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Cambodian PM Hun Sen says Thaksin Shinawatr should get the kind of world attention that Aung San Suu Kyi gets. That statement has inevitably become immediately controversial, for obvious reasons and the "uncomparable comparison" has drawn reactions from various quarters. The most striking perhaps has come from former diplomat Surapong Jayanam who was once Thai ambassador to Burma. Surapong usually doesn't pull punches when it comes to making his political statements. So, when Hun Sen said he considered Thaksin as respectable as Suu Kyi, Surapong retorted: "The difference between the two is like heaven and hell." Do I have to ask who's heaven and who's hell?

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comment 84 Plaadip date : 04/11/2009 time : 13.23

C83, what an intelligent comment!

comment 83 Hermano_Lobo date : 03/11/2009 time : 21.18 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

What an intelligent comment from a journalist who represents a country that gets closer in fascist style to Burma by the hour.

comment 82 Ian date : 03/11/2009 time : 17.04 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

comment 81, you mean like Sondhi and his magic tampons?

comment 81 notdisappointed date : 03/11/2009 time : 04.24

RN c80; it's because the remaining hundreds are stupid? And they don't realize that the devil is in disguise behind his sq face mask. Don't forget that the devil is a 'trickster and 'manipulator' creating illusion for the ignorant and naive.

comment 80 RN date : 02/11/2009 time : 01.23

Thaksin is heaven, PAD and millitary is hell. But still some few thousand Thai people support PAD and dictatorship, why is that?

comment 79 Plaadip date : 29/10/2009 time : 21.28

未覺池塘春草夢 階前梧葉已秋聲 If there are peple who does not share this deep feeling at a certain moment of their life, they are very lucky. Thank you !

comment 78 peacefulness date : 29/10/2009 time : 20.43 nationmultimedia.com

plaadip san---- just to complete that poem 少年易老學難成 一寸光陰不可輕 未覺池塘春草夢 階前梧葉已秋聲

comment 77 Plaadip date : 29/10/2009 time : 11.23

C73,Expresso-san, and peacefulness-san, thank you for the compliment but I don't have good knowledge about chinese clasic, and of course I know less about it than both of you. I cannot pronounce a single word in Chinese, but somehow undesrstand the meaning of writing, because I know Japanese style漢字. Besides, Japanese have translated foreign books like hell since aincient times.:) So we can enjoy chinese great classics through translation. And In my generation, there still remained some teachers who quoted 論語 to adomonish us, that's why those chinese maxims are somehow familiar to me. The most frequetnly quoted phrase (even though this is not a Kongzi's word) is: 少年易老学難成 一寸光陰不可軽 Hahaha, now I know it's really true. But in those days, I couldn't understand how true it is!! Cheers

comment 76 notdisappointed date : 29/10/2009 time : 09.39

Ian c71, did I hear you correctly that Px was addressing a young lady doing 69??!!

comment 75 Frankie date : 29/10/2009 time : 08.25

notdisappointed,c68; please be my guest.

comment 74 expresso date : 29/10/2009 time : 01.14 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

With my rudimentary knowledge in Chinese, I would humbly offer my own translation of what Confucius says - which is a combination of what Plaadip and peacefulness have said, but I put in more literary translation and elaboration. It's purely my own interpretation. 子曰：“由！誨女知之乎？知之為知之，不知為不知，是知也。” ------------------------------------- 子曰 : = Confucius says: 由 = may be the name of his disciple who had committed a wrong - possibly from pretending or lying. 誨女知之乎? = "誨女", you repentant girl; "知之乎", do you know? 知之為知之 = If you honestly know something, recognize and say you do. 不知為不知 = If you don't know something, don't pretend and say you know. 是知也 = This represents honesty and virtue - a knowledge. ------------------------ Confucius teachings at that time centered on political and ethical matters. Much of his concern was with human behavior. The key elements of his teachings concerned with duty and humanity. By duty, he meant that all people should subordinate their own interests to the wider needs of the family and the community. A key point in his concept of duty was for individuals to work hard to fulfill their duties, only then, the affairs of the communities and the nation as whole could prosper as well. As for his concept of humanity, the ruler must set a good example to start with, or else, there's no meaning. For ordinary citizens, if there is righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the character, then harmony at home, then order in the nation, then peace in the world....Well, I say forget about peace in the world as long as you have religious fanatics and "magnanimous" liberals

