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Thursday , July 2 , 2009
In politics, whatever the reason, you cant go home again
Posted by Yoon , Reader : 816 , 04:57:46  
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HE SAYS HE IS LONELY. He pleads with his supporters not to let him "wither" in the desert. He wants to come home. But it seems Thaksin Shinawatra, the ex-premier, wants a royal pardon before he is ready to kiss his homeland's soil once again.

Thai authorities - all the way from police, public prosecutors, to Foreign Ministry officials - also say they want Thaksin to come back. But it's a different kind of home-coming. They have an arrest warrant for him to serve the court-ordered two-year jail term.

Strange but true. Officials say they have yet to locate Thaksin. They have even asked Interpol, the international police agency, to help hunt him down. But the convict makes no secret of his whereabouts.

Thaksin said in one of his recent "phone-ins" to voters in Sakon Nakhon and Si Sa Ket provinces: "I am bored. I am in Dubai. It's terribly hot here. Temperature could hit 51 degrees Celsius next month. Please, help me get back home. I am 60 next month. Don't wait until I am 70 before you have me back to serve the country..."

In other words, Thaksin may be saying to the Abhisit government: "Catch me if you can - but first, grant me an amnesty." In response, you could almost hear Prime Minister Abhisit saying: "You should thank your lucky stars that we pretend not knowing where you are. Of course, we are supposed to want to haul you back here. We aren't quite ready for you just yet. So, stay away or get lost."

I don't think Thaksin was joking or playing games when he repeatedly complained of being "lonely in the desert". He apparently realises - despite the double by-election victories in the past two weeks - that the longer he waits out there ("it's almost three years now that I have been ousted", was part of his rantings), the more likely that his chances of a political return will be reduced. Every day that Abhisit remains in power means a further dent in Thaksin's opportunity to reclaim his power base.

That's why he came up with a new gambit: Thaksin in the latest anti-government rally last Saturday got Veera Musigapong, one of his closest allies in the red-shirted movement, to publicly raise the issue of a public petition to seek royal clemency.

"I will get one million signatures to submit the petition," Veera declared in an ostensibly well-orchestrated move - as if to stress that since the ex-premier was lonely, he should get a royal pardon.

Within hours, though, the Democrats hit back with a statement that the petition would be in vain since a royal clemency could be granted only to convicts who are serving their jail terms. Justice Minister Pirapan Salirathavibhaga was quick to point out that he was unaware of any instance of a petition for pardon by people other than convicts and their relatives or those closely connected to them.

Thaksin is determined to be a different kind of a convict. In fact, he has, in all his public statements, refused to be even labelled a convict. He said he had done nothing wrong. He claimed the country's judicial process had been politicised - and that he was a victim of such a flawed system.

If you take the justice minister's words seriously, any attempt to file a petition to seek Thaksin's return to Thailand as a free man is doomed. The minister had this to say: To be eligible for a royal pardon, convicts must be serving out their sentences and show remorse for their crimes.

How Thaksin can meet those two demands is beyond me. He denies he is a convict. So, there is no remorse to be expressed.

Perhaps, as a character in "A Death in the Family" by James Agee says: "How far we all come. How far we all come away from ourselves. You can never go home again…"

Especially when you played such a major role in tearing up this "home".


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comment 29
expresso date : 07/07/2009 time : 02.28
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

Ian, just accept that you exploit Thailand!
comment 28
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.05

Ian, that's where we differ; I say in my heart and in my mind; that Hap and Exp. are Honorary Thais. Has nothing to do with the law. You get too caught with the noise around us that you forget that we are people together sharing ideas, opinions, and criticism with each other. All three of you have given me gentle nudges or a push from time to time.

I take it all as being friendly; not like I would with others here. Those others are not as civil and sincere.
comment 27
happyjack date : 05/07/2009 time : 08.00

Just an aside,I could not defend a Person i thought was Guilty, in fact i would have to cross over to Prosecution.If i got a Guilty Man Off,id be ashamed of bending the Truth.
comment 26
happyjack date : 05/07/2009 time : 07.54

Well Ian,thats how i find it.I see the most popular Uni Courses in England is Law.More Taking Heads,and no Bloody Engineers.A seething mass of Non Producers to split hairs with.
comment 25
Ian date : 05/07/2009 time : 03.14
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

HJ, 21, I agree to a large extent, although Irish is definitely not English. But you see this is because Thailand gets the dregs, what good qualified teacher would want to come where he is treated as a second class citizen, has to report every 90 days like a convict on parole, has to often pay between double and ten times the going price for anything compared to the locals, where he cannot buy a home, where if he wanders away from his immediate area he is assumed to be a sex tourist, and where the media frequently portrays him as a paedophile doing a runner from the British police.
In the days when I used to do visa runs I would meet these teachers by the busloads, I used to pass the time teaching them grammar and vocabulary, and I'm a physics teacher
As far as I'm concerned Thailand get the teachers it deserves, the one's who can't cut it back home.

