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Friday , September 28 , 2007
Standards and guidelines
Posted by WebEditor , Reader : 2606 , 12:08:15  
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The Nation's webblog aims to create a community on cyber world where people around the globe can get together anytime around the clock.   In this imagined society, we can enjoy freedom of expression. We are free to exchange views, news, information and knowledge.

 However, absolute freedom never exists on earth. It is an obligation of all to minimize limitation of liberty setting common fundamental rules for the game to protect basic right of all members in this community.

 We would like all members to be aware of hereby 10 guide lines anytime you enter this society.

 1)      We welcome all intelligent debates and dissents but please bare in mind that whenever you strongly disagree with any bloggers on any particular issues, attack their views not their personality. Character assassination is against a media ethic. We want the blogs to be a community but it is still a community within a media so that media ethic could not be avoided.

2)      As long as we are a site of English language media with international audiences, please keep posting in English. Other natives in voice or audio forms are also welcomed only with English translation or excerpt.   

3)      Please be polite. We don't welcome any rude words. All bloggers shall refrain from using "four-letter-words" out of proper context.  

4)      Please respect other people's beliefs. You can employ facts, information and reasons to convince the other to agree with you but cannot force people to believe to disbelieve in what you want.

5)      Please do not drag our website into the territory of "hate media". We don't tolerate any forms of hate speech, racism, sexism, fanaticism and any kind of phobia eg. Sino-phobia, Islam-phobia and Thaksino-phobia. Such speeches must be removed immediately we find them.

6)      Cyber world is relatively free and could be accessed beyond boundary but please be notified that the host never escapes from legal arms of its homeland. We reserve the right to remove all posts that may put us in legal difficulty, such as libel and defamation in accordance with Thai laws.

7)      Think twice before publishing any contents as your expressions would last long in our archive and such statements could become references with legal binding.

8)      The blog looks like something personal but actually it is never a personal diary as long as public could see it. Any contents should be relevant and reliable otherwise it could damage our and your own creditability.

9)      The blog is interactive, please do not post and leave. The bloggers are encouraged to return to check reactions from other fellows as your speech might be either misunderstood or misinterpreted.

10)  The Nation is print-based media, please be well informed that we would like to have your sharp, intelligent, insightful posting to be published in our printed outlets.   


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comment 53
Ian date : 09/10/2007 time : 09.37
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

In most newspapers it is not acceptable other than as a direct quote". For example, the British press reported the deputy PM as having told a reporter to "fu ck off".
Incidentally has anyone ever wondered why such words are usually 4 letter?
comment 52
FelixQui date : 08/10/2007 time : 23.47
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/FelixQui

I'm curious about guideline #3.
Can someone please tell me what the "proper context" on the Nation Weblog for " 'four-letter-words' " is?
I'm not planning on using any, but I'd still like to know which contexts they are proper to here.
comment 51
Ian date : 02/10/2007 time : 09.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Greg, my thinking is this, probably if I met someone like Dam, xyyz or others face to face, they would be polite and none argumentative, this is the Thai way and culture. So simply getting out and about and meeting people you learn the surface thoughts of Thais.
In a blog a Thai is anonymous and can give free rein to what is often simmering beneath the surface. Thus I find that these aggressive comments are a useful backdoor into the Thai mind. It is just unfortunate that they are expressed so abusively at times.
comment 50
redandwhitestripes date : 01/10/2007 time : 21.35
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

BTW abc I don't think Nation blogs normally need approval unless they've changed the system. You should be able to blog immediately.
comment 49
redandwhitestripes date : 01/10/2007 time : 21.27
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

Ian it's nothing personal between me and abcdefg, at least not from my side :-) It's just a load of words on a screen.

With regards to learning more about Thai people, I think I do this by getting out and speaking, dealing and interacting with them every day. I don't see too much benefit from paying attention to one line e-mails but to each his own :-)

I'd have no problem calling it quits with abcdefg or anyone else. As I've said before I may come across serious because I vent political in my writing but if and when we meet you will see I am very different sometimes :-)

abcdefg, thanks for the special attention. I will link to your blog.
comment 48
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 20.30

Just making sure he knows that . I worried he's too thick to understand it.