comment 73 expresso date : 29/10/2009 time : 00.48 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Plaadip san, I have seen your posts in various blogs. They tell me you are aware of the difference between thinking and reality, and you recognize that they do not always coincide in the real world. You are a pragmatic person with good insight derived from experience and education and are well-mannered. You also know Thailand very well just like wch san. Your explanation to Al has opened up his mind. Hopefully he will not look at Chinese or Asian sayings in a mundane way which is characteristic of people who have not been educated in it. I, myself, am more Western educated. My Chinese is only limited to the secondary school level. But to me, getting the gist of what you have learned and practice it in real life is more important than throwing out quotes and making metaphors and similes.... Well, I think it's pragmatism that I'm talking about - a traditional American virtue! Hmmm, I wonder if I have learned it in America for having had resided there for 18 years - 12 years in college alone, too busy making a living, I guess

comment 72 Plaadip date : 29/10/2009 time : 00.44

C67, of course yes. It's strange that two thinkers said almost a same thing in the same period of BC .Buddha is a person who was born in the same period, if you don't mind few hundred years differnce.

comment 71 Ian date : 28/10/2009 time : 21.35 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

I find it inconceivable that peacefulness can address a young lady in 69, then spew out the filth he does in his comment 70. This guy is unbelievable, on second thoughts I take that back, I have read his gutter offerings for many years.

comment 70 peacefulness date : 28/10/2009 time : 21.11 nationmultimedia.com

hey mthr fkr AL---C64, YOU totally twist master Confucius's famous quotes, YOU are bullshitting again and again in the nation blog-site with your ugly 'turd', what a fuck!!!!!!! hey mthr fker AL if and when master Confucius should still alive , he would step on your fucking face, take out your fucking eyes, break up your fucking bones into "nano-pieces", and chop up your "rotten dick" to feed dogs with leprosy.......... hey AL --- go wanking and fuck youself to ultimate satifaction and let your semen spread all over your fucking face and drink it with ecstasy deep into your fucking brain to create some chemical action that may transform YOU to be a little bit less idiotic.

comment 69 peacefulness date : 28/10/2009 time : 20.55 nationmultimedia.com

HA_HA C59----young lady สาวน้อย tks a million. Plaadip San C66-- I do appreciate your deep understanding knowledge of chinese history/poem/literature...etc....(judging from your knowledgeable comments). arigatou gozaimasu.

comment 68 notdisappointed date : 28/10/2009 time : 17.37

Px c55, please do me a favor and lay off Al. He means well in his own fashion. Frankie, per Ian's c65; if you're not free would you like me to take your place?

comment 67 Al date : 28/10/2009 time : 17.15 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Plaadip, c64 that the emphasis is put more on the advice not to pretend - than on epistemological aspects - this is possible and most probable. I agree. But isn't the consciousness about the range and the limitations of someone's own knowledge not the premise for the ability to avoid such mistakes? Thank you for your valuable aspect! I didn't see that before.

comment 66 Plaadip date : 28/10/2009 time : 16.55

C64, Given the situation that the master said this phrase, the meaing will be " you should not pretend to know something that actually you don't know." It's very simple. The master tought one of his vulgar but daring disciple how to behave. The idea is similar to what Socrates said but Confucianism is more of conduct codes than a philosophy.

comment 65 Ian date : 28/10/2009 time : 16.47 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Frankie, 56.My profuse thanks for correcting the failing memory of this senile old man, it is a trivial point but clearly infinitely important to you. please arrange a meeting so that I may humbly place my head beneath you foot.

comment 64 Al date : 28/10/2009 time : 16.36 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

