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Sunday , June 28 , 2009

Thaksin's fear of death in the desert

Posted by Yoon , Reader : 2506 , 18:16:46

"Don't leave me wither in the desert here," pleaded Thaksin Shinawatr in his most recent "phone-in" talks with local voters in Si Sa Ket. It's obvious that the former premier was getting impatient. "It's going to be three years this September that I have been out of the country.Next month, I will be 60. Please don't wait until I am 70 before you will get me home," he told his cheering supporters. "I am lonely," he added. He said he was keen to go home and help poor Thais to be relieved of their debts. His "populist policy" was the "original" one, Thaksin said, implying that Premier Abhisit Vejjajiva is a copycat. His tone was subdued and surprisingly soft. Thaksin's previously assertive rhetroic gave way to a more modest touch. He was apparently aware of the fact that even if his Pheau Thai Party could win big in the next general election, there is no guarantee that he can make it back home without having to go through the prolonged and complicated process of fighting the various charges facing him. The joy over his party's victories in the by-elections in Sakhon Nakhon last Sunday and in Si Sa Ket today will prove short-lived. The drawn-out battle has just begun. The public statement at the Red Shirts' rally last night that he will submit a petition to the King for clemency will be controversial and won't come to a conclusion any time soon either.

"Don't leave me wither in the desert here," pleaded Thaksin Shinawatr in his most recent "phone-in" talks with local voters in Si Sa Ket.

It's obvious that the former premier was getting impatient. "It's going to be three years this September that I have been out of the country.Next month, I will be 60. Please don't wait until I am 70 before you will get me home," he told his cheering supporters.

"I am lonely," he added. He said he was keen to go home and help poor Thais to be relieved of their debts.

His "populist policy" was the "original" one, Thaksin said, implying that Premier Abhisit Vejjajiva is a copycat.

His tone was subdued and surprisingly soft. Thaksin's previously assertive rhetroic gave way to a more modest touch. He was apparently aware of the fact that even if his Pheau Thai Party could win big in the next general election, there is no guarantee that he can make it back home without having to go through the prolonged and complicated process of fighting the various charges facing him.

The joy over his party's victories in the by-elections in Sakhon Nakhon last Sunday and in Si Sa Ket today will prove short-lived. The drawn-out battle has just begun.

The public statement at the Red Shirts' rally last night that he will submit a petition to the King for clemency will be controversial and won't come to a conclusion any time soon either.

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comment 92
notdisappointed date : 07/07/2009 time : 15.59

sorry br, I made up a word. Please accept my humble regrets in this matter. I am always making up words or using words that are not normally used (like invalid) that suits my thoughts. However as you seem to have a sensitivity to understanding and comprehension, then I'll try to use more simple words of one/two syllables for your edification. Oops word was too long..

I like to make up new words and it doesn't detract by its meaning that combines two words into one. English is a rapidly changing language with many new words being added. You should try being flexible in your thinking and not so hidebound in dogma and established thought. You would be a better person for it.

But I still would like to to authenticate your allegations in any case.

comment 91
BangkokRay date : 06/07/2009 time : 19.49

You can cut and paste if you like, but make sure you state the blog, dates and times, just to make sure of authentification.

What is "authentification"? Does it have something to do with authenticity or identification? Nice try "native English speaker".

comment 90
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 16.34

br, this is Thailand. Allow me to make the threats.

Are you residing in Thailand legally? Do you have proper documents and identification? These things need to be checked to ensure that our fair country allows actual retirees, like Ian, who contribute to society and ensure that it doesn't just allow any old riff-raff in. Not that I consider you a riff-raff br, don't misunderstand OK?

But I'm still waitng for the proof of your statement that I accused your parents of raising a dirt-bag child or that I said that you had raised idiot children. You can cut and paste if you like, but make sure you state the blog, dates and times, just to make sure of authentification.

comment 89
BangkokRay date : 06/07/2009 time : 10.49

"but I will advise once again that you refrain from making inuendos about my family."
Or else what?

