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Saturday , July 4 , 2009
Who you gonna call....
Posted by Alien , Reader : 495 , 14:19:06  
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If there's something strange
In your neighborhood
Who you gonna call
(Ghostbusters)
If there's something weird
And it don't look good
Who you gonna call
(Ghostbusters)

I ain't afraid of no ghost
I ain't afraid of no ghost

While flipping through the TV channels tonight, I saw 2 programs with supposed Ghost Hunters.  They always claim that they hear things.  "What was that!?!...Did you hear that!?!  OH MY GOD....I JUST SAW SOMETHING....IT WAS A FACE...!!!"

In spite of it all, they never seem to get the ghost on camera.  They film these things with green light for some strange reason and the ghost hunters' eyes look like deer caught in your car headlights.

Thai people seem to be pretty superstitious.  I know a family that wouldn't buy a house because you could see a graveyard from the house.  I pointed out to them that you really had to stick your head out and strain your neck looking down the street and you could barely see the graveyard.  They didn't care.  The house was at a good price for around here but they wouldn't buy it.  I was told that another Thai girl jumped out the second floor window of a condo here in N.H. because she thought there was a ghost there.   

Anyone have any ghost stories?  Do you believe in ghosts?   

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comment 42
Ian date : 08/07/2009 time : 18.15
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For people who are really interested in knowing more I can recommend "The Scole Experiment" by Grant and Jane Solomon. There is also a dedicated website http://www.thescoleexperiment.com/
comment 41
GGrass date : 08/07/2009 time : 11.27
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ND : Sorry. I don't belive that.

I believe when you die, you goto this place, where you download your experience on earth while you were alive, and then choose which form you want to be born the next time, and reboot.

There's no heaven and hell when you die.

Heaven and hell exist when you are still alive.
comment 40
GGrass date : 08/07/2009 time : 11.25
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The bright light and faces of families and friends... That's because when one is about to die, their eyes don't work, and they have to rely on memories to project image, and when you're dying, that's what you think of, and want to see. Bright lights and your families.
comment 39
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 09.48
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Just remembered: One thing that always piqued my curiosity is the accounts of the people who had near-death experiences. It seems to be fairly common for them to describe a bright light and travelling through a tunnel. They often state that there were family members who have gone before being there to greet them. They also seem to have exact knowledge of procedures done in the operating room AFTER they had "died". It's all very interesting. I wish they would do more studies on this "phenomena."
comment 38
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 09.43
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Remeber "Firestarter" by Streven King. One of the protagonists working for the agency was involved in "wet" operations and would look into the eyes of the people whom he killed at the time of their death to see if he could see anything.

I also read that a study was done on the weight of people as they died. It did come out that immediately after death they were perhaps a quarter of an ounce lighter. Some say this is becasue the soul left the body and others claim it is the final breath being expelled. In any case, they decided it was an insignificant amount of weight.
comment 37
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 06.57
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I have heard the offhand story here and there where it still happens (dead people not being dead).

Joke: A man died and was being buried in the church. After the service, The pall bearers were carrying him out when one of them tripped over the threshhold, which was sticking up. The casket fell, broke open, and the man being buried moaned and came to life.

A couple of years later, he died and they were in the same church. When the service was over and the pall bearers were carring him out, the wife yelled out, "Watch your step. That threshhold is kind of high. Be careful."
comment 36
Ian date : 08/07/2009 time : 02.49
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there is a belief in many religions that the spirit takes 3 days to fully seperate from its earthly body. This is why many religions find a reason to wait 3 days before burial and cremation.
perhaps a more practical reason was that before modern technology they could not easily distinguish between death and deep coma. Research into burials of a few centuries ago have reveal claw marks on the inside lids of coffins where a buried person has regained consciousness only to find they were buried.
comment 35
Alien date : 08/07/2009 time : 01.35
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If there were ghosts, why aren't murdered people coming back and looking for revenge. If I was murdered and could come back, the perpetrator would end up commiting suicide by the time i got done haunting his house and his life.
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notdisappointed date : 07/07/2009 time : 19.59

gg, you are reborn into one of the levels of hell, each level depends on your karma and sins. And you will have to spend time in each level unitl reborn onto this world. hoever this doesn't mean you'll be reborn as a person. You could be reborn as a frog/tadpole and have people thowing rocks at you.
comment 33
Alien date : 07/07/2009 time : 11.50
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He's probably trying to find out when they are going to bury him!