HA-HA, c59 Peacefulness, c55 From my point of view the differences between the two translations are essential for the meaning of this verse of Confucius. For me Peacefulness' translation is misleading if not wrong. It's like I would say: ''If you see that the sky is blue then realize that the sky is blue – if you see that the sky is not blue then realize that the sky is not blue....'' This would be trivial. Who is thinking that Confucius was saying such trivial nonsense? Nobody knows all and nobody is generally ignorant – so we can't use generalizations in the context of knowledge. We cannot say: ''If you know then realize that you know'' etc. We have to relate it to the object of knowledge if we want to understand this verse. There may be many translations - but that doesn't mean that all of these translations are correct. Also the translation I used is not really good. It's staying too close to the literal translation. It's not making the meaning of this verse really obvious. The formulations appears to me too complicated. Also in the translation I used the three reflective levels in this verse are not becoming clear to the reader: (1) It's not that what people are usually calling 'knowledge'. The factual knowledge like ''I know that 1+2=3'' or ''I know the address of my neighbour'' etc. It's the (reflected) knowledge about knowledge. It's the knowledge that I know specified facts but also that my knowledge is limited in case of other facts. To overlook this is the first reflective level I have to reach. (2) This reflective knowledge is regarded by Confucius as more essential then the factual knowledge. ''This is knowledge'' he said. This is the second level I have to reach. (3) And finally the third level: There are essential restrictions. We should be aware that there are things we don't know. A better but rather free translation of mine would be: Be aware of that what you know and particularly of that what you don't know. This is what is more essential than any knowledge about facts. (...because this is determining your self-perception.) If Peacefulness' vulgar reaction is ok, then I have nothing more to add. Thank you.

comment 63 Plaadip date : 28/10/2009 time : 14.56

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/26383/chavalit-is-only-a-messenger The point of the Bankok post editorial is "Chawalit is just a messenger so the Government should not accuse him. What a stupid editorial! How can "a senior(or senile?) politician" like him be a messenger of a foreign government to damage his own country? I've got angry with him, even though this is none of my business.

comment 62 Plaadip date : 28/10/2009 time : 14.11

C61, HA_HA hahaha You said it. That's why we need icecream.

comment 61 HA_HA date : 28/10/2009 time : 14.00

55555 sashimi-san.. arigato. anata wa is very smart desu. the reason we're killing time here is not only we're not very smart... but probably nobody in the real world would give a d.a.m.n. about us too..

comment 60 Plaadip date : 28/10/2009 time : 12.58

Let's stop arguing who is smarter than whom. I think we are not so differnt. If we are so smart, why should we kill the time here?

comment 59 HA_HA date : 28/10/2009 time : 10.58

there you go again k. lung. peace. you're really hot blooded (jai-ron) na. you need icecream to cool down. last night before going to bed, i was glad that you guys had become friends at last. i thought i would coming to write about this and encourage you to start a blog about these chinese philo & wisdom. you're really good at this. and it's very interesting. i think mr. Al is interested in this too and he meant no harm. he probably wanted to see the full quote. in fact i like your version of translation better because it's more compact... short and clear. the google version is more detail. it only gives good meaning but lost the chinese "flavour". me think. ... now i hope mr. AL wouldn't mad at me for favour your version .. c46-47 ..

