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Posted by Al , Reader : 669 , 23:43:44  
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I am repeating here my last comment – because posts here are extremely short-living – and I was rather busy.... sorry for my late reply. First of all: Thanks for your comments! The most can be regarded as constructive.... I see the most don't think that there is such a thing like political loneliness. Iceberg is describing quite well how I am understanding  'political loneliness'. First, just to say it clearly: It has nothing to do with the personal situation if someone - I mean his connections to family and friends. I meant 'political' relations. But political loneliness describes a  - I admit -  subjective feeling. If someone is aware of that – or not – is dependent of his individual constitution. In many cases it's the feeling of someone standing between the fronts: Usually a silent voice between loud & extreme voices. Why silent?  - Because we humans are shouting the louder the more we are believing into our own attitudes. If you're hating the other side – like here so many are hating red shirts than you are loud. You behave like being sick.  Some are using an extrem, abusive language. Some are insulting others having another opinion. But if you think that no side is the owner of that what you call 'the truth'  - if you are aware of all the doubtful and dangerous simplifications leading to this  - then you will become silent. At least a little bit silent. Why? Because you will start to see the a tiny little part of the reality.... you are getting aware of different sides. You're getting aware how stupid a one-sided opinion is. Suddenly you are receiving a glance of the complex reality – and your simple picture starts to crumble down. First a little bit – later more and more. This makes you silent  -  at least not so loud as those others around you, standing side by side on both sides shouting their hate tirades. It's interesting that Iceberg mentioned the founding fathers of religions - I suppose he was thinking of particularly of Jesus and Buddha. Particularly if I think of Buddha – 'coz you are living in a Buddhist society  – he was someone speaking for the 'middle way' in asceticism – but I think this can also seen so in other aspects of life. You know I'm really often surprised how people who've been grown up within a peaceful culture like Buddhism can talk so badly about the other side. Buddha didn't say: You should... He just said: you can – but you MUST bear the consequences. Ok, I really think that, too! AND I HOPE FOR YOU YOU WILL NOT FORGET IT! But standing between the fronts makes lonely. Not to run with the flock makes lonely. And because we all are humans with the natural wish to have friends  - because of this we feel this sometimes. Iceberg feels it. I feel it, too. We both realized that there is so much destruction around us – and seemingly no way out. Look at the proud shouting here, the self-confident proclamation how bad, ignorant, stupid the other side is – and how clever and sophisticated the own position. Have you ever realized how ridiculous this is. I read so much nonsense – distributed with the deepest possible fervor  - and most of that remained uncontradicted. I really cannot imagine how stupid somebody must be to be able to think that YOUR problem of YOUR society  and of YOUR future and that of YOUR children can be solved by deepening the gap by suppressing and ignoring the other side and praising the own attitude! Are you unable to realize YOUR contribution in that game???? There have been accusations against me. Words like 'ignorant' and 'stupid' have been used. I am not sure if those are aware of the situation: I am not living in Thailand. I can turn away without any problem. I am not fighting for my future. I am fighting for YOUR chances. Europe and the West are sometimes regarded as decadent. People here are spoiled - I must admit. This was also to a major degree my own opinion – before I met the situation in Thailand. I was thinking that Europe will have many problems surviving in such a dynamic world. But the experiences here are showing me: We (here in Europe or the US) have much better chances than I thought before to overcome problems. We are to a much higher degree what you aren't: flexible, questioning, open-minded and free in our speech. We can look for solutions – and must not wait until they are falling from the blue sky, while many of you stay in the extremist's trap. Have you ever asked yourself why so many 'farangs' have such a critical view on Thailand now? Because they are ignorant or stupid????? ( I feel pity with those believing that.) But I am NOT HERE TO COMPLAIN. I want to help you. I cannot change the facts. But may be …. there is a tiny little chance to make you think about this or that. May be there is a little chance that those noisy ones of you are becoming a little bit more silent. May be ----- I can help you to become a little bit more lonely (in politics). Yes, it sounds surprising: I want you to become a little bit more lonely.... because this is a sign for ------> BR used the right term! -----> 'FREE THINKERS'.