Guess you'll have to wait and see huh?

comment 88
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.24

sorry that should be:

"Can I ask you to not make personal attacks but to comment on the issue withOUT rudeness and snide commnetary too or is this just for you?"

comment 87
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.23

I've been asking you to do that for a long time now. But now you want this? Can I ask you to not make personal attacks but to comment on the issue with rudeness and snide commnetary too or is this just for you?

"You may have put that in your past, quite conveniently, but I didn't."

Show me. Put your evidence on the blog; well not on this blog, but on a blog of your choice that is dead and won't bother anyone.

and finally,
"but I will advise once again that you refrain from making inuendos about my family."
Or else what?

comment 86
BangkokRay date : 06/07/2009 time : 01.14

nd,
You may have put that in your past, quite conveniently, but I didn't. I will discuss politics with you continually, but I will ask you once again to control you mouth when your political comments carry over to your imagination of my personal upbringing or any other aspect of my family life. You can attack my political views until the cows come home, but I will advise once again that you refrain from making inuendos about my family. If you don't think you can do that, suggest you not respond in any way to another post that I make.

comment 85
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 00.42

"According to you, my parents raised a fool and I raised derelect children."

Show me.

Or else it must be your own misinterpretation as we all know you are fast on the trigger but not well-read. You conclude before understanding what is said and how it is said. You've got somewhat of a handicap. You see things through your own eyes and can not accept others views if they don't correspond to yours. This is a bigotry and a racism of thought and action.

By the way keep a hold on your temper; you lose before anytihng can be shared.

comment 84
BangkokRay date : 06/07/2009 time : 00.35

Well, perhaps we have a little in commom after all. According to you, my parents raised a fool and I raised derelect children. You seem to forget your past statements, but I don't. I'll bet your wife is a real charm too. Bet she says hello to you in the AM and goodnight to you while you post your fascist shit on the net. My Thai wife takes excellent care of me and I do likewise. Like I discussed in another blog, my wife enjoys a very comfortable lifestyle...and she still pours my beer for me.
From this moment on, you had better leave my family out of your discussions with me.

comment 83
notdisappointed date : 06/07/2009 time : 00.09

One's at Chula School of Architectuere, International program. The other is still in Elementary school. My son's a captain in the Royal Aide de Camp Corps.

None of them will ever have have to wait hand and foot on anyone! And they can't be bought. And they have morals; they don't cheat and lie. And they know to show respect to their elders; even you. Because they have been brought up to be good people with decent character and values.

And your children? How many are there; where are they; how old are they; and what do they do?

Gee, we're having a family conversation; I'm impressed br, you are human after all. Your soft side is showing. Aw gee!

comment 82
BangkokRay date : 05/07/2009 time : 22.49

nd,
What do your daughters do for a living?

comment 81
notdisappointed date : 05/07/2009 time : 21.19

nn, what American wife would serve her husband hand and foot. The best the husband would get is a smack across the face for not pulling his own weight. Thai wife = paid maid; a LBFM, happy retirement.

comment 80
BangkokRay date : 04/07/2009 time : 23.53

noonin,
I taught my Thai wife right. The BBQ is now over and she did a wonderful job. She even had time to refill my beer.

comment 79
noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 15.57
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And you still have time to blog, get your priorities .right.
Why write to me on your special day.
I would buy you a drink if I knew where you were!

comment 78
BangkokRay date : 04/07/2009 time : 14.15

noonin,
BBQ, of course. Ribs, steak and beer.

comment 77
noonin date : 04/07/2009 time : 12.12
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Comment 76
Thanks. enjoy your day; how will you celebrate?

comment 76
BangkokRay date : 04/07/2009 time : 10.36

noonin, #71,

Happy July 4th !!

comment 75
Ian date : 03/07/2009 time : 07.52
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Dear Noonin, 71. Atr times it's nice to briefly take a break from politics

Now as ND says, back to business where were we?

Ah yes, populism and marketing stratagies, now this is one area where Thaksin real does have the edge over Abhasit.
Instead of wasting money on his cyber police, bad publicity, he should use the money to hire some PR image marketing types

comment 74
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 21.30

Nd,
Thaksin's populism is very dangerous one unlike the generic term of policy-oriented populism that boosts bearish consumer's market or crops collapse of farmers.
USA had it once because of farmers. They did not have proper transportation for cash crops that was produced enmass due to farming mechanization,
Subsidy started and some local politicians made use of it and they formed the formal, Populists Party, and later it turned to formal, Communist Party in USA. This communists were crushed in 50s and early 60s and illigalized.