ND, 24. There is another term for being an honorary citizen, it is "going native", I would not want to go native in Thailand, I find it difficult to be selfish, corrupt and to accept being brain washed. I'm sure if Buddha was to be reincarnated he would feel the same, you can call HJ an honorary Thai, but he is not and never will be, the Thai people and their government would never permit it.
comment 24
notdisappointed date : 04/07/2009 time : 12.34

Expc19, Just trying to be friendly is all. You know, keep your friends close and your enemies closer? I now know who’s who and I’m noticing them one-by-one; can’t you tell?

And, when have I never listened to you?

Hap; you’re a good man; like exp, a tried and true honorary Thai
comment 23
BangkokRay date : 04/07/2009 time : 10.16

nd, #16,

Huh?
comment 22
happyjack date : 04/07/2009 time : 07.01

I took a break before it cut off.As Larry King said of someone,if it Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck, then Generally it is a Duck.For example i called into a German owned Restaurant, there has been a young Irish Teacher using it for a couple of Years,hes done a runner,and left the Kind German with an unpaid Bill for his Birthday Party. Thats how i find em,and thats how i shall refer to them.
comment 21
happyjack date : 04/07/2009 time : 06.42

Ian,i will make my point clear as i can about Brit Teachers.I have 3 Companies in Thailand, each in a major City from points North of Nacasawan. I have seen there behavior,attitude, language skills, drinking habits,Restaurant behavior,driving attitude,you name it they have embarrassed me with it. There have been a few good ones over the Years admittedly,but they dont stay long because of the Thai attitude towards Students.You Ian would not believe someone in there position could let the U.K. down so badly.There is no need to apologise to the decent ones like red and white stripe ,only loyalty prevents him saying much the same.I do tend to think i know more than average,because i mixed with Thais for so very long,and enjoy every day here.
comment 20
Ian date : 04/07/2009 time : 04.59
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Hj, and just who are these dumb arsed Brit teachers you are referring To?
comment 19
expresso date : 04/07/2009 time : 00.48
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/expresso

ND, it's simple. The hyenas saw the slack that you gave to your so-called mentor friend at the expense of your ally!

You need not to listen to me btw.
comment 18
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 23.46

N.D. I hope no more idiots from the Vote site come here.
comment 17
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 23.40

Translate to English please Stephany.
comment 16
notdisappointed date : 03/07/2009 time : 23.40

hap, I surfed the webblog today and all I saw was br's putting things his way; which doesn't impress me nor does it provide anything but misunderstandings and potential animosity.

He disappears for a couple of days and comes out 'putting things his way' towards me and how am I expected to take this lightly?

Stick with the gonad, he is far more deserving of your comments than I. See for yourself the word posturing of br.
comment 15
Steven_ date : 03/07/2009 time : 20.44

comment 14, happyjack or for better in wonderland shouldn`t I call you Frankie. Don`t get too emotional or your reasoning may get out of step. So far you have none except for name calling and inanities
comment 14
happyjack date : 03/07/2009 time : 16.14

N.D. Ray,and i are pissed of with your bickering,he puts things his way,and you miss the point.Bite that Fukin Gonad if you want a Fight,or the Dumb Arse Brit Teachers.
comment 13
notdisappointed date : 03/07/2009 time : 14.41

Never said I had any br. You choose to read and/or believe as you think.

I don't have to justify myself to you just as you need not justify yourself to me.

Let's put it this way; I choose to explain myself with my own opinions and views; you choose to make yourself credible with your short remarks.
comment 12
BangkokRay date : 03/07/2009 time : 09.11

Don’t you wish you had half his credibility?"


nd, #9,
Please advise those of us that are so "unknowing", just how much credibility you have "annointed" yourself with. Many of us may be intrigued.
comment 11
happyjack date : 02/07/2009 time : 21.27

As we all know,Philippine's Electorate were bribed to Vote.More Gonad Garbage.Different Nation, Culture,this Guy needs treatment.Thanks wch,for a voice of sanity.
comment 10
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 20.58

Steven,
PAD objected to Thaksin and his two yes-men, not to the election nor to the parliament.