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comment 69 noonin date : 08/07/2009 time : 22.34 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

We all have our Kant to live with.

comment 68 noonin date : 08/07/2009 time : 22.23 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

No I did not know that. Jennifer Juniper was a song by Donavon. Was it about circumcission? Well there you are.

comment 67 happyjack date : 08/07/2009 time : 22.12

I am an avid pruner and no brainer..Did you know the handle of a Jewish Circumcision Knife is made from the Juniper Tree.Not even Michale Cain new that.Hes from London.

comment 66 noonin date : 08/07/2009 time : 21.11 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Ian has them all noted down. Do you not have a mind of your own?

comment 65 noonin date : 08/07/2009 time : 21.06 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Tears of a Clown Dave Davis Brother of Ray Davis. Kinky!

comment 64 noonin date : 08/07/2009 time : 21.03 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

comment 63 The laugh is on you! No sorry you're not funny; I am!

comment 63 happyjack date : 08/07/2009 time : 01.57

Some people choose to ignore when they have no answer noonin.Several times you shoot yourself in the Foot.A teacher who doest know Cameras are banned, scrappy knowledge of your Birthplace, don't worry,Ian has them all noted down.Im just the Time Passer, i know what i am,if i see a Clown,i tend to Laugh.

comment 62 noonin date : 07/07/2009 time : 18.22 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

comment 21 Or choose to ignore. As stated elsewhere, I am not any longer attempting to discuss with fools. Ian has stated elsewhere he has decided to go to Rome.

comment 61 Ian date : 07/07/2009 time : 17.57 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

HJ, definitely amuses me, particularly when I visualise them scratching their heads try to work out if they have been insulted or not

comment 60 happyjack date : 07/07/2009 time : 11.49

Yo Ho Ian i dont give a Kippers Dick, it amuses a few and winds up the few P.C. Cowards and Creepy Brits who try to ingratiate themselves round Mr Krajog.

comment 59 Ian date : 07/07/2009 time : 07.37 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

HJ, I think the reason you get away with most of your wisecracks is people don't understand them

comment 58 happyjack date : 07/07/2009 time : 06.53

Wont last long.A dead ringer for Bags on the Step Award..Sycophants,the answer to a Thais Prayer.

comment 57 Ian date : 07/07/2009 time : 04.06 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Expresso, 55. Now I understand this sudden flurry of attacks, you think you have found a soulmate in Noonin Now why would I want to fool you, you do an excellent job without any help from me

comment 56 Al date : 07/07/2009 time : 03.58 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Thanks BR, 43, I am always laughing when reading your colourful language. I would be funny to dring a beer with you....

comment 55 expresso date : 06/07/2009 time : 23.45 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ian, people who read and understand know what my c51 means. I'm sure noonin understands. Ian, you may continue to fool many people but not me. Also, you may continue to lock horn with anybody because you think you are knowledgeable and big. For what I know you may expand your periphery outside your village after you defeated your local mafia boss

comment 54 Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 23.02 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Comment 51, Hey Expresso you only wrote one comment, what happened to the other two? But don't you worry dearie, it is only possible to " BIAS and MANIPULATION" people who have functional brains, so you are quite safe

comment 53 happyjack date : 06/07/2009 time : 21.56

Where are all these Wimps coming from, its like a Meeting Of Ladies Kindergarten Teachers.Load of Gonads.

comment 52 happyjack date : 06/07/2009 time : 21.45

G.G,now sit back and wait for rebuffs from the Thai Groupies, and the 'ive already built her a House next to Moms in Issan Morons'.And still they fall for it.

comment 51 expresso date : 06/07/2009 time : 20.41 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ian, c47, you said, “Well unless you mean something different when you use the word "base", I take it to mean crude or vulgar, i can only think of 3 people who fit that category namely peacefulness, wch and Expresso…” Ian, here you go again, doing your usual BIAS and MANIPULATION to divert from noonin’s comments in c45 about you: “You (Ian) do not disapprove of some bloggers using base language, so long, it seems to me, if you have their approval of your position.” Ian, if you’re going to lump me with peacefulness for being crude or vulgar, I don’t have a problem; but leave wch out for fairness sake, would you? But you have never been fair as you claim, have you?

