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Thursday , October 15 , 2009
Why do politicians make unity so divisive?
Posted by Yoon , Reader : 1076 , 06:29:48  
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IT HAS become a sick joke among observers of veteran politicians at work: The more they talk about national reconciliation, the more divided they become.

In other words: Why is national unity such a divisive subject?

In a way, the answer isn't all that complicated. The term "unity" or "reconciliation" is there to be exploited by politicians whose only aim seems to be to make things favourable enough for them to win the next election.

If the opposition Pheu Thai Party appears to be split into various factions on this issue, rest assured it isn't about how to amend the constitution. It is crude, pure and simple: How to get Thaksin Shinawatra, the real owner of the party, off the hook.

Of course, you can't say that openly. To make it all sound nice, patriotic and visionary, the opposition MPs have been drumming up support for "reconciliation". If that doesn't sound convincing enough, they resort to blaming the current constitution for being "dictatorial".

First, they thought by joining the government and the Senate, Pheu Thai could apply enough pressure to change some of the "unfavourable" clauses. But they apparently didn't get the right message from Dubai.

When Pheu Thai's chief whip Witthaya Buranasiri went along with the government and upper house whips to hammer out a six-point amendment and to go for a referendum, Thaksin was mad. That wasn't good enough for him. How could those "insignificant changes" get him out of his political limbo?

Witthaya and Chalerm appear in a press conference together on Wedensday to try to show they are still united.

Somewhere, somehow the wires got crossed from Dubai to Bangkok. Chalerm Yoobamroong, the party's so-called "chairman of MPs" declared the whole process was off. Pheu Thai was pulling out of the charter-amendment process. Opposition chief whip Wittaya took a different position. He said the party was still involved in the charter amendment scheme - but wouldn't endorse a referendum.

If the message got confused from Dubai, you can only blame one man: Thaksin wasn't sure himself what route to pursue.

First, he wanted the current charter amended to drop a few clauses that he considered "too harsh" - in other words, those provisions that led to his Thai Rak Thai and People Power parties being dissolved and him being banned from politics for five years due to electoral fraud.

The idea of a referendum to pass or reject the new constitution draft was never an issue for him, since he was confident that his party could win a majority in any public electoral test.

But then, he had second thoughts. If he is to start with a clean slate, a few changes here and there won't help. He needs a total constitutional makeover. Perhaps, if the 1997 Constitution could be brought back in its entirety, a real political reversal could materialise.

That's when Thaksin, without having properly consulted his lieutenants in the party, went on his Internet radio programmes to start a new theme: "Why waste Bt2 billion to conduct the referendum, just to poll the electorate on six proposed changes in the constitution? If money had to be spent anyway, why not just ask the public whether we should bring back the 1997 Constitution?"

It was as if his senior party executives in Thailand were taking orders by listening to his radio shows - and because his message wasn't clear-cut in the first place, Wittaya and Chalerm came up with two different interpretations. The long-simmering rift between the two then broke into the open.

If charity begins at home, then national reconciliation should likewise start within the party itself.

When Pheu Thai announced a confusing "withdrawal" from the charter-amendment plan, the domestic political circle was quick to declare: Pheu Thai has fallen into the Democrats' trap.

Why? Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva, without much hesitation, immediately put the blame on the opposition, saying: "Don't forget that we the Democrats didn't really want this process to start in the first place."

What that means is: We are back to square one. Things will get worse before they get better.

That's because the politicians have somehow managed to make the topic of unity a really divisive one.


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comment 39
happyjack date : 20/10/2009 time : 07.29

For the benefit if Brain dead,or Teachers, i meant is not.
comment 38
happyjack date : 20/10/2009 time : 07.27

Surely if this be a Democracy,why is the Eldest Daughter of H.M. proclaimed Queen,not the second born.Shes a natural peoples Princess,and i well loved Royal.Some garbled excuses please from Thai Bloggers
comment 37
peacefulness date : 19/10/2009 time : 15.52
nationmultimdia.com


pics, the most corrupt, deposed, ousted fugitive criminal "the square face" deserted.........

where is my supporters???????????????????????
where is my three bottle headed stooges veera/jatuporn/natawut and all the slaves??????????
...............

where are my sevile sycophants in the nation blog-site???????????????? hermanolobo/ian/felix qui/bkkray/lurker/erik orange/kabom/steven/pom juk/ginola/maxheadroom/aussie observer/ and the likes...........
comment 36
peacefulness date : 19/10/2009 time : 15.43
NATIONMULTIMEDIA.COM


PICS,,, the final hours of the evil devil monsters redshirts.....
comment 35
bzzzzzBee date : 18/10/2009 time : 23.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/beehive


comment 34
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 17.13


Be nice old people!