C 47 is for Ian......the old man whose got a head and a brain.
comment 47
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 20.05

First of all, I apologise of laying a stupid comment on you at the very begining as I guest I was a bit rush into things that I haven't read through and understand. So My formal apology "I'm sorry".

If he hadn't got personal on me I would have let it go as I have already mentioned earlier. check out his block, he only accepts comments of his and the ones favourable to him. Is this a right behaviour ?
remarks that he couldn't answer he defer it to somewhere else......google ? Nation blog is the only blog I've entered so far.
comment 46
Ian date : 01/10/2007 time : 19.47
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Greg, in the main blog under contention, I did not see these 50 posts you mention, did you delete them before I had a chance? Why did you delete my two most recent comments? I really don't understand what is going on. As to the bloke who insulted me I was more concerned that I might have been tempted to thump him if we met in person, so felt it safer to avoid temptation:-) As abcde is a woman the same risk never applied:-) I have never yet managed to hit a woman. Dam on the other hand I find too funny to take seriously.
I think age is a factor, even now if Dam was to say, "ok let's call it quits and start again", I say sure.
But you and abcde both seem too young and stubborn to do this, it has become a personal issue. This is a pity because you both make useful and opposite comments.
comment 45
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 19.24

"Please don't try to pull others to be the same standard as you which have more class and common sense. "

Rephrase :Please don't try to pull others to be the same standard as you whose got more class and common sense then you do.
comment 44
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 19.11

google ?

I only use it to see the earth.........
Nevermind, bring it here anyway. I would love to see it. My so call msg and ISP
comment 43
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 19.00

"I just want to clarify that when I say I get your comments in e-mail, this is because they are automatically forwarded to me. I was not suggesting you sent them to my own e-mail."

I see, why didn't you explain it then? In that case any body seen this 2 ID BTW, IMHO writing comments on his blog ? Cause I haven't as I just join the nation blog recently.

"I'll let this thread die down now". How kind of you ? Hope to see you in my blog soon.

"TN can take the action they deem appropiate to deal with the small problem"

In fact, it was. Why is you reaction so agressive then. I'm sure The TN have a much clearer understanding then you do and take appropiate
action as they deem fair.After all they are real journalist, aren't they.

abc I will peruse your blog, please let me know the address and I hope you will live by your own motto and be fair :-)

How happy I am to hear that. I will be waiting and promise I shall live by my own motto and be fair with you, and specially you.

My blog have been submitted already and waiting for the nation to approve.
comment 42
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 18.39

Hey buddy, Did you know I was waiting for you ?

Please R&W, I beg you, show it to everyone to prove I'm guilty as you charged.

I won't argue with you about where the english word originate from as mind are only limited. But
Let me put it this way then, I usually use AH to some people whom I felt they hang a coconut on their body instead of a head with brain.

Your illusion is really getiing worst, try to sleep at night, a shrink can really help you, trust me.

""I will make you famous, wait and see" , I don't think that's in your mail box, I recall that it's on your blog which you eventually deleted as usual.

Please don't try to pull others to be the same standard as you which have more class and common sense.
comment 41
redandwhitestripes date : 01/10/2007 time : 18.37
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

Sorry to triple post. abcdefg, I just want to clarify that when I say I get your comments in e-mail, this is because they are automatically forwarded to me. I was not suggesting you sent them to my own e-mail.

I'll let this thread die down now, TN can take the action they deem appropiate to deal with the small problem. I'll continue to blog.

abc I will peruse your blog, please let me know the address and I hope you will live by your own motto and be fair :-)
comment 40
redandwhitestripes date : 01/10/2007 time : 18.17
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

BTW abc, "butt" is more American. English people did not use this term before Americans made it fashionable :-)
comment 39
redandwhitestripes date : 01/10/2007 time : 18.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

Ian I can laugh as well as anyone, and I have done here. However, when someone sends me fifty messages including one message saying "I will make you famous, wait and see" I think that's a little unfair to say I am over reacting.

I remind you that you withdrew from the blog party after far less abuse from one person, probably the same, and you received support. Too bad you don't return the decency.