comment 50 GGrass date : 06/07/2009 time : 12.16 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/GGrass

Sorry for late reply, Al.. I'm not in class NOW, I was in class .... many many years ago. They taught you different political systems and stuff.. very interesting... In highschool... grade 11 ? or 12?

comment 49 GGrass date : 06/07/2009 time : 12.13 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/GGrass

C48 by HJ --- Now THAT's WISDOM, my friends... read, learn, and memorize it.

comment 48 happyjack date : 06/07/2009 time : 06.53

Untill you know at least 15/20 Ferangs who have found there Bags on the Step. The Husband she swore she never had moved back in.Pretended to be a Water Mellon Trader by buying a Truck.Listened to Thai Wives discussing how they still con the Fool afte 20 Years.You live in a Fools Paradise.

comment 47 Ian date : 06/07/2009 time : 00.53 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Noonin, 44, I accept your apology but also suspect you mix with, for want of a better term, a higher class of society. You say, "Thai is a very polite society, especially when exchanging opinions", this is not my observation, in my village they are blunt, basic and crude. You also say "You do not disapprove of some bloggers using base language" Well unless you mean something different when you use the word "base", I take it to mean crude or vulgar, i can only think of 3 people who fit that category namely peacefulness, wch and Expresso, and they all seem to be in your corner.

comment 46 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 19.30 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

comment 44 Read my last comment. Yes, if you insult a Thai they will retaliate with venom. You I believe have been in Thailand many years,and maybe like me have become a little native. When the smile disappears beware!

comment 45 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 19.09 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

commet 42 I apologise. I hope you understood why I was annoyed. See my comment on Al's latest blog, sometimes rudeness from others provokes me. You do not disapprove of some bloggers using base language so long, it seems to me, if you have their approval of your position. I will point out, that which you should already know,, Thai is a very polite society, especially when exchanging opinions, if you insult a Thai the response will be disproportionate to the offence, they will go ballistic.Perhaps you have not noticed this,as you claim to be in cyberspace. A little more sensitivity on everyone's part, including mine, would not be amiss.

comment 44 BangkokRay date : 05/07/2009 time : 19.09

Ian, #42, Perhaps now you might understand why I get alonf so well with nd. Tell me how it feels will ya. He insults my parents, my sons and anything else that suits his fancy. Your response was that we are both hot headed and set in our ways. Then he comes back and says bury the past. That seems to be the trend of the anti-Thaksin group here. Join the club pal.

comment 43 BangkokRay date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.58

Al, In case you haven't figured it out yet, you are "pissing in the wind" when dealing with the folks that you are trying to rationalize with. They hate democracy. They firmly believe that those that are fortunate enough to have experienced the privilidged life should continue to do so at the expense of the have nots. You see, Thaksin took a bigger piece of the pie than they are accustomed to any one person getting. Now they have re-distributed the pie and own the PM. They love it that way. It's called fascism and that's what they represent. You will go to your grave trying to change thier mind. Thier greed is so much that they can't fathom the idea of spreading any of the wealth any further than it currently is. However, the cat is out of the bag now and many of the oppressed are getting smart to what's going on. It will take a while and a lot of sacrificing will be necessary, but the oppressed will prevail at some point. I've pretty much quit trying ro communicate with the kool-aid drinkers. FWIW, Don't count on the PAD issue to ever see the light of day. Pardons will be aplenty.

comment 42 Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.53 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Noonin, 35. Yes I am sure you are a very admirable person and all yellow thinking Thais love and respect you, nonetheless it does not give you the right to adversely comment on my personal life and my gf. I don't care what you think of me or my social or political comments, but leave my gf out of your sarcasm in future.

comment 41 Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.52 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, c40 OK, I got you. You are right - it's the decision of the Thai. Of all Thais! Can we agree with that? Now let's smile again...

comment 40 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.44 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Let me focus on the essential points: Do you really think that reading and blind followership will help to find the middle correcting position? You make your own decisions, not blindly. As for a middle way, that is not always the best solution. I do not dismiss the Issaan people, and I am not a yellow. It is for the Thai to decide. You, Ian ,I are of no account on this issue. It is know it all farangs that annoy me, I listen to Thai and comment sometimes, I do not try to influence any Thai, not even my family,(mostly Thaksin lovers)!