I wonder how long it was after Elvis Presley's death before they started to see his ghost in Graceland. The problem they had was that other people were claiming that he was at Burger King. Has MJ gone to Burger King yet? Maybe he's a McDonald's or a "Wendy's man.
comment 32
GGrass date : 07/07/2009 time : 09.02
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On Today's Thai Rath newspaper, the biggest headline is about the ghost of MJ in Neverland ranch.
comment 31
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 23.12
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On one of my trips to Thailand, I went to Suponburi whee thee was this big giant Buddha. There was also an area with statutes that depicted Hell and showed people being tormented by demons. I also thought, "Why do they have a hell if they are going to be born again anyway?" Anyone have an answer?
comment 30
Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 22.56
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Now here is a question to ask a Buddhist. If when you die you get reincarnated, where do ghosts come from? It can't be because there is a queue because populations keep growing.
comment 29
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 13.56
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Well according to the programs they have on TV, they claim the ghosts made noises, speak and sometimes appear. I would think at least one ghost would have me follow it to where there is money buried or maybe where someone lost a gold and diamond ring. But noooooo....they don't bring me shit! How am I going to retire early unless they throw a little cash my way?
comment 28
GGrass date : 06/07/2009 time : 13.33
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They (ghosts) don't have rules, but the nature does.

Ghost, and livings, we are all part of nature.

And nature has drawn a line between the two entities, and declared it shall not be crossed.

But as with any boarder, it gets fuzzy if you get too close to it.

Most people live very far away from the boarder, so they never seem to be bothered with visitors from the other side, but there are those who live right next to the boarder.

They get to see a lot of violation of the nature's law. They themselves violate the law by peeking over the fence.
comment 27
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 12.40
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If there are ghosts, do you think they have rules? Why haven't any of my dead ancestors given me the numbers for the big lotteries like mega-bucks or mass. millions? they could write it on the mirror or make me dream of it or whisper it in the dead of night. Maybe it's against the rules?
comment 26
GGrass date : 06/07/2009 time : 11.57
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Alien: That's exactly what we thought too.

The four people doing it was all skeptical of each other. Everyone was accusing everyone of pushing the coin, but every one was denying they were.

Strange...

I sure wasn't trying to move the coin... I tried my best not to exert any force, other than just placing my finger tip.

So was everyone else...

The coin moved all over the board. Didn't give any meaningful answers...

The coin moved to numbers and alphabets, but they didn't make any sense.

I forget what questions we asked, but it didn't matter. What did matter was once the coin started to move, everyone freaked out and just watched the coin move around, until it came to stop and didn't move any more.

It was wierd.. and scary too.

Never want to do that again...
comment 25
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 11.10
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One would think that if 4 people put their fingers on a coin, it shouldn't move at all unless one or more of the people were pushing it. Do you think that was happening? It would be my first suspicion.
comment 24
GGrass date : 06/07/2009 time : 09.37
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Similar to Oujiboard. Coin-board. I played it before. It worked, and I will never play that again.

But that doesn't prove anything. It just proves that when four people put their fingers on a coin, the coin moves in random directions. Nothing more, nothing less.

What kind of sense we try to make of that, depends on the individual. If you want to think the ghost came and moved the coin, that's fine.

-------------------
I saw a ghost once. Almost undeniably.

I was in my wife's room, in her parents house, reading a book.

Then I saw a woman figure with long hair open the door and walk in the room, and walk straight into the bathroom.

At first I thought it was my wife, coz the hair was the same... straight and long.

But then, when I didn't hear anything from the bathroom for a long time, I stopped reading the book and looked at the closed door of the bathroom.

I thought to myself,

'What's taking her so long?'

And I waited, but nobody came out of the bathroom, so I knocked the door,

'Honey, are you alright in there?'

and when no answer came, I opened the door and I got the shock of my life.