comment 58 peacefulness date : 28/10/2009 time : 10.09 nationmultimedia.com

for thai readers................ reply from khun porntip jarla secretary general of state council concerning the strip of rank and royal decorations from the square face........ "คุณพรทิพย์ จาละ เลขาธิการคณะกรรมการกฤษฎีกา สำนักงานคณะกรรมการกฤษฎีกา ตุลาคม ๒๕๕๒ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ส่งพร้อมหนังสือ ที่ นร ๐๙๐๑/๑๑๕๓ ลงวันที่ ๒๖ ตุลาคม ๒๕๕๒ ซึ่งสำนักงานคณะกรรมการกฤษฎีกา มีถึงสำนักเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรี [๑] ข้อ ๑ การเสนอขอถอดยศตำรวจทั้งแก่ผู้ที่อยู่ในราชการตำรวจ และที่พ้นจากราชการตำรวจไปแล้ว ให้กระทำได้เมื่อมีเหตุอย่างใดอย่างหนึ่ง ดังต่อไปนี้ (๒) ต้องคำพิพากษาถึงที่สุดให้ลงโทษจำคุก หรือโทษที่หนักกว่าจำคุก เว้นแต่ความผิดลหุโทษ หรือความผิดที่ได้กระทำโดยประมาท [๒] ข้อ ๗ เหตุแห่งการเรียกคืนเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ มีดังต่อไปนี้ (๑) เป็นผู้ต้องคำพิพากษาถึงที่สุดให้ประหารชีวิต (๒) เป็นผู้ต้องคำพิพากษาถึงที่สุดให้จำคุก เว้นแต่ในความผิดอันได้กระทำโดยประมาทหรือความผิดลหุโทษ [๓] ข้อ ๖ ในกรณีที่ปรากฏเหตุแห่งการเรียกคืนเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ตามข้อ ๗ ให้ดำเนินการเรียกคืนทุกชั้นตรา เว้นแต่กรณีที่ทรงพระกรุณาโปรดเกล้าฯ ให้เรียกคืนเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์แต่เพียง บางชั้นตรา [๔] ข้อ ๘ เมื่อผู้ได้รับพระราชทานเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์รายใดมีกรณีที่ต้องถูกเรียกคืนเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ตามข้อ ๗ ให้ส่วนราชการต้นสังกัดหรือส่วนราชการที่เสนอขอพระราชทานเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์หรือหน่วยงานที่เกี่ยวข้อง ดำเนินการรวบรวมเอกสารหลักฐาน และประวัติการได้รับพระราชทานเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ของผู้นั้น เพื่อส่งเรื่องไปสำนักเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรี เมื่อสำนักเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรีได้รับเรื่องแล้ว หรือสำนักเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรีพิจารณาเห็นสมควร ให้เสนอรายชื่อพร้อมทั้งชั้นตราเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ ที่สมควรขอพระราชทานพระบรมราชานุญาตเรียกคืน ให้ นายกรัฐมนตรีพิจารณา ในกรณีที่นายกรัฐมนตรีเห็นชอบแล้ว ให้สำนักเลขาธิการคณะรัฐมนตรีเสนอรายชื่อ และชั้นตราเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ที่จะขอพระราชทานพระบรมราชานุญาตเรียกคืน ไปยังสำนักราชเลขาธิการ เพื่อนำความกราบบังคมทูลพระกรุณาขอพระราชทานพระบรมราชานุญาตเรียกคืนเครื่องราชอิสริยาภรณ์ หากทรงพระกรุณาโปรดเกล้าฯ ให้เรียกคืนแล้ว ให้ประกาศในราชกิจจานุเบกษาต่อไป " for more details asking state council for clarifications from the secretary of cabinet and police department.........pls refer http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1256640198&grpid=00&catid=

comment 57 peacefulness date : 28/10/2009 time : 09.25 nationmultimedia.com

easy reading............ bkkpost 28oct09 front page "Council gives ruling on Thaksin's rank " Qte Council gives ruling on Thaksin's rank Published: 28/10/2009 at 12:00 AM Newspaper section: News The Council of State believes the sentencing of ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra to two years in jail is enough justification to strip him of his police rank and royal decorations. The council ruling has been sent to the Cabinet Secretariat along with guidelines to strip Thaksin of his rank of police lieutenant colonel and the royal decorations bestowed on him. The ruling came after the Royal Thai Police queried whether Thaksin's conviction was sufficient to strip him of his rank. It claimed Thaksin was sentenced to prison for violating the rule on conflicts of interest under the anti-corruption law. He was cleared of malfeasance charges under articles 152 and 157 of the Criminal Code. The police's position was that the offence was political, and so might not be enough to warrant revoking his rank under police regulations. The Council of State, the government's legal arm, yesterday said the prison sentence handed down by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions met all the conditions required to revoke Thaksin's rank and royal decorations. As long as the jail sentence imposed on Thaksin was considered final, he should lose his rank regardless of the court in which he was tried. The council cited PM's Office regulations on royal decorations which stipulate that a person can lose them if a jail sentence is considered final. It said the police could only seek to revoke the royal decorations associated with Thaksin's police rank. The Cabinet Secretariat or other agencies could seek to revoke the other decorations. UNqte http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/26372/council-gives-ruling-on-thaksin-rank pics, the square face deserted in the desert........

comment 56 Frankie date : 28/10/2009 time : 09.20

Ian, on behalf of the other posters on this blog,"us guys". I should thank you for your very detailed explanation of what is and what isn't a " convict". However,I don't see the connection to my posting as I have never refered to the fugative,Shinawatra, as a "convict" I refer to him as he is a "fugative", a criminal on the run from the law. You also seem a little confused as to how he left Thailand whilst he was on bail.To remind the readers of the facts here. The "fugative" applied to the courts to visit overseas and proceeded to skip bail. You are a little light on facts in this case, and your memory doesn't seem to serve you well. It could be because of your advancing age though. Pleople seem to do and say odd things when they pass their sell by date.Take the good General Chavalit. Please take him.