comment 39 Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 18.10 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, c38 Thank you for your reply. Let me focus on the essential points: Do you really think that reading and blind followership will help to find the middle correcting position? You seem not to be aware that this rather extreme position is one of the deeper causes for the rupture in the Thai society today. What do you think? By blindly following them I could contribute to the construction of bridges between these two sides? Do you think the advised position will help to heal this rupture in the society? Really Noonin, you can't be serious. No, the middle way is a way of balancing interests. Justified interests! It's a way to work for the overcoming of the present situation. It's a way to come down to one standard and justice for all. It's a way to create social peace and not that one deepening the rupture in the society! It's building bridges! Friendship bridges and not broadening the gaps! Do you really think that those pouring oil into the fire are walking the middle way???? It's never justified – with no not so artificial construct – to exclude major parts of a population from the political process against their will. Don't tell me anything like 'Thailand is not the same as the West'! This is not true after we saw people demonstrating for their rights! For their justified rights I must add! They have the same feelings and wishes as you and me. They don't want that their political rights are disregarded. They want just - and that is their 'crime' - to have the same rights as other Thais. You said that you love Thailand. But – after you last comment - it seems to me that you love just one half of Thailand – may be because you are accidentally living in/near (?) BKK and not in the Insaan. Are you hating the other half? Are you hating those wishing not to be excluded from their justified rights in political participation – those called 'illiterate', 'uneducated' and said not being able to decide for themselves and what else? If you really love Thailand – then keep in mind: these are Thais, too.

comment 38 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 16.12 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Al 37 You have heard from the expert Thai', Krajog, (the dinosaur ,insult thrown at him).Not disappointed, who you have upset, and Dry Shrimp, Yabua. As far as I am concerned a criminal is not fit to be prime minister. That a coup took place did not surprise me. Today arrest warrants have been issued for the PAD leaders at last. To view Thailand in the same way as a western democracy is unrealistic. Please read Krajog, he is the most Thai of bloggers here.

comment 37 Al date : 05/07/2009 time : 15.53 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, c35 Thank you very much for telling us your personal point. I think the most of us are able to understand you and your feelings. For me there is no doubt: you are a nice guy and surely a good friend. But pls don't be too strict with us. You said I am not representing the middle ground. If you say this I don't deny it. I am depending of judgements of those like you. But I would like to know what you are missing with me concerning that point. I would appreciate your constructive critics. Can you?

comment 36 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 15.34 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

comment 32 Yabua, You did not upset me, I was already that way out.

comment 35 noonin date : 05/07/2009 time : 15.31 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

You have pulled up your roots, turned your back on your motherland and now whinge because you know you will always be a Farang in Thailand. I expect you will reply with one of your usual "one liner" dismissive comments, I will reply out of politeness. I do not care that I will always be a farang in Thailand. I cannot ever be anything else, I do not have Thai genes ( my son does). Just as in your view a dark skinned person can never be British. You bemoan the lack of a middle ground on this site, maybe because you are blinded by your own position to see it. You do not represent it, neither does Al and I admit I do not. Apart from Mad Max, which other Thais agree with your stance? I am not the first person to criticize your lack of respect for Thai culture. You will not live here 100 hundred years, neither will I, my progeny might, so I have a stake in Thailand's future. I have done many things to serve Thailand since I arrived in this country, including working for HMK. I have never worked to aggrandise myself, often have taught underprivileged children. My physical health, due to age is not what it was , thus I am afraid the demands of work in that environment are no longer possible for me. I left England to be away from narrow minded people, I did not fit into that culture, so as B.R pointed out rightly I am not of any place, but feel at home, in my home, here.I am accepted as the rather strange farang in my neighbourhood; living in Bangkok does not make me stand out particularly as many whites live here(not in my neighbourhood).Most Thai are shrewd enough to recognize a resident farang from a tourist, to be honest I cannot recall the last time I was mistaken as a tourist; I know Thai body language. Well enough said, not a one line reply.