They say that pictures say a thousand words.
comment 33
Ian date : 18/10/2009 time : 12.08
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

BBB, the battle of the pictures
Basically they are lost for words.
comment 32
bzzzzzBee date : 18/10/2009 time : 10.57
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/beehive

interesting to see that Peace's way of making his point hear with pictures is now a trend .... must be working as others are following suit.


comment 31
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 06.42


A lost generation of red indoctrinated zombies.

are you one of them pj?
comment 30
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 06.41


Hey pj, red slaves brought out to do the will of your master thaksin.
comment 29
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 06.40


Yo pj, how about red shock troops.
comment 28
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 04.19


Yo pj, How about the three stooges? You can be the 4th stooge.
comment 27
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 04.15


pj, this is your master showing his proof that the military acted with violence during Black Songkran.
comment 26
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 04.14


red tanker to barbecue the whole neighborhood.
comment 25
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 03.52


pj this is thaksin when he fouod out how much he had to pay his stooges and supporters for their night out to listen to music and mouth the same tired lines that 'nobody but nobdy but you' listens to.

!0,000 show up but he has to pay for 50,000.
comment 24
notdisappointed date : 18/10/2009 time : 03.49


pj this is your savior kissing my foot.
comment 23
Pomjuk date : 18/10/2009 time : 01.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk


Indoctrinated generation of modern day Thai slaves.
comment 22
peacefulness date : 17/10/2009 time : 20.35
nationmultimedia.com


pics, "Modern Time Slave" We have seen a lot of people lost there senses of independence and self-respect and act as if they are slaves of some people in current events. We thought that slavery was thing of the past. But, in fact, it is not. It just changed from conditional slavery to voluntary slavery.
comment 21
Pomjuk date : 17/10/2009 time : 16.56
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk


How about the Vice King and the Vice King in-waiting?
comment 20
Pomjuk date : 17/10/2009 time : 16.23
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk


How about the slavery proclamation that states that all Thais shall be born into slavery with limited right and limited freedom and dictated will?
comment 19
Pomjuk date : 17/10/2009 time : 15.52
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/pomjuk


How about the yellow shirted terrorists? Should they be in jail for the rest of their lives for closing the d@me Bangkok airports for 2 weeks causing trillions of dollars worth of damage for the country?

How about judges of four high courts who are appointed by 50% appointed members of upper house? How about bias justice systems that cannot deliver “equal justice for all” should it has the right to exist?

How about a system that is taxing the people to fund someone else’s private military? (where I am it’s called a mafia)

How about military’s puppet government who put into power by special interest groups thru military coup, judicial coup (disbandment of three opponent political parties) and political coup (using money to buy of members of the parliament)?

How about a political party that hide over 100 million baht worth of donation and have never been indicted?

No justice no piece!!
comment 18
peacefulness date : 17/10/2009 time : 13.16
nationmultimedia.com


the evil redshirts stooges will be punished by "fah-din" again and again and again and again endlesssly............
comment 17
peacefulness date : 17/10/2009 time : 12.10
nationmultimedia.com


pics, from matichon newspaper 17oct09
comment 16
peacefulness date : 17/10/2009 time : 10.18
nationmultimedia.com


pics, from bkk post tdy's issue 17ocr09
comment 15
Ian date : 16/10/2009 time : 22.02
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND, I think the mistake you make is to expect the middle path to be a straight line, it is not, it is a zig zag. Sometime I lean towards Reds, less often towards Yellow, and very rarely towards Blue.
It depends upon the particular issue, and as even the issues frequently drift then so does my path.
Take the referendum on the constitution changes, on off, on off. The Reds change their minds, Abhisit changes his mind, the yellows also change their minds. How do you walk a middle path in that mess?
comment 14
notdisappointed date : 16/10/2009 time : 15.25


That's what I want to see Ian c13. Well not your first sentence but the remaining sentences. You should keep up this middle path.

Because when you give support, in your devil may care devil's advocate's way to the reds and therefore thaksin you will receive a whole lotta grief from some Thais here.
comment 13
Ian date : 16/10/2009 time : 10.06
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND, 8. I see you are getting your upper and lower orifices confused again. There are both red and yellow generals, not forgetting blues. They fight each other through surrogate puppets and the nation suffers.
comment 12
dryshrimp date : 16/10/2009 time : 07.49
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/dryshrimp

Khun Sutthichai, your interview in the current Nation Sudsubda on Wo Wachiramethee is terrific.

comment 11
wch date : 16/10/2009 time : 05.44
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/wch

" Only with his name and surname and speech tone, I can recognize which class he belongs to, from which region he came, why he came to Bangkok ".

This statement is the real division of Thai society.

In fact those preaching UNITY is the elite people, say 'amataya noble class' that has ruled the commoners so far. Now that the commoners' class disobey to the ruling class, 'Ruling class demands UNITY'. In their value, UNITY is OBEDIENCE.

It is not DIVISION between the Democrats and the other political parties including Pethai. Each fight for their power.
Never an accord has been seen by the Republicans since the democrat Obama government was installed in 'boastful American democracy'.
The republicans behave now like 'dumped wife yelling at village baksoi'.