comment 55 peacefulness date : 28/10/2009 time : 09.06 nationmultimedia.com

hey mrthr fker AL---- C53 once again it confirmed that you are not only a fucking idiot troglodyte but also a fucking hypocrite your C48 totally demonstrated that you do not beleive what i said about confucius wisdom "知之為知之、不知為不知、是知也" after you googled, you changed your attitude, what a FUCK!!!!!!!! it also confirmed once again that YOU ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED SINCE YOU WROTE "GOOD BYE TO ALL" BUT YOU CAME BACK AT THE SAME DAY AFTER YOUR GOODBYE MASSAGE, WHAT A FUCKING SHAME AL!!!!!!!!!!!!! fyi ----there are hundreds different translations of those quotes from confucius in english, pls fuckoff and be secluded, shame on you!!!!!!!!!

comment 54 Al date : 28/10/2009 time : 00.35 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

sorry, my last comment is related to c52

comment 53 Al date : 28/10/2009 time : 00.33 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Ooooo..... peacefulness, c51 ohh my dear, if it's that what you wanted to tell me - then I must ask you for a better translation ..... 子曰：“由！誨女知之乎？知之為知之，不知為不知，是知也。” I think I found a better translation: The Master said, "You, shall I teach you what knowledge is? When you know a thing, to hold that you know it; and when you do not know a thing, to allow that you do not know it - this is knowledge." I am not sure if you are able to see and understand the differences. But thank you my wise master!!!!

comment 52 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.59 nationmultimedia.com

hey AL---- just finishing playing chess , and see your comment48, it clearly indicates that you do not hv any knowledge of confucius wisdoms. the original quote in chinese "知之為知之、不知為不知、是知也。 may be mobydick can confirm that al........hahahaha

comment 51 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.43 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Sorry... 'wisdom' instead if 'wisdome'

comment 50 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.41 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Ohhhh... are you going to bed... is peace already full? Ok good night .. sleep well and sweet-sour dreams of many many farangs standing around your bed... hoping for more pearls of your wisdome

comment 49 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.38 nationmultimedia.com

hahahahahahahaha..................gute Nacht AL

comment 48 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.34 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Peacefulness, may I publish a book with your famous sayings? I never heard something more brilliant than you last pearl: If you know, recognize that you know, If you don't know, then realize that you don't know: That is knowledge. Confucius in interpretation by peace,ful & ness I can only say: WOW!

comment 47 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.32 natinmultimedia.com

self explanatory........

comment 46 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.28 nationmultimedia.com

yes yes yes yeh yeh yeh yeah yeah yeah yeah........

comment 45 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.26 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Peacefulness! Can you please send us more pearls of your endless wisdome?

comment 44 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.16 nationmultimedia..com

for those idiot farangs--- If you know, recognize that you know, If you don't know, then realize that you don't know: That is knowledge. confucius hahahahahahahahahaha5555555555555

comment 43 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 22.01 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Peacefulness, I can't believe that you are here just to write extremely vulgar comments. Pls let me know more about you. I think you are a senior coming from China, isn't it? Do you know something about Confucius? Please tell me what you know.... Can you? Please!

comment 42 HA_HA date : 27/10/2009 time : 21.56

hahaha ... the owner of this blog must have an headache reading these F F F F F F F

comment 41 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 21.46 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Peacefulness, I see.... THAT's your message, your task here. Aren't you ashamed of yourself?!

comment 40 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 21.32 nationmultimedia.com

hey al------Blvdes Arschloch , Du haste Scheiss Gesicht , Fick deine Mutter , Lichten mein asch, Muttificker . Fahr zur H?lle, Fahr zur H?lle ,Fahr zur H?lle.

comment 39 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 21.25 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Peacefulness, really? You are not paid? Not even a little bit? You are volunteer?????? And what is your message (after you don't write any blogs)???

comment 38 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 21.13 nationmultimedia.com

fucking AL, you are another ultimate idiot. i mentioned a couple of times that i am by myself, i hv no boss. my previous comment on iceberg's blog "Is a behavior normal to always criticize Thailand and her people?" qte comment 109 peacefulness date : 08/10/2009 time : 11.35 nationmultimedia.com this is to confirm i am by myself for the past few years in this blogsite. ALL BLOGS pics,, walking tall, hit movie 1973.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unqte

comment 37 Al date : 27/10/2009 time : 20.55 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Ohhh, Peacefulness, don't hope that. You will have the chance to stay in contact with people thinking in a way different from yours. Be happy - and tell your boss: my job will never end....