Thailand do not want to repeat it.

comment 73
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 21.21

Ps brought 'quadrople idiots', a misterious words and I offered him more compact word,
" The Invalid".

Thaksin should be supposed to be a political invalid but I think he is the most powerful man in this kingdom,
"The valid above the constitution".

comment 72
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 19.54

As though a so-called 'populist' policy can be attributed to a single individual as a personal marketing 'brand'.

This would nmean that no populist policies can be initiate unbless its by thaksin or his nomineees. It is accepted that thaksin did use this strategy to propagandized his regime but he is in no way the owner of this 'brand' which is universal.

He can take staisfaction that he originated it, although for his elfish purposes, but that in no way detracts from the very pertinanet fact that government should focus on the disadvantatage and disaffected not for political purposes but because its the right thing to do.

Happy nn? Back to topic.

comment 71
noonin date : 02/07/2009 time : 17.33
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Comment 70 ,
What has this to do with the original blog?

comment 70
Ian date : 02/07/2009 time : 16.43
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A final comment from me on the differences between English and American.
In England even today there are many regional variation in the way English is spoken, many dialects.
America was mainly settled by people from the West country, Devon and Cornwall, and later the Irish. Canada had many Scottish settlers, Australia had London "Cockney" settlers. Each group of settlers took their regional dialects with them and which have evolved ito the present differences.

comment 69
wch date : 02/07/2009 time : 15.26

My post about 'the invalid' was written in manner of
'Inside out' to Peacefullness as a joke.

I found many wrote about it correctly.

I like to tell those who use this word INVALID (1) frequently, that People who are pretty acquianted with confucious culture, may regard it 'very insultative'.

"You made valid comment" and sort of.
Instead, they express in their own language,
" I think you are very thoughtful (or considerate)".

Interestingly in this Nation and BP, non-western people do not use such rude word, " Your post is valid".

I feel angry and attack them as " The Invalids" (2).
555

comment 68
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 13.09

Ian67, I refer to the different pronunciation between a speaker of Queen's English and that of an American.

Ali, I agree with Ian regarding the usage and meanings of 'invalid' or inVALid and invaLID.

Then therefore respectively:
inVALidated and
invaLIDed.

comment 67
Ian date : 02/07/2009 time : 03.51
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maverick, 62, my use of "you" was an inclusive plural form.
Alien,65. Are you saying that a permanently disabled soldier would be invalidated out of the army? In English when something is invalidated it means it was never truly valid. For example a will.

ND.66. You have me baffled,
"However there are two words that come to mind with the same menaing but read and spoken differently: potato and tomato"
Unless you are talking slang, when a hot potato or a ripe tomato can be used to describe a certain category of woman.

comment 66
notdisappointed date : 02/07/2009 time : 02.29

60, 63, 65 That's great! I'm now finally so relieved that my usage of INvalid was made valid by you guys. Now wch doesn't have to misunderstand vocabulary and language usage and vocalization of different sounds while reading silently and speaking for meaning and intent.

I'll try to use other words with two different sounds and spelling so that we can carry on with our vocabulary course.

However there are two words that come to mind with the same menaing but read and spoken differently: potato and tomato.

comment 65
Alien date : 02/07/2009 time : 00.49
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With all due respect, in the U. S. we pronounce the word for a disabled person as INvalid, for something not valid as inVALid and would not use the word "invalided" but instead would say "inVALidated"

comment 64
happyjack date : 01/07/2009 time : 22.03

A Desert Rat,Thai Style perchance.

comment 63
panya date : 01/07/2009 time : 21.21
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Ian C60

Too true, that escaped me. I stand amended!

nd C61

Apologies, Ian and I were just having a semantic banter

Indeed, your usage was correct and proper, dunno about its intent though....

comment 62
maverick263 date : 01/07/2009 time : 20.55

@ Ian, c.54:

"Maverick, I accept that much of your criticism of western democracy is valid, in fact as a citizen of the West I suspect I could criticise it more effectively than you."

i guess u'd be able to do. & actually i've become tired tired tired... to point only one point --->

"Yet can you say Asian nations are any better, I think at best you could say they are different. "

i haven't said _any time_ they're "better". though it may be i personally prefer some arab-asian cultural expression/manifestation to contemporary western ones... _that_, indeed, is my very humble & fragile choice. or karma.

