's geared towards not letting PPP win.

now, to your 'interesting' question,

what if, despite all their attempts to stop PPP, the PPP actually gets the most votes, how would you and i respond?

i don't know about you, but as for me, i'll just get on with my life as it always has... i'll probably be careful of what i say for the fear of being on the 'black list', but i'm a small fish, and i don't think i really have to worry about that.
comment 2
Ginola date : 16/11/2007 time : 14.42
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ginola

GGrass: I have to say that I disagree with you that Samak thinks he won't win this election.

The lastest Suan Dusit poll shows that the PPP is likely win about 180 seats, 20 seats more than the Democrat's expected 160 seats. Although the accuracy of this poll is questionable especially when there is still quite some time before the election, it does suggest that the PPP has at least as much chance of winning as the Democrat.

Of course, the Democrat is set to win most of the Bangkok seats as expected, but Bangkok seats are just a portion of the total MP seats. So, I would contend that the PPP has a good chance in winning the upcoming election, and Samak, like it or not, has a good chance of becoming PM.

Now come the interesting questions:

What if the PPP really wins the election and Samak becomes PM?

How would the academia respond? How would the People Alliance for Democracy respond? How would the junta respond, given that Gen Sonthi has not ruled out the possibility of staging another coup if PPP wins? ("It is a future matter that we shall have to wait and see," Sonthi said when he was asked whether a coup will be staged if PPP gets to form a new government" - quoted from Bangkokpost)

How would you and I respond?
comment 1
GGrass date : 16/11/2007 time : 14.03
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Ginola: again, your blog gives no room for argument because it's clean and easy to understand.

now, here's what i think, in case you want to hear.

One has to look at 'intention' of a person's action. For example, a boyfriend and a girlfriend are fighting. over what, it doesn't matter. If the boy intends to mend the difference and get back with the girl, his action will show. but if the boy's intention is to break up with the girl, then he will act rude and vulgur.

I think Samak's intention is NOT to win the election, but just to screw things up.

'If I can't win the election, I couldn't careless what people think of my manners.'

this is what Samak must be thinking.

Why do i think he has no shot at winning the upcoming election?

Simple. Put aside who's running for the position, a PM of a Nation must have certain quality, and Samak does not have them.

Since his term as Mayor of BKK ended, so did his charm. He had his time, and now it's over.
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