comment 36 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 20.33 nationmultimedia.com

C35 IAN--- if you know nothing , pls fuck off, you are a super idiot in this blog site. ai kwai(buffalo). i cannot tolerate your fucking stupidity. i cannot tolerate your fucking ignorance i cannot tolerate your fucking mentality i cannot tolerate your fucking behaviour i cannot tolerate your ........................fuck you IAN

comment 35 Ian date : 27/10/2009 time : 19.21 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Frankie, the thing that really bugs you guys is that Thaksin is not a "convict" a convict is a convicted person serving time in prison. He is not even an "escaped convict" he never went to prison. Neither did he "evade" prison, he was politely escorted out of Thailand with his family and numerous parcels of luggage.

comment 34 Plaadip date : 27/10/2009 time : 11.43

Yesterday, I saw Supalak showed up in the Nation TV and was repeating his creed that the territorial demarcation is a techinical issue. I got aghast. Is he a broken record player which cannot feed any inputs? He can sit tight even after he saw how highly political an issue it is. Incredible. And he did not utter a word of critisism against the politicians who politicised the issue, which, in his opinion, should be purely a "technical" one. I hope his type of fuzzy journalist will not have a big influence over the Nation's editorial. He just repeats NGO's naive creeds in stead of analyzing by himself. What an easy job it is!

comment 33 panya date : 27/10/2009 time : 11.00 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/diversion

Frankie C31 Great comment!!

comment 32 Alien date : 27/10/2009 time : 09.43 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/alien

Comparing Thaksin to Suu Kyi and coming to the conclusion that they are similar in any respect is the act of an irrational mind. Hun Sen should join the Hugo Chavez - Amedinejad gang, he'd fit right in.

comment 31 Frankie date : 27/10/2009 time : 08.27

Hun Sen is where he is today because of a coup. Shinawatra " a human rights abuser of the worst kind" is where he is because of a coup. They go well together " birds of a feather". We also should not forget that the fugative, Shinawatra, once funded a failed coup against Hun Sen. Shinawatra the convict who speaks against coups everyday of his miserable life. Has Hun Sen really forgiven Shinawatra?? Anyway, who cares. To hell with them both.There is life after Hun Sen and the fugative, Shinawatra. A piece of advice to the new found song writers on this blog. Stick to what you do best. "Bullshitting"

comment 30 Plaadip date : 27/10/2009 time : 00.06

Ian, I don't think it's good idea to let Thaksin stay in Cambodia and be used to stir the things up for better conccession in the territorial issue. "Keep an eye on him" .....? it might be helpful only when the PM is planning to assasinate Thaksin, I guess. :) This is what Abhist said according to the Nation, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009/10/24/politics/politics_30115125.php

comment 29 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 00.05 nationmultimedia.com

IAN C19.... pics, the redshirts "play ground" , the square face deserted............ the root of all evil(evilssssssssssssssssssssssss)

comment 28 peacefulness date : 27/10/2009 time : 00.00 nationmultimedia.com

C19 Ian----- pics, evil devil redshirts "play ground"....... chiangmai.

comment 27 Ian date : 26/10/2009 time : 22.11 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Plaadip, 26. Perhaps something along the lines of "You want Thaksin? That's fine by me at least we can easily keep an eye on him if he is just across the border. Would you like a few more while you're at it?"

comment 26 Plaadip date : 26/10/2009 time : 21.28

C25, Ian, are you sure? Would you tell me what Abhist say? Do you know that?

comment 25 Ian date : 26/10/2009 time : 21.10 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Anthony, 20. Just because i reveal hidden talents does not make me Yuri I assume you were joking, if not perhaps ND can explain the difference to you It takes two to be insulted, one to give and one to receive. Hun Sen gave, Abhisit chose to receive, that was Abhisit's mistake. He displayed his immaturity with the diplomatic game. He thinks that controlling the Thai media is the same as controlling the world media. Sure it is a slap in the face for Thailand, because Abhisit lacked the skills to avoid the blow and return his own. I can think of numerous responses that would have given Abhisit, and hence Thailand the last laugh. I guess Abhisit was never a member of the Oxford Union. Heck, even an East End street vendor could have done better.