There was nobody in the bathroom.

But I really thought I saw a woman walk in the room and enter the bathroom...

May be I was hallucinating, who knows.. but I swear I was sober at the time...
comment 23
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 06.52
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I meant that you may have been asking the Oija board itself questions like "Does Amanda love me?" or "Should I buy shares in Citibank?" To me, these would be questions that dead people wouldn't know. For them, I would ask "Where are you?" "Is my dog Spot there?" and "Where in the backyard did you bury the money?"
comment 22
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.23

asking regular questions from dead people. Isn't that where answers come from?
comment 21
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 02.19
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ND - were you trying to talk to dead people or just asking regular questions?
comment 20
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.15

I had a bad experience with a ouija board when i was in university. What a scare. The whatchamacalit tipped over and we all had the hair on our necks rise and the room went cold all of a sudden.

No more playing with any ouija board after that I can tell you!
comment 19
Alien date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.00
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The Oija board. The Catholic church advises against using this as they say you may invite demonic entities from the other side. Remeber the movie with Linda Blair "The Exorcist"? Some of my friends thought this movie was very scary but I didn't think so. I read somewhere that this was based on a true story but it doesn't seem to have been prominent in their advertising so that may not be true. Although I am highly doubtful about ghosts, using a Oija board seems to be throwing caution aside. I am wondering if a Oija board even works but I don't want to try to find out!
comment 18
Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 00.39
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There are 3 classic types of ghost, the passive kind that repeat a sequence and neither react to people or changes in the physical surroundings.
Then there are the interactive kind that attempt to communicate with the living.
Finally there are the poltergeists who go in for physical manifestations such as thrown or moved objects.
The second category includes the "hungry ghosts" it is common to meet these on Oija boards which is why these boards have beenn banned in most coutries.
comment 17
Alien date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.35
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Naive, if you liked "Sixth Sense", yo would love "The Others" with Nicole Kidman. It a little old but a very surprising ending. Great suspense.

I remember watching "The Entity". It was supposed to be based on a true story. I don't know if I believe that it was. I do know that "The Amityville Horror" was supposed to be a true story. The book sent many chills down my spine - it was well written. The I felt scammed when the authors were exposed a frauds. The movie was alright, not great.

They have those people on TV how supposedly can "contact the other side." I have heard sceptics who claim it is all a fraud.

I have never heard or seen a ghost. I wonder if some people are more attuned (mentally) so that they can see ghosts and maybe I'm just not open to it and so cannot see.

Some claim that the Gettysburg battlefield (Civil War) is the most haunted place in the U. S. because they had 51,000 casualties in the 3 day battle. My gut feeling is that if I went there, I still wouldn't see any ghosts.

Do you think some people are more open to seeing ghosts or is it merely their imaginations?
comment 16
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.22

c13, I know what you mean. I also wish for my Mom to visit me even if it's in a dream.

Actually, I think she did one time right after she died. I remember walikng along an embankment and reaching a house alongside the river. I don't know what made me want to go inside but I didn't go in the front way i went in the back way up a flight of stairs. When I entered it was dark and vacated; so I thought that's funny!

I then went around the front and entered thorugh the front door. Inside was also dark with spotlit from the cieling into pools of light. I walked through the house finding myslef in the kitchen. I saw my mother sitting at the table and asked her what she was doing there/here? She didn't answer me as though she couldn't speak. We went into the living room and I found myself dancing with her like in a waltz. And she didn't have any legs. Then she looked up at me and gave me a horrible scary look; that's when I woke up.

Coincidentally my cousin also had a dream about my Mom at about the same time I did. In that dream my Mom told her that she couldn't be reborn because I had taken her legs. You know after a cremation, family will take certain bone fragments to keep on their Phar Pratan to make merit when praying.

I then made some prayers to her and ask her forgiveness. I now offer her some food and drink on every moon change/Wan Phra.