_BUT_: it's first time i hear from you an acknowledgement ab "difference".

it's just _one_ aspect of my critical perspective on "western culture": the urge to exterminate difference for the establishment of pure truth: be that religious or scientific of just mere market domination.

not to mention... nature, na :-)

*

here's 2:

"You attack the West then reject the best, instead you adopt the worse.
Clean your own house before you call someone elses dirty. "

555, Ian, ... :-)

i don't know whether you know what i'm willing to accept & to allow to grow in that realm we call "consciousness" or "real". maybe also i really just don't care about _ANY KIND OF WORDS OR DISTINCTIONS_ na.

but as said before... i'd prefer to allow & to nourish _difference_.

*

you've played with me when i entered this blog in april. we played ab abhisit. i made my stance. according to shifting realities... you adopted yours. fair game na ;)

here's "You attack the West then reject the best, instead you adopt the worse.
Clean your own house before you call someone elses dirty. call someone elses dirty. "

the west has never been neither my house nor my home. i do reject an arrogance of western superiority. more often than not it reminds me of the inherent forces that leads to breakdowns of systems --- as "rome", or "catholic church", or "(western age of) enlightenment", ... or western sciences western economics western political hegemony western values --- it all goes down the drain.

Ian... give me _ONE_ (JUST ONE!!!) voice in the west who embodies love life spirits --- & who's NOT marginalized nor corrupted nor entrenched? na?

*

come, visit my house, Ian. it's clean, i guess :-)

comment 61
notdisappointed date : 01/07/2009 time : 18.54

Sheesh!

OK guys that was fun; but was my usage of the word, 'invalid' not 'invaLID' and its meaning correct and proper uasge in its intent?

comment 60
Ian date : 01/07/2009 time : 18.05
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Panya,56. Just to confuse our foreign friends further it can also be a transitive verb, "He was invalided out of the army".

comment 59
notdisappointed date : 01/07/2009 time : 17.12

Ian, let Mav have his say since his intent was trying to bash steven(sin) the gonad.

The problem as you rightly stated is that, well let's say for Thailand anyways, we have taken all the worst of the West and made it ours. Too bad we haven't taken the good as well.

comment 58
wch date : 01/07/2009 time : 13.16

To non-Thai readers, I paste from a local daily,

"ในหลวง"รับสั่งตุลาการช่วยชาติร่มเย็น ใครทำไม่ดีต้องกล่าวถึง ศาลทหารต้องยุติธรรม ไม่ทำจะอับอาย

The point is,

" HMK - Judicial branch can help the nation to peace, they can reach out the wrong doers, the court to stay in justice. If neglect, it is a shame."
(little soften translation. Matichon front page,http://www.matichon.co.th/

For a reference, HMK made similar speech in April 2006.
wch

comment 57
happyjack date : 01/07/2009 time : 10.34

As i said,a Talking Gonad.Abhisit caused all the Problems,as any Red Shirted Bribe Taker will tell you.

comment 56
panya date : 01/07/2009 time : 08.41
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Ian C43

If I may clarify your comment about "invalid", when the stress is placed on the 'a', it is an adjective and means not valid. When all syllables are equally (short) stressed, it is a noun and means a disabled person.

I think.

comment 55
panya date : 01/07/2009 time : 08.38
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C41 wrote:

"Operation against Muslim terrorist resulted in Tak Bai and Krue Sae is unavoidable as it is for the greater good of the people and country. Operation against drug barons are good but resulted in some death which is again unavoidable but could have save millions from the suffering of drug"

This is absolute rubbish.

"Thailand is Thaksin home. For the people to bring him home is for the greater good of the people rights and democracy."