comment 34 Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 06.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Al, sorry about that but Noonin goes too far with cheap cracks about my life and girlfriend.

comment 33 Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 06.47 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Noonin, do you think the way you write, in little jerky comments? I think you are bitter about many things, I wonder why? Do you think time is what makes you an expert on Thailand, that you can sneer at my five years and the fact I have a gf not a wife? Do you sneer at all the Thai men with their mai nois and giks? Do you know that it is legally easier for me to live here on a retirement visa than on a marriage visa? You could live her a hundred years and I would still prefer my understanding of Thailand to yours, simply because you and I live in different places and experience different events. You have pulled up your roots, turned your back on your motherland and now whinge because you know you will always be a Farang in Thailand. I expect you will reply with one of your usual "one liner" dismissive comments, well just for the record they don't impress me with your cleverness.

comment 32 yabua date : 05/07/2009 time : 04.22 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yabua

Dear Noonin, I am so sorry as it looks like I upset you. Please forgive my poor English. Thank you, Al that you tried to help. Noonin, I know well how much you love Thailand. As a Thai I feel obliged to you. I should have written more clearly. Nothing is more important for me than my home. Therefore I regard those who regard Thailand as their home my fellow countrymen. (I don´t mean those who just live in Thailand by any other reasons than love) Your love in Thailand is probably greater than my husband´s. Any time you, GG, DKO or Massein critizised Thailand, I was never upset as I always knew that you did it out of love. Please forgive me for my unclear message.

comment 31 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.29 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, what happened here? You seem to be rather upset. Now cool down a little bit. Nobody wanted to hurt you. I really think that also Ian didn't want to hurt you. He just reacted on your statement. I think he was not pleased about that, too. But now let's cool down - and remember that nobody here at this post wanted to hurt anybody. 99% of all quarreling comes from wrong understanding...

comment 30 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.42 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

So I am a German in 1940; Patriotism is fighting for what is right.

comment 29 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.39 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Patriotism is fighting for what is right. RUBBISH!

comment 28 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.35 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Comment 18 I love my child and wife. They are Thai! What is your problem?

comment 27 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.29 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

As the Native North Americans' spoke, "White man speak with forked tongue."

comment 26 HA_HA date : 04/07/2009 time : 22.19

Uh-oh what happened? I'm very "ngong". (confused) I always like mr. Ian's comments though.

comment 25 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Rest in Peace.

comment 24 happyjack date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.30

So there you have it.A Teacher.Q.E.D.

comment 23 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 21.04 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Defending what is wrong is not love or patriotism, it is just stupidity. Patriotism is fighting for what is right. Some teacher! Respond sidekick Happyjack. At least I was raised in E 17. Yes I can speak crudely, but that was not what I was taught!

comment 22 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 20.23 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Just for Happyjack, I hate teachers too!

comment 21 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 20.18 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

How old are you Ian? and just for the record Thailand has been my second home for I think 5 years, although I was a visitor before then. Five years and you know all. Have a gf and know all.Have some local contacts and know all. Yes you are a know all.

comment 20 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 20.09 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

You , Ian are not Thai, so forget about slanging! What do you want here? Why have you left your beloved country? To speak shit with the likes of Happyjack. How can you be expected to be listened to seriously? Get back to your roots Ian and forget flattery.

comment 19 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 20.00 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Comment 18 Rubbish! My child is Thai, my wife is Thai, I do not have a gf, whatever that is.

comment 18 Ian date : 04/07/2009 time : 19.51 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Interesting comments, I notice I was not in Yabua's list so assume I'm in the last paragraph category of her comment, I know she despises me I find Noonin's comment interesting, I find that being British makes it easier to help those around me in Thailand, and just for the record Thailand has been my second home for I think 5 years, although I was a visitor before then. Noonin, is not like Ian, he writes, that is obvious, I would never want to be like Noonin, how can you trust his love for Thailand if he no longer loves his motherland? Defending what is wrong is not love or patriotism, it is just stupidity. Patriotism is fighting for what is right.

comment 17 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 19.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

No comment!!