When she said you were a sad old man who spends all his time on here, did you address her grievences then? Or was it just pressing buttons when you said you didn't give a damn what she thinks? :-)

abcdefg as I said I have your isp and message time for every message from google.
comment 38
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 14.41

Ian, Thanks for the compliments but I don't think this guy hear's too well, afterall, He's only got one ear that's working.
He has become personal, so I shall do as he wish.
comment 37
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 14.39

Higher Standards : I apologize for misunderstanding of what you are referring to. Here's a new one for you.

5555555555555555555555555555555 it's a joke, right ?

So, you just won't let go and want to react to to so much. SO be it. I have created an article just for you and having you enter my blog will be my honor, but think twice before you enter. I shall crush you there. Fair warning ?
comment 36
abcdefg date : 01/10/2007 time : 14.32

As predicted, you can come up with nothing. No facts, no logic, no evidence to support your accustion on me, but hopefully you have some common sense.

Here's some :
1) My purpose of going into your blog day after day,post after post was to let people know how unfair you are, so what's the point of hiding my comments behind your mail box ?
2) Changing my identy to tackle your articles? What for ? In which blog am I in now ? Am I suppose to be afraid of you having me ban ?
3) So, you claimed I go into your mail box, as you deleted all my comments and some other unfavourable ones in your blog, you weren't able to delete the ones in your mailbox and you have to keep it and make illusion accusation on me.

You really need to see a shrink, you're going nuts.
Further, My english is more american, If I were to be abusive to you, I will call you a AH instead of a
dumbutt.
comment 35
Ian date : 01/10/2007 time : 10.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Greg, I do feel you are over reacting, Dam is far worse with me yet most of the time I just find him entertaining; although he is becoming very predictable, as I now know all the right buttons to press:-)
Someone else, some time ago, said you were too serious, this is still true. Lighten up, if you insist upon grabbing by the horns every bull you meet you will simply end up with sore arms:-)
With Dam I have found it impossible to enter into any true dialogue, so I just treat him as a joke. Abc on the other hand can write English and can make relevant observations.
Why not try to understand her grievances, in doing so you will further your understanding of Thai people?
comment 34
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 23.39

Higher standards ? Don't kid yourself........
People with high standards don't use others people work and judge everything fairly.
comment 33
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 23.36

Well, since you're being consistance on this subject :
Why not copy and paste (your usual practice) them here "of the ones that you claimed I've send into your mail box" . show everybody I'm a lier.....why not ? I challenge you.....if you still have the guts...

So, It's not me alone that thinks you talks a lot of junks. It's a fact isn't it, your own words.

I've said once before in some blog I've enter :
How are you behave is what you get from others who react to you.
comment 32
redandwhitestripes date : 30/09/2007 time : 22.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

Hmmm it's funny abc, because your comments are always dropped in my inbox with a time, an isp and a full header so I can see where they are coming from and at what time.

Watch out Ian, there's definitely more than one personality wrapped up in abcdefg :-) I have higher standards.
comment 31
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 21.15

Ian, I was going to upload a picture just for you, but I figure you might get sleepless nights. I figure this one makes more sense.
Takcare old man and don't be too serious about other's comments, it's a point of vew. High blood pressue not good for you......na
comment 30
Ian date : 30/09/2007 time : 20.39
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

abc, I would want to see a picture before I considered your offer
comment 29
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 18.24

And guys, if this guy don't come back with anymore rubbish of his on me. It's bye for me and I did enjoy some of yours blogs which was very interesting. But remember, be fair to everyone to write about. They're one of us too and live on the same place as us call earth.
55555 I copy the last part. R&W taught me the trick. to all of you.
comment 28
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 18.19

Just for clarification, I'm not a person to go with silence.
R&W
1) You must be having nightmares or illusion ever since I enter you blogs.
What makes you think I will waste my time on you by changing my identity just to tackle your articles ?
If I do, I wouldn't be on your back now .

2) Wasteing precious moments with my husbands in bed in the middle of the night to comment on your comments ? please. I don't go toilets in the middle of the night.