comment 24 stalingrad date : 26/10/2009 time : 20.54 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/stalingrad

Ian c.19: yes, good piece of songwriting. How about this one, my favourite. Probably sung by a few self-exiled politicians. Substitute….for Tipperary, etc.: It was a favorite of U-boat crews, resigned to their fate after being hounded by Asdic and Allied superiority in general, after 1942. It's a long way to Tipperary, It's a long way to go. It's a long way to Tipperary To the sweetest girl I know! Goodbye Piccadilly, Farewell Leicester Square, It's a long long way to Tipperary, But my heart's right there. Every ambitious Thai politician who wants to take a short cut to power and riches should practice singing this, just in case. The Nation blog is at the crossroads between being dragged to the muddy and filthy trenches and being led to the Munich Octoberfest where beer and laughter flows. What will it be?

comment 23 notdisappointed date : 26/10/2009 time : 19.16

Although some of you would like to discredit the views of some Thais here stating that they just speak for a segment of Thai society; please be aware that a recent Dusit Poll show overwhelmingly (73%) that Thais felt that hun sen's remarks only served to create further divisiveness between Thailand and Kampuchea. It was a diplomatic 'foot in mouth'. Ian nice lyrics put iin a chorus and a tune to it and you may have a have a hit on your hands! Well done sir!!

comment 22 notdisappointed date : 26/10/2009 time : 19.09

The question is: Can thaksin really be seriously compared with Aung San? Heaven and Hell? Answer: NO! Snide glib answers do not the answer make.

comment 21 Al date : 26/10/2009 time : 19.06 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/albert

Ian, your song made me laugh. It describes quite well the pathologic situation in some circles. The Anti-Thaksin attitude has become a kind of political ideology making people unable to think in a rational way. I doubt that Thaksin will be able to stay in Cambodia – but it's fun to think that he will become an economic advisor there. Poor AV – that will challenge his poor economic policy more than ever. At least it would be no damage for Cambodia - and for Thailand as well.

comment 20 anthonyford date : 26/10/2009 time : 18.54 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anthonyford The Truth is Freedom

C19, now we know who Hermo is.

comment 19 Ian date : 26/10/2009 time : 17.23 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND,2. you left out the comma after hun Anthony, 4. I agree on both counts. Khabom, 8. Dom't expect an answer. Stal, 17. " But I know I'm whistling against the wind in these blogs." No, no, no one would dare contradict you, this blog is a yellow playground. How does it go. join me in this chorus, I wrote it specially for you; Thaksin evil, Thaksin bad, Thaksin making Thailand sad Extradite him, send him home we will cut him to the bone Our army's strong our army's brave We'll send Cambodians to their grave.

comment 18 Dalmasian date : 26/10/2009 time : 17.22 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/dalmasian

Comparing Aung San Suu Kyi the "Saint" and Thugsin the Crooked Fugitive is like comparing a lion and a rat. One is elegant, patient, determined and works in broad daylight while the other is treacherous, insincere, untrustworthy and likes working in the dark. Do I need to say who is which? Ian the sage of the used to be Nation Weblog (now a rubbish blog) used to write birds of like feathers flock together. Green bean vermicelli "Hun Sen" and "toxic" Thugsin are both thugs and gangsters or "naklieng" in Thai. That's why they could go along wth each other well. Is that so difficult to understand? -- Dalmasian

comment 17 stalingrad date : 26/10/2009 time : 13.49 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/stalingrad

There is no way that Aung San Suu Kyi can be compared to Thaksin. Aungsan has been brave enough to remain in house arrest for years, firmly standing up for democracy right in the den of military dictatorship. She is undergoing mental and physical deprivation without flinching when she could have easily give in to the Junta's demands and received freedom in return, perhaps to exile, and a more comfortable life. She is a symbol of defiance to oppression much admired by the international fraternity, progressive and conservative. No wonder the Burmese student movement is now retaliating Hun Sen for his ill considered comparison with Thaksin. As for Thaksin, he's light years behind Ang San in terms of guts and self-sacrifice, mainly working in the comfort of a luxury condominium with easy access to gourmet food and the like. His support comes mainly from a collection of dictatorships and rather elementary leaders in marginal countries, as can be seen in his recent travel itinerary. But I know I'm whistling against the wind in these blogs.