Is this said 'division' ?.

What is the reconciliation ?, between who and who, and why it is needed in Thai society ?.

The most currupted part of Thai society is the elite amataya class. Look at health care area. They are all highly educated doctors and social workers who enjoyed prestiges and wealths.
They are real culprits of the corruption tradition of Thai society. Politicians colludes them. Local MP is just a rat surving around those amtaya nobilities.

The yellow and the red can co-work if they become civil movement and expel the corruption of the elite class.
Now most of RED shirt say 'We are not for Thaksin's return but fight the elite class of Bangkok".

Earlier I predicted Yellow and Red will finally join, Yellow will fight in Bangkok and cities zones, Red will fight in the ruralities.

Thailand must put into jail, the corrupted military generals pocketing commission from overseas purchase of war hardwares. This is the start of ending historic corruption culture.
comment 10
Its_Kant date : 16/10/2009 time : 03.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/KANTSPAGE
Look@yourself before judging me

Mr Yoon maybe its the core of divide that being projected from your paper and other Thai papers.

Your papers headlines are for sales and not of truth
comment 9
notdisappointed date : 15/10/2009 time : 21.46


tony c1, hold your breath while you're waiting. I see a one-two punch from ean and tony.

Unity through Divisiveness is the rallying call from thaksin to his supporters - the reds and pueu thai. This will engender strife and turmoil the better for further divisiveness to remain a constant in Thailand. Do you see this as good thing tony?

tony, how can democracy take hold when thaksin is using the divisive card to to make sure that disunity becomes prevalent until he is rehablitated and whitewashed of his crimes and sins?

All of you overlook that thaksin himself was not the fount of democratic values but what you would want is that he return. The choice for the 'greater' of two evils?

In ean's words:

“All Thai politicians at this level are corrupt, no matter what their political affiliation, so lets have back the ones who understood how to do it, get Thailand moving again.”
Ian c15; 06/10/09; time: 10.44 - “What's the deal between Thaksin and Chavalit?”

comment 8
notdisappointed date : 15/10/2009 time : 21.09


Ian, is that all of your wisdom?

It's the men in uniforms.

What about those in red uniforms who still are creating divisive situations and attempts to stifle national reconciliation.

Your biases are so transparent.
comment 7
Ian date : 15/10/2009 time : 11.51
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Thailand is a small trough and there are too many pigs, mostly in uniform. No form of democracy will ever be possible in Thailand until the uniformed pigs get turned into bacon. But who has the power and the courage to attempt that?
comment 6
peacefulness date : 15/10/2009 time : 11.45
nationmultimedia.com

my previous comment on patriot's blog " thai unity and national pride" jul09, 2008

Qte

comment 85
peacefulness date : 23/07/2008 time : 12.20
nationmultimedia.com



Khun Danuj----Actually the พจนานุกรมไทย ราชบัณฑิตยสถาน ( thai royal academic dictionary/thai official dictionary) already erased "Unity and Pride" out from its place since the "Acquittal of Thaksin Shinawatra from his assets concealment 2001".

In nowadays political situation these two wards UNITY and PRIDE may not have the chance to be inserted into their proper place again. amen!!!!!!!

Unqte
comment 5
anthonyford date : 15/10/2009 time : 10.21
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anthonyford
The Truth is Freedom

C2- So true.
comment 4
Steven_ date : 15/10/2009 time : 10.11

Yoon,
To answer its so simple.

Everybody is just working for his own self interest.
comment 3
Plaadip date : 15/10/2009 time : 10.05

Thaksin needs an agenda for the red movement to go on. That's all.
comment 2
Dalmasian date : 15/10/2009 time : 09.46
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/dalmasian

It seems to me that most of the farangs or guaylo's here continue to harbor the notion that there is real democracy in this country and that elections can be conducted in a fair and transparent manner.

After all that have been said and argued in this weblog over the past several years, if you still believe that the above are possible, then I guess we should ask the Walt Disney organization to move to and set up their world headquarters in Bangkok, for truly these can only happen in a fantasy land or Disneyland environment.

-- Dalmsian
comment 1
anthonyford date : 15/10/2009 time : 08.55
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anthonyford
The Truth is Freedom

Successful Democracies do not have unity in terms of the decision making process but unity in terms of believing in the democratic process.

Thailand does not have unity in terms of the belief in the democratic process. The disunity at the moment is caused by the inability of the elected members to trust the electorate’s decision.

The Government members with power fear that they will loose power, they do not have the self belief they can legitimately win it back through democratic means and they do not have the temperance to respect the democratic outcome.


When the Government were in opposition to TRT some 3 or more years ago, they were so close to taking power legitimately, but they did not have the confidence in the electorate to generate the strategies to win by fair democratic means.

Unity in terms of believing in the democratic process will only come when Abbisit and his supporters develop the skills and the courage to take on the opposition in an election. I suspect we may be waiting for a few years for this to happen.
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