Earlier I wrote Thailand is not divided but they are in competition for power. This is normal process in democracy. I dont know who brought the case of 'division in America' but Thai style division is far different. As long as somebody pay money, they stay in dividing. When someone has no money, they quickly unite with one having money.
I am not joking. Records are not short if review the past history.
Therefore Thailand does not need reconciliation. Time will reconciliate both.
comment 9
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.56

thaksin must bow his head in remorse to HMK and the people of Thailnd for his continuing actions that causes this divisiveness.

And as a counter to your 'wds' let me add what another poster 'bangna trad' had to say about 'wds':

If I remember correctly, ‘the chinaman’ called ‘wds’ ‘wild dogs screaming’ this has no effect on his opinions just posting this fact to remind people that wds’ credibility was considered lacking.

Now he tries to compare Thailand’s reconciliation process with the U.S. Red and Blue States and the internal divisions within the Democrat party there. And because of ‘sportsmanship’. Such a deep insight for something so simple.

Our ‘not disappointed’ stated it factually and clearly; it’s not social it political. Wher did wds not understand this. In his own n a i v i t y combined with his distortions and manipulating ways he wants us to believe that the reds are a social movement. What he doesn’t admit is that the red shits movement is organized, led, and financed by thaksin and his nominees. What social movement is this, when it is for and on behalf of a convicted criminal?

What sportmanship has thaksin the serial liar shown when he himself does not accept defeat. When democracy in Thailand is exist with double standard that the reds nor allow free speech and expression by barring all politicians to go to their provinces? They want democracy but cannot allow it to take place in their own zones. This is wds’ sportsmanship?

Maybe is yes that ‘wild dogs screaming’!

and

"Deceitful steven(sin) I will admit that ‘not disappointed’ is pragmatic person willing to listen with open mind opinions and views of others if the other person is sincere and reasonable. He will not give any time to people who say half truths and true lies. That’s why he is accepted by many bloggers.

Don’t you wish you had half his credibility?"

No matter where you go steven(sin) you will always be a 'gonad'.
comment 8
Steven_ date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.17

Yoon, you are wrong.

It should be, ```In politic for whatever reasons you cant go home or you still can go home. Alternatively you can still become the PM for whatever reasons.
comment 7
Steven_ date : 02/07/2009 time : 15.52