comment 16 Plaadip date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.59

Sorry for the dobule posting. Lurker, I think you don't have a sense of propotion. For me it's difficult even for straits Times or new straits times to be compared to the new light of myanmar.

comment 15 HA_HA date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.59

oops...the link to accompany c9 http://www.pantip.com/cafe/rajdumnern/topic/P8472698/P8472698.html

comment 14 Plaadip date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.55

C12, what? are you sure?:)

comment 13 Plaadip date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.55

C12, what? are you sure?:)

comment 12 lurker date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.44 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/lurker

I think a better analogy is The Nation with the New Light of Myanmar. Both act as propaganda mouthpieces for military juntas and benefactors.

comment 11 HA_HA date : 26/10/2009 time : 12.08

You media really tries to stir up things to serve your purpose na. As far as I see no freedom fighters are good at running a country. Look at Nehru's after he got India back from the British. India had been one of a hell until recently when she changed her policy. Anyway, fighting for freedom is the first step of being a true country. I think it's more appropriate if you compare Myanmar Junta with the AV government now since AV would probably lead Thailand democracy backward to Myanmar level if he's allowed.

comment 10 HA_HA date : 26/10/2009 time : 11.58

PM Hun Sen sees both as political victims. That's much far you can comparing the two. And everybody who is sensible knows it. Outside this how can anyone trying to compare Thaksin with Aung San Su Yii? Aung San Su Yii has never run a country. Although her fighting for democracy in Burma is heroic, I really don't know what she has done to the country so far?

comment 9 HA_HA date : 26/10/2009 time : 11.46

mr. yoon, next time you and your PM should wear bikini oops bathing suit na. it suites the atmosphere more than long trousers and leather shoes. Geez..who is you guys stylist? fired him.

comment 8 Khabom date : 26/10/2009 time : 10.50

Khun Suthichai, Maybe the question should be: as ‘Nation editor-in-chief’ how have you let this weblog turn into a kindergarten? Seriously, why would anyone attempt to have a serious discussion on this board now?

comment 7 peacefulness date : 26/10/2009 time : 10.20 nationmultimedia.com

easy reading......... Thaksin has much to offer Cambodians http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/26285/thaksin-has-much-to-offer-cambodians pics, odd man out hunsen......

comment 6 peacefulness date : 26/10/2009 time : 10.10 nationmultimedia.com

easy reading.......... Does Hun Sen want to play in our political sandbox? http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/26281/does-hun-sen-want-to-play-in-our-political-sandbox

comment 5 Plaadip date : 26/10/2009 time : 09.07

C4, the lady was accused by some hot-headed activists for her "too-compromising" attitude to the junta. (Ji Unparkonrn is one of them.) Give her a break.

comment 4 anthonyford date : 26/10/2009 time : 08.57 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anthonyford The Truth is Freedom

Aung San Suu Kyi born an elite and single handedly resigned Burma to a system of dictatorship for decades to come. Contrary to world media opinion, I see Taksin and this women no different, they both had very poor politician perception and they both had a non-compromising all or nothing attitude which ultimately resulted in their influence being nullified and their countries suffering greatly. Aung San Suu Kyi had a chance to be part of a team that could slowly evolve the country into a working democracy, but she chose to threaten the people who were willing to relinquish some power, not reward them as any shrewd politician would do. She presented to the power brokers in Burma the persona similar to an undergrad student political activist at a Western university. A blind Freddy would see her childish approach would result in excessive restriction. Taksin similar treated the power brokers in Thailand with the same amount of disdain and disrespect and the result was similar. I see it as both created hell in order to go to heaven.

comment 3 ChristySweet date : 26/10/2009 time : 08.02 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/ChristySweet

And T land is so strongly admonishing Burma now ...

comment 2 notdisappointed date : 25/10/2009 time : 23.32

Panya, actually hun sen hasn't forgotten he wants some of that too!

comment 1 panya date : 25/10/2009 time : 21.45 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/diversion

Presumably, Hun Sen has forgotten the EXIM loan to the Burmese junta which Thaksin pushed through so that they could buy Shin Sat equipment, let alone the other investments which he/Thailand arranged with the Burmese military, the very ones who have confined Suu Kyi to house arrest for nearly two decades. How therefore can there be any comparison at all? .

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