I got another one if anyone else is interested.
comment 15
maverick263 date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.07

@ Alien

"Do you believe in ghosts?" :-)

of course.

for the sake of current dominant teleology that i call "base reductionist materialism"... i might add... i also "believe" that 2+2=4. & a lot of other "empirical knowledge" that reigns minds na. & helps to be around, na, hee hee...

maybe you'd just take some "time-out" & walk with endangered species endangered nature endangered human cultures. "ancient" cultures spoke of "spirits" that "offered"/taught insight into local plants. i guess it'll still be possible to find some deep meditators in thailand who're able to meet&touch with these "natural spirits" na.

it's said aj mun was frequently visited by devas. it's not that long ago.

*

in general i'd say... ain't human life bizarre enough? ain't these 5/6 senses more than enough for most people to handle?

the buddha mentioned "hungry ghosts" na... & maybe if conditions will support it... maybe you'd enhance your "perception" by... hmm, i guess, it's called "sacred drugs"... maybe if you'd do that & enter some place of "entertainment" --- maybe you'd _see_... "hungry ghosts"... entering & ruling "human beings" for the sake of sensations. ain't sensation that what makes up "human mind"? aka: "reality"?

it's easy, really.

maybe... after that kind of encounter... you'd feel "inspired" to respect & honour the "spiritual discipline" of any kind of _real_ sangha?

*

if you'd visit indigenous cultures... let's say in deep forests of amazon... you'd find... "spirits" are rampant ;-) i guess so. maybe it's what i call "reality clusters" they still flourish. na... these are "spirits of creative nature" --- it's neither "hungry ghosts" nor the demons of 21st century city dwellers, these are very very human ;-)

but i'd propose... "spirits" can arise _anywhere_. if conditions support it...

*

leave the dead alone. leave the ghosts alone. we're not even able to manage neither our senses nor our mind... but we're always excited about stuff... "supernatural" 555.

*

@ pan, c.11:

there's a close friend of mine who's doing feng-shui for airports, shopping malls, & private customers. i'd say she's good. & i like her laughter.

*

alien, c.9:

contemporay tech... is it anything else but extensions of our very very limited "panna"/wisdom of "being human"? so you want a ghost on a screen? what if i'd suppose a ghost exists in a different "realm"? "citta" (mind/heart) might be aware, might be touched, might be moved... --- won't you agree that there's no necessity for a "spiritual entity" to "appear" in a "gestalt" as very strange/different from everyday, default experience?

our tech proofs our conceptual political cultural limits.

*

& Ian, c.6:

i wonder... what's desire for "live after death"?

ain't being human right now a miracle?

i meet devout practitioners of this way of spirituality or another --- studying scriptures [al, this one is for you na ;-)], training understanding, developing good "karma", doing this & that: very much engaged & determined to achieve a goal. 555. to be reborn, to become, to be... in a heavenly abode ... after the breakdown of this temporary fragile manifestation of energy/consciousness. that is so much adorned with care & attention & acts of glorification day-by-single-day: our personality 555

i sincerely doubt you'd claim to be orginator of your birth. & i guess you'd deny any causation for your death.

ei ei ei... maybe we human beings just don't know anything na.

*

uiih... big smile to all of us who don't know anything na :-)
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naive date : 05/07/2009 time : 23.03
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No i don't!
But sometimes when watch some horror movie like Sixsense make me scare too.
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yabua date : 05/07/2009 time : 22.21
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Alien, I don´t know if ghosts exist but some Thai do believe that people who passed away could visit you in your dream.
I often missed my late parents. I wish they could come back and hold me but they have never visited me even in the dream.
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lonewolf date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.02

A couple of years ago I was walking around in JJ Market and I noticed a skilled furniture maker who used antique teak from old Thai homes (teak that would have decomposed into the ground if it had not been saved). I ordered a nice armoir for my use and waited 2 weeks for its delivery. When it came I took many pictures of it and showed it to some of my Thai students in the US. EVERY one of them said that they would never let it into their home. They said that the ghosts of the house would now be in the furniture and they would now be free to roam in my house. I said great...I hope that there are ghosts in the furniture because they would be grateful to me for giving them a home and from saving parts of their old house that would have decayed away. None of the students bought my line of reasoning.
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panalwayscute date : 05/07/2009 time : 19.51
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Alien-It's not only the Thais who do not wish to talk about ghosts. Chinese people are very supertitious too. I do believe in ghosts and not afraid to see one either. I was on night duty last year for months at the ICU. Many have passed away and to me if I see them....I will ask for a lottery number? Nah Just kidding.