3) I think Ian agrees that we at times do agree on certain subjects with honest,true and indepth discussion same as the others and it's a not matter of like and dislikes.
You ! on the other hand, why would you be interested other then deleting or try to ban unfavourable comments on your blog.
comment 27
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 17.50

Think I just let it go as pruade by my husband, sorry Ian, I could have made you pua noi
comment 26
abcdefg date : 30/09/2007 time : 16.38

Ian, what do you think ? should I come back since R&W feels that I like you so much.
comment 25
Dam date : 30/09/2007 time : 12.30
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/system

Redesign the web board rather than this blog staff. The web board have rules to follow and very open to issues.

Why waste the resources when there are already one. Link the excellent blogs from outside world for the readers

Part of my suggestion is in Pondering site.
comment 24
redandwhitestripes date : 30/09/2007 time : 12.22
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

abcdefg I'm just curious, why is it that immediately after posting this message you posted another three 'comments' on my blogs including an exact copy of your one here with a warning 'Do not delete unless you want me to make you famous" ? (Do you mean that I have a stalker, like the famous people? )

These things could lead people to doubt your mental stability :-)


I'm sure the visitor to my blog who called me a "dumbutt who knows nothing about Thailand" was, as you said, not you but someone who felt the same as you. It just seems strange you had exactly the same isp address of ********


Anyway all your comments go to my inbox so I've forwarded all forty five of them to the web master.

Glad to hear your husband thinks I am thick too. What does he think about his wife sending the farang forty five comments in one week, including several between midnight and five am? :-)

Try Ian abcdefg, he seems to like you. I'm sorry but I'm not so interested :-) :-)
comment 23
Ian date : 30/09/2007 time : 10.08
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

abc, I would be sorry to see you go, you do make some valid points are are an insight into one aspect of Thai attitudes.
As to these blogs being a ring of Farangs backing each other, that is nonsense, I have disagreed with just about everyone in these blogs at various times
comment 22
Pondering date : 30/09/2007 time : 09.57
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pondering

Even though the guidelines are pretty much understandable, but as a blogger, I disagree with guidelines number # 1 and 4. They make me feel like we are all back in the 3rd grade again, though I very much understand why they are outlined as shown above. Some bloggers really do posted without any respect and integrity, and some occasionally show a 3rd grader mentality. HOWEVER, if the Nation prefers to allow people opinion their view as it is, this is a close-minded way to go. I feel that we all have choices to not respond to childish comments, though if some choose to continue, so be it. There is no need to guide them not to.
comment 21
Dam date : 30/09/2007 time : 01.54
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/system

Just for the Nation to think about it. http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=8314

Freedom of speech ?
comment 20
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 19.42

Mr. R & W , you're in luck. After a careful discussion with my husband I've decided to rest my case on you and sign off nation's blog as well.

But don't be mistaken that I think your right or I'm afraid of you requesting to bann my comments. Is just that what my huseband said was right

1: Most of the comments in this nation blog rings around a hand's full of Farang backing each other.
2: There's no point of making comments when someone is so thick and couldn't understand your point is or try to look on a brighter side. So why bother at all ?

But Bear in mind R&W, If you do come up with another article that accuses someone unfairly. I'll be on your back again.
comment 19
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 17.04

OK I apologize, I'll rephrase that :

To TN Staff: If your discision is justified on this issue, kindly notify me openely, and I shall follow it.
comment 18
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 16.58

By the way : "you know nothing about economics or Thailand" referring to IMHO. This is not from me, I know nothing about economics either and I know my home very well. Perhaps it's from someone else who feels the same way as I felt about your articles.
comment 17
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 16.55

BTW, IMHO new word in English ? where can I find it ?
comment 16
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 16.47

In that case, My comments are good for you then, having it "bump up my your views and comments tally". Why bother deleting it then. Everyones got their own views, chai mai la ?
comment 15
redandwhitestripes date : 29/09/2007 time : 16.41
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

abcdefg, I don't think it's a case of taking sides, we are not children. I am sure TN staff can issue the appropriate reminders about the rules to the right people :-)

BTW I don't think you are doing yourself of your view any favours with your comment spamming. If you feel so strongly someone is being unfair, why don't you find a better way to respond? With the time you've spent on argumentatve comments without relevance, you could have found a friend to help you write a blog.

As I said, when I cite my facts and sources and you just send a stream of angry comments and say "I won't stop until you are fair", people just see this as a sign you can't respond with anything except the blog equivalent of spamming. All it really does is bump up my views and comments tally, that gets more reads for the article and the article will stick in people's minds far more than the unrelated comments beneath it.