And this is just plain stupid.

Presumably, steven, you are one of those people who collect photographs of Imelda Marcos's shoes.

comment 54
Ian date : 01/07/2009 time : 01.17
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Maverick, I accept that much of your criticism of western democracy is valid, in fact as a citizen of the West I suspect I could criticise it more effectively than you. Yet can you say Asian nations are any better, I think at best you could say they are different. Is it better to be hung or to be shot, both result in death? Both cultures seem determined to destroy human rights and freedoms, both cultures are becoming more corrupt and decadent.
Take all the worst aspects of western cultures, the pop scene, moral and sexual decline, the desire for wealth and power at any cost, the disregard for the environment and the future, the decline of traditional values, are not these the very things that Asian cultures are adopting.
You attack the West then reject the best, instead you adopt the worse.
Clean your own house before you call someone elses dirty.

comment 53
maverick263 date : 01/07/2009 time : 00.08

@ steven_, c.46:

"noonin 45, I believed you could find it in the UK and most western democracy"

thx for being as arrogant as well as obscene na ;-)

i guess with "western democracy" you mean to export hunger death & exploitation to less militarized cultures & nations? i guess you mean destruction of bio-diversity for means of some weird mono-bio-culture that's inherently doomed to fail? i guess you mean belief in doctrine that man is nothing but an accident in an utterly wasteland universe? mind stuff that leads to phenomena like...

b) Why America is a bank-owned state

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/06/20096995715625752.html

b) Global finance ignores world's poor
By Aldo Caliari, director of the Rethinking Bretton Woods project

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2009/06/2009623104238576588.html

...

btw, personally, i'd say... why don't you save your own backyard instead of trying to f**k up other people's life? uiiih i forgot... that's the signifcant urge of western drive to save & heal ALL & EVERYTHING under universal rule 555

comment 52
maverick263 date : 30/06/2009 time : 23.54

@ steven_, c.48:

i guess it doesn't matter for one who's able to see truth, personally... but:

"noonin 47, Here you are wrong again. He has broken no law in UK. "

i guess some lawyers in uk see that quite differently. &, as usual w mr. th, we don't speak of the average 500bht...

comment 51
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 21.50

comment 49, what a fool you are. Since Abhisit became PM 6 months ago, do you know how many innocents have been killed by the muslim terrorist. Open you shit head please. Go through the recent media or unless you are blind or plain stupid.

comment 50
notdisappointed date : 30/06/2009 time : 21.46

wch, c36, as all of you can see steven(sin) has once again and in his bold-faced honesty, justified his immorality and lack of integrity by mouthing 'that innocent deaths are warranted for the greater good'. BTW he's not Thai but a wannabe Thai; he actually lives in Penang, Malaysia and has been an unrepentant thaksin lover through thick or thin.

No amout of logic or reason will sway him that his master was imputed for such dishonorable motives and acts of graft and corruption.

steven(sin) is the definition of "โคตรโง่" - kote ngo!

comment 49
happyjack date : 30/06/2009 time : 21.07

Like i said Steven you re a Gonad,and Paid Poster.Abhisit was not the P.M. when Islamic Militants were killing Thais.I would advise no contact with this Clown.A touch of Kant i fear.

comment 48
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 20.38

noonin 47, Here you are wrong again. He has broken no law in UK. Its the Thai Abhisit government that wants his UK visa cancelled so they can nab him back. It too bad that the UK government tried to follow the book too good without much thinking. Thats why you must have some common sense not too much to the book especially in Thailand where the laws are being adhered to.

comment 47
noonin date : 30/06/2009 time : 19.53
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Thaksin is welcome to a free trial in the U.K.
He has already broken U.K laws.
Let him stand trial there.

comment 46
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 19.07

noonin 45, I believed you could find it in the UK and most western democracy

comment 45
noonin date : 30/06/2009 time : 19.01
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Where is a true , unmanaged Democracy?