Now to actually buy a house with the cemetary nearby is not only scary to many but bad fung shui for chinese.

If you trully want to experience seeing ghost is to attend funerals at Thai temples. Walk around alone and I'm sure you'll see one eventually. Good luck!
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Alien date : 05/07/2009 time : 13.05
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Maybve I'm impatient, but I notice that the Thai people in this blog are not responding! I also notice that when i talk abaout ghosts with my Thai friends in the U. S., it is a perfuctory converstion. They give a quick answer and then start to talk about something else. My suspicion is that even talking about ghosts is not appreciated. They will say, "Yes, I believe" with a nervous laugh and then ask if I finished all the taxes yet or am I getting tickets to see the Red Sox or what am I going to have for supper.
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Alien date : 05/07/2009 time : 10.31
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Ian, I agree. I too would like to see physical proof of ghosts to ascertain life after death. i do believe in life after death but I wonder, with all of the people who investigate ghosts, why are there no pictures? I kinow that the Enquirer prints "pictures" of ghosts from time to time, just like they do of aliens and monsters but for some reason I can't believe it when it comes from them and the other tabloids like them. I would like to see it in a mainstream paper like the N. Y. Times or Boston Globe.
comment 8
wch date : 05/07/2009 time : 10.25

Scientifically speaking, 'ghost' exists.

Modern camera is using digital signals to let integrated circuit remember them. Of course the memory can be erased.

However, When the IC device is worn out by repeating use, the function is weaken gradually.
Look at the internet explorer, a memory- based program. It wears out by use and by time and need 'updated'. The old program sometimes projects 'ghostly image' (a few expeirenced in this though).

Human eye takes an image and brain memorize it.
The memory function is poorer than real digital camera and many people do not remember the ' colour' although they can anatomize the configuration. This is because of 'digitalizing the image' in a program - logic and rationale.

This memory sometimes is called back and replays in eyes. One see the image.

This is the ghost.
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happyjack date : 05/07/2009 time : 10.21

To do that to People,make them from Infancy to believe in Ghosts is abhorrent to me.Why start a Child's life with Lies, Father Christmas,the first Lie i heard as a Kid
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Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 06.31
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My gf believes in ghosts and was scared of them, I have now shown her that they cannot hurt her, but she still believes in them. I would love to see a ghost, proof of life after death
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Alien date : 05/07/2009 time : 02.28
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Sorry Pan, yes, I did mean Barry Manilow. For some reason, he is one of the most ridiculed singers (despite his successes!).

Back to the subject. Do you believe in ghosts? Does it affect your life, maybe some of the things you will or won't do if you do believe in them?

Is this a subject Thai people don't want to talk about? I find that a lot of Thai people in the U. S. believe in them. As I stated above, I know one Thai family that wouldn't buy a house because it was near a cemetary.
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noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.31
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Whooooo!
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panalwayscute date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.52
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Alien-Do you mean Barry Manilow? I love listening to his Mandy, Copacobana and Can't smile without you.

Happy 4th July too!
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Alien date : 04/07/2009 time : 17.07
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Thank you ND. This year, the Boston Pops is having as its' special guest star Neil Diamond. Washington DC gets Barry Mantilow. Looks like we came out ahead on that one.
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notdisappointed date : 04/07/2009 time : 16.52

Yo Ali,

After living in the States for close to 30 years; I have vicariously felt proud for Americans on every Independence Day.

What a feeling to be living in the leading nation in terms of democracy, economy and militarily; there is no other country in world that can stand heads and shoulders with America.

Living in Boston July 4th were great. In and around Boston Commons or along the river taking in the ambiance waiting fore the Bonston symphony to play 1812 Overture and the fireworks. I still get goosebumps.

Happy Indepencdence Day to one and all.
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