comment 16 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.13 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, I don't doubt your feelings and I respect them. I am far away but I feel much sympathy for Thailand...

comment 15 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 19.02 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Al , as usual we posted at the same time. Try to understand. I am Thai, forget the passport.

comment 14 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.05 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, Yabou didn't mean it in any devaluating way - I am sure...

comment 13 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.58 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Comment 7 read my remarks carefully. I am not Ian. I live in Thailand, have no choice but to live here; my family is here, and I like living here! That is the way it is.

comment 12 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 17.59 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin, I meant: Why supercilious?

comment 11 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 17.55 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Noonin.let me know why

comment 10 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.50 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Comment 7 Yabua I love Thailand!

comment 9 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 18.49 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Supercilious

comment 8 Al date : 04/07/2009 time : 17.39 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Again thanks to your comments! Thanks, Yabua, I take it as a compliment. ''Don't cry for Thailand.....'' - sounds like the title of a pop song... - Ok, I am wiping off my tears... Everything ok again... :) Yes, you are right – Thailand will survive. There is no doubt – if you take it literally. Also Myanmar will survive. No doubt. So, why worrying? - May be... because we are not so sure how. How the originally kind, tolerant and open-minded Thai culture will survive is not so sure. The present processes and that physical violence on the streets and the psychological violence here is changing the people's attitudes. Step by step Thailand will not be anymore what it has been before. There are already winged words like ''The land of smile is becoming a land of sarcastic laughter...''. If this would be true – then I would be sorry about that. And I think you, too. Naive, you are right – as long as you see it in general. In general all people on the world are just interested in their own advantage. Also here, around me there are many people if not by far the most who aren't interested in Thailand's fate. Thailand is far away – and here we have other problems. If we want to go there for holidays – no problem, as long as the Thai government needs foreign money. But what I wanted to say is: Not all are thinking like this. May be my point of view was too idealistic – but I regarded Thailand as one of the few countries in Asia with a high developed and peaceful culture, nearly as a good example for the other countries in SE-Asia like, for instance, the Philippines, which I know rather well. I am a little bit adventurous and that brought me - more than one time - in touch with the civil war there in the south. From these experiences I know how fine the line is between peace and unrest within a society. For the Philippines I am not very optimistic – they stuck in a no-win situation for everyone involved – as long as there is no input from its neighbours like Thailand. The major problem is there – like in Thailand – corruption. Now – after Songkran - I can see that Thailand is approaching a similar situation. Day by day the gap between major groups in the Thai society are getting deeper and wider. I am not interested in this because I am living there or because I have plans to live there. But I am concerned by it – as I am concerned by the Philippines's fate as well. As you can see at Alien's comment – there are some others, too. We may have different backgrounds but we are not concerned due to our personal interests. HA_HA, thanks for your comment. Welcome to my blog! I think I understand quite well what you are feeling. In fact, that is the beginning of political terror - another essential topic we will have to focus on: if people start to keep silent concerning their political opinion then there is something foul. Here (at this web site) you are secure against physical violence – but not against that what I call psychological violence – violence by insults or by being made ridiculous. Moderate bloggers here are in the minority and not all are like the commentators here at my post. In some other posts you will be faced with much aggression. Take care – but never hesitate to tell us your opinion. It was more than one time that I wanted to leave – because insults are always hurting. But I decided to stay. If I would have gone – then those who hurt me would have won. Ignore those not able to give you factual answers relating to the topic. And don't mind those who are just repeating their fixed opinions like a cracked record. GGrass, are you in a political science class? How is your teacher? What is he debating with you? BTW, when will be our next 'chill off' at Iceberg's? I promise I will not smash anymore plates when cleaning them....

comment 7 yabua date : 04/07/2009 time : 17.49 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yabua

Well, there are foreigners who are good friends to Thailand like Alien, Maverick, Sven, Greg.... There are those who regard Thailand as their home like Noonin, DKO, GG, Massein.... There are also those who love Thailand dearly like Seven, Expresso, my husband and Ralf, his close friend.... And of course, there are foreigners who exploit or even harm Thailand. Why not? When we also have enough Thais who don´t feel ashamed to exploit or even harm their own motherland.