IMHO If you can understand my blog on economics (where you left a comment saying I "know nothing about economics or Thailand") then surely you can write a piece yourself. Why not try? You can practise your English and maybe you will enjoy blogging? :-)
comment 14
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 15.44

To TN Staff : If your decision is sided on MR R&W.
Just notify me openly and I will rest my case on him. No need to go into to my mail box.
comment 13
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 15.40

Well, well, well.

abcdefg, by the way you might be interested to know the 'political football' article was actually linked on TN web site and in their printed edition, so requests to remove it now would be pointless and nobody else has deemed it libelous

OK fine I accept that, was it so hard to answer my question then and you have to answer it here? I did ask you where your actual informations coming from, didn't I ?
comment 12
redandwhitestripes date : 29/09/2007 time : 15.10
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

As we can see, abcdefg obviously has a problem with my blogs. He has posted about thirty comments on my blogs in the last few days and ignored repeated polite requests to keep them on topic or just stop posting.

It's not really a big deal but since he has confirmed he will not stop and has extended his silliness to my personal blog site and is now saving his comments and re-posting them after I delete them, perhaps TN staff can look at this situation and decide what needs to be done?

All comments go to my inbox so I can forward them if need be.
It strikes me as personal spamming, which is what he wants.

abcdefg, by the way you might be interested to know the 'political football' article was actually linked on TN web site and in their printed edition, so requests to remove it now would be pointless and nobody else has deemed it libelous
comment 11
abcdefg date : 29/09/2007 time : 14.10

To the Web editor :

I do have a few question inregards to the rules that you've mentioned :

Rule no 5 : Racism, Thaksino-phobia.

There blogs after blogs circling on these two subject. Were you not aware of it ?

Rule no 6 : The blog "Political football" as I highlighted in my comments. Were you aware of it ?

I'm not trying to offend anyone but just a clear understanding of the rules applied.
comment 10
catch22 date : 29/09/2007 time : 13.00
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

Ian - You make a good point - I think it really is a backward step to have a nanny overseeing every blog. It is actually an insult to lots of intelligent people who can speak up for themselves. I think most insults are directed towards foreign bloggers and if there's really a foreign blogger out there who 'can't take it' I would really like to know who?
I believe this might have been instigated by one or two egocentric Nation staff who cannot respond for themselves, but rather needed to run to 'nanny' for assistance.
comment 9
Ian date : 29/09/2007 time : 09.30
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

I think on the whole these blogs police themselves quite well, most people argue with others in a gentlmanly manner. The few lone morons posting blogs and comments can get a bit tedious at times but as Catch says they are also a source of entertainment. Although I am rather surprised that the Thai bloggers allow people like them to show the world how foolish some Thais can be. Perhaps they do not realise that most of these blogs come quite high in search engines such as google.
comment 8
catch22 date : 29/09/2007 time : 07.06
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/catch22

i think the incidences of real abuse or incitement of pure hatred are quite rare - and what incidences there have been I'm sure have been adequately dealt with as adults by way of either slapping the person, crticising the person or simply deleting the comments. Have things really been THAT bad, I haven't noticed. I have noticed a few scathing remarks towards populat Nation journalists - is this what you mean....if so I'm surprised at the fragility of such people? I have also noticed stupid remarks to one or two intelligent people who know they are remarks from a moron and I think have actually had a 'bit of fun' replying.
comment 7
redandwhitestripes date : 29/09/2007 time : 06.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/reallifethailand

In light of recent events it is possible to request a "locking" feature on threads? This could be either at the discretion of the blog writer or they could request the WE to do it.

Also, a suggestion for a contact e-mail to report abuse etc. would be good?
comment 6
windy date : 28/09/2007 time : 18.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/lisnaree
Lisnaree Vichitsorasatra

Thank u for reminding...and I am sorry sometimes if I am mean to somebody..
comment 5
PasaNINJA2499 date : 28/09/2007 time : 18.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/PasaNINJA2499
Keep walking forward. Don't give up. Don't fed up.

10 rules of fun
comment 4
redandwhitestripes