This is an interesting, good and concise comment by WDS from the Nation Forum that should open up the eyes and mind of the anti taksin, military, PAD Democrats, the Nation columnist, and the current coalition government and ALL etc.

```To say that “reconciliation” is merely a political issue and not in any way a social issue is naïve. It makes it sounds as though the speaker neither fully understand the Thai society and its culture nor does he understand how reconciliation is resolved in civilized nations. For example, in the United States of America, its population was severely divided during the most recent presidential election. Not only the division between the Red and the Blue states were very clear, the division among the Democrat party and its members were very clear – some wanted Mrs. Clinton while some wanted Mr. Obama as their Presidential nominee. Yet, while the political division phenomenal among the American citizens was one of the greatest in the American history, socially the Americans were able to resolve and settle their differences through elections. First, the Democrat party settled on Mr. Obama as it presidential nominee through the party voting mechanism. Then, the American people settled their political differences through the presidential election. Americans were able to reconcile their differences and moved on after the presidential election was won by Mr. Obama because SOCIALLY, the Americans have a strong sense of sportsmanship. Most if not all, Americans are athletic by nature. Most if not all American children, socially, start participate in sports since they are at very young age. This social participation in sports is a social mechanism in which America as a nation has as a tool to help its citizen learn and become familiar with sportsmanship. Through sports, Americans learn how to win and how to lose civilly. This American learning of sportsmanship since the young age, help Americans learn how to achieve political reconciliation gracefully when the election is finished.

However, in Thailand, only a handful of Thai children start participate in sports at their young age. Many Thai children are pressured to start very hard to compete scholarly. Many of them grow up watching Thai soap operas that teach no sportsmanship. Many of them grow up witnessing widely practiced extra-marital love affairs (General Sonthi Bunyarataglin – the military dictator is a good example), etc. Not many Thai children, particularly in Bangkok, grow up participate in sports. As a result, SOCIALLY, Thai children do not grow up learning sportsmanship, and thus end up not knowing how to win and how to lose civilly. When they become adults, socially they do not know how to reconcile their differences like a sportsman. When they encounter political differences, they have no social skills to reconcile through elections, as it is evident that in people such as the PAD members who were not able to come to term with the result of the election. Because the PAD members do not SOCIALLY know sportsmanship, they refuse to reconcile with their opposition even though their opposition again and again won a majority vote through the 2550 Constitution in which the military installed people wrote to benefit the PAD members and their alliances such as the Democrat party.

This argument is long because I want to make sure my opponents understand that political division is both a political and a social issue, and it must be reconciled through both political and social means, not one without the other. Socially, people must accept that the result of the election with sportsmanship in the culture and social system like in the United States, in order to politically and socially reconcile their political differences.

comment 6
noonin date : 02/07/2009 time : 15.40
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

What remorse do you expect when you have been wronged?

I guess very little if you were the recipient of Thaksin's justice!
comment 5
Steven_ date : 02/07/2009 time : 15.23

What remorse do you expect when you have been wronged?
Who do you expect him to bow his head to; the military and the power that be still interfere in the election and by throwing the government that it does through a coup. What arrogance is one talking about, when the majorities have been marginalized and denied their fundamental rights and their choice of government? Yes unless he is aquinolize or idolize just as in the Philippines will there be an awakening that will finally put in place the democratic rights of the people and democracy in place.

comment 4
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 13.17

"People demand him to 'show some remorse about his mistakes' but,
Thaksin, at this age, may ask,
'To whom I have to bow my head ?".

That is the arrogance of thaksin who can do no wrong. Whose majority allows him to never be wrong or make any mistakes.

wch; "Will whole Thailand fight Thaksin for next 20 years?" - Not unless he is 'aquinolized'.
comment 3
peacefulness date : 02/07/2009 time : 10.23
nationmultimedia.coms


the square face's phone-in

"I am bored. I am in Dubai. It's terribly hot here. Temperature could hit 51 degrees Celsius next month. Please, help me get back home. I am 60 next month. Don't wait until I am 70 before you have me back to serve the country..."

where are my supporters.....
where are those innocent uninformed less educated my fellow grass-roots...
where are the three bottle-headed stooges ÊÒÁà¡ÅÍËÑǢǴ veera/jatuporn/natawut plus dr weang /ee-pen jakrapob...........


where are hermanolobo/ian/catch22/bkkray/felix qui/maxheadroom/pomjuk/ginola/outsider/aussieobserver/al/xena and all the alikes.........

i am so lonesome i could cry........ by elvis presley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EggG5DjCRU&feature=related
comment 2
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 08.48

Un-common-sensed judgement by the court,
I have long saved this words in my mind. As to the Rachada land trial,
Premie Minister was guilty and sentenced to 2 years jail terms while his wife, more correctly
Prime Minister's wife - a public figure unless she is the 'first lady' in western culture, Khun Ying - equivalent, and
one of shareholders of the political party of TRT, a jurisdic person incorporated, cum the director of the jurisdic person and the financier of the jurisdic person,

is Not Guilty and now She owns the land property in full legitimacy.

This is the politically motivated trial, more importantly a trial under control of unseen power.
This impression is common sense to very much ordinary person like me.

In my, the most common sensed, properly educated, global political watcher, grown up in healthy family and in the society where the highest morality prevalis beyond the any-known civilization, and experienced in most important corner of this earth and watched the dramatic political overturns and over,

I can say here, the court trial was wrong.
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I can say, the transaction must have been nullified, then the penalty must be more disciplinary because this case is
the first case in Thai history. The penalty can be some monetary punishment like doubled amount of the sale money as he and his wife have money or at least jail term with certain probation period.
Also the individual, Thaksin Shinnawatra was once Thai prime minister who suffered from the military coup and toppled away. This circumstance must have been counted in the verdict.

However, Thaksin has the default of personality. He has strange arrogance and self-imposing faith about politics.
He has inability to work in group. He is impulsive.
Such attitude seemed to make others impulsive and angry in reaction.
I do not want to think the judges were a part of them, However if they thought Thaksin is dangerous figure to whole society and to bay him off from the society, it is grave mistake.
Thaksin will fight against such grave mistakes, to die. He is a free man now. He can do anything harmful to Thailand.
At that age and a man gotten through all the sweat and the bitter taste, now hitting 60 years of age,
nothing is worthy to pursue. The death is not scaring. Mandela fought in such mood so he won.
Kim D.J. fought in such spirit and he won.

A man at 60 years of age, nothing he is afraid of, but he cajole things and taste it.
50% of 65 m population share 'same feelings and same mood' with Thaksin and they are Thais.
To this Thais, there is no tommorrow. Patritism is not so meaningful in Thailand.
People demand him to 'show some remorse about his mistakes' but,
Thaksin, at this age, may ask,
'To whom I have to bow my head ?".

I feel Thailand now face real war.
Will whole Thailand fight Thaksin for next 20 years ?

Thaksin never feels lonesome as long as his friends are out there, not hundred but many millions in the north and in the Isan. This is his energy to hold his cause and to go ahead.
.......
comment 1
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 08.40

Un-common-sensed judgement by the court,
I have long saved thi
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