comment 6 noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 15.42 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

Naive comment 2 Farangs really never concern about Thai politic if it's not their own interest or benefit for being here. Not to complain too but it's the "Fact" I agree. Thailand has become a much more difficult country to live in post Thaksin. He used xenophobia to stir up anti farang sentiments after the collapse of Chavalit's disastrous administration. Needless to say Thaksin benefited massively from the devaluation of the baht, by having inside information. He then went on to blame the I.M.F for all the ills in Thailand, in particular the farangs. Whereas before, as Happyjack has stated elsewhere, renewing an annual visa was a non event, just send your passport with the fee and back it came stamped. Ian complains about Abhisit not immediately correcting the faults instigated by Thaksin; I can only assume he is a recent resident here. Recent I mean, post Thaksin. The 90 day rule was never enforced pre Thaksin. I always reported being as H.J would say P.C, and it took two minutes, and a pleasant chat with the immigration staff. Compare that to now! When I first moved to Thailand , I went to the Thai Embassy in London with a letter from my future employer and was instantly given a Business visa; try getting one now! So whinge on all you Thaksin admirers. He had the audacity to live in England and Germany! Thank goodness he is no longer welcome in either of those countries. Perhaps Al or Ian might like to sponsor him as a political exile.

comment 5 Alien date : 04/07/2009 time : 15.00 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/alien

Naive, I disagree with you about falangs not being concerned about Thai politics unless it is in their own interest. Some things are right and some things are wrong. The reason I dislike Thaksin was due to his not paying taxes on the obscene profit he made in the sale of his telecom company. I feel that the Thai govermnent could have used that money to improve the life of the typical Thai person. I do not have any financial interest in whether he did it or not. It's just a question of what is right or what is wrong. For the same reason I dislike the corruption that runs wild in Thailand. I don't like it in the U. S., in Thailand or any other place it rears its' ugly head. As far as the King goes, Thailand has a King, they love him and they have the LM laws. I see nothing wrong with that. That's what Thai people want. I only wish that governmental officals everywhere would try to pay at least token behavior to ehtical standards. If they did that, everything would be OK and I really don't care how people and governments run their country - as long as they try to do the right thing.

comment 4 GGrass date : 04/07/2009 time : 10.11 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/GGrass

I have no interest in Thai politics. I was, for a very brief moment. But now, I'm not interested anymore. Come to think, I never was interested in any politics... Thai... World... Korean... May be except in political science class.

comment 3 HA_HA date : 04/07/2009 time : 10.00

Al, i know what you mean. In your context, I must admit I sometimes feel lonely and scare writing my opinions which are different than most people here. I would turn right and left and saw all the hard core YELLOWs were presented in the thread. I was scared, yes. I would think and think if I should write fearing they would attack me, call me stupid, tell me to wake up, ..etc. But the urge to speak was stronger. And I would write. Then I would turn left and right waiting for people with similar thought ... like mr. BangkokRay who understand what I am talking about, or mr. Ian, the sensible guy (in my opinion) who I always agree to his comment, and etc. come to rescue me... haha...

comment 2 naive date : 04/07/2009 time : 09.57 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/naive Narrow and wide by "Naive" point of view. ...................................*v*....................................................................For Thai reader visit http://www.oknation.net/blog/wickedgirl

Farangs really never concern about Thai politic if it's not their own interest or benefit for being here. Not to complain too but it's the "Fact" And always when Thai politic seems getting stronger the South East Asia side seems to be stronger there will be problem in some country. We may can never clean the house if the wind always blow dust from outside. If you are in USA, mind Cuba or Costa Rica. If you are in Europ, mind Belgium .. going to be muslim country there soon... For Thailand.. There're Thais and Chinese concerning.

comment 1 yabua date : 04/07/2009 time : 03.55 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yabua

Al, are you really German? You are the sweetest German I know. (Don´t tell my husband ) Don´t cry for Thailand, dear AL. We will definitely survive. We have done it for thousands years, you see? If we need helps from England, Germany, USA etc., we will cry loudly and let you know. At the moment, we do have enough support from our man in Dubai.

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