Only where the same law applies to all.

comment 44
noonin date : 30/06/2009 time : 18.59
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Comment 41
Charge him by the old constitution.
Thaksin does not want a fair trial, he wants an old style Chalerm Duang Trial.

comment 43
Ian date : 30/06/2009 time : 18.55
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Just a minor comment, I can't be bothered with the standard slanging match. The word "invalid" if pronounced as written mean not valid, however if the last vowel is extended when spoken so it sounds like "invaleed", it mean someone sick or infirm.

comment 42
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 18.54

Lawrence of Arabia cannot protect Thaksin. Only the people given their democractic rights under a true ( not managed) democracy can protect him and the people.

comment 41
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 18.51

Noonin, To charge Thaksin under circumstances prior to the coup is normal and all alright, To charge him by abrogating the old Constitution and judiciary with a new Constitution and rules are wrong.

WCH : Wrong, If a politician does good to the people, some corruption can be tolerable"
" Thaksin may be forgiven ". It is also wrong if politicians or the military break the law and Constitution ( that is staging a coup) and make new rules and constitution to nap corruptible politicians.

Happy jack, I write what I write not being paid whatsoever but for the greater good of the people and country. Not disappointed do not really understand morality or standard of governance. Take for example the South where thousand of innocents have been killed when Abhisit took over the government. Operation against Muslim terrorist resulted in Tak Bai and Krue Sae is unavoidable as it is for the greater good of the people and country. Operation against drug barons are good but resulted in some death which is again unavoidable but could have save millions from the suffering of drug. Example if several thousand Nazi or their leaders like Hitler have been killed, there might have been no holocaust or the second world war which resulted in 22 million being killed.

Thailand is Thaksin home. For the people to bring him home is for the greater good of the people rights and democracy. The polls and by election shows that the people still cherish for him It also show that they wants their democratic rights which has been taken away when the coup happen.

comment 40
noonin date : 30/06/2009 time : 17.54
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comment 36 wch
I agree with you.

comment 39
peacefulness date : 30/06/2009 time : 17.31
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wch c31-- quadruple idiots in thai "โคตรโง่, โง่ทั้งโคตร" ,kote ngo, ngo tang kote.

hahahaha...........

comment 38
expresso date : 30/06/2009 time : 17.29
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Bang the obvious but succumb to the non-obvious seems the fashion of the day!

comment 37
expresso date : 30/06/2009 time : 17.24
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massein, c27, "Mr T is like a vampire and will never die. I convince that he will soon return to rule Thailand."

massein, I agree with you in view of some apologists who seem not to have seen some farangs who are hell-bend in reinstating the demon who have put up a mask. Why? Oh...the guy or guys debate and knowledgeable.

comment 36
wch date : 30/06/2009 time : 15.33

"Common Mentality" of common Thais seems to be a topic, in this blog if not all through town via media today.
" If a politician does good to the people, some corruption can be tolerable"
" Thaksin may be forgiven ".
This reflects the fabrics of the mind of Thai people.

The mind is a synthesis of the body, the soul and the self. The mind moves within the triangle drawn by each being a point. If the self orders the soul to use rationale such as law to be observed when make decision, it may undermine the body that express outerly and other person may know the self and the soul and criticize both.
This is against the synthesis ie, MIND.

In fact this state of mind of common Thai easily accommodates alien body, say foreigners visiting. Foreigner feels hospitality instead. Uncertain position of mind makes aliens feel friendly.

If observe microscopically this blog site, two alien 'minds' collides always. Each mind has different culture background. Christian-cultured one may feel more comfortable when law is served. Confucious-cultured one may try to observe the attitude and the circumstance toward family and society.
Thai poeple may resort to the condition, 'everyone is okay', or 'anything is possible', - the comfort zone,say 'mai pen rai'.

ps. To Al, This is a sort of political culture of common Thais as well.

comment 35
notdisappointed date : 30/06/2009 time : 15.02

Hap, of course it's the same steven(sin) as on the nation poll. His inanites are easy to spot.

I'm glad that he's been spotted by you also. He's also trying to infect this forum with his mindless one-sided gonad rants.

comment 34
notdisappointed date : 30/06/2009 time : 14.58

wch, my friend, I have no problem with your English per se and only use it to lighten and make jokes about it. If that upsets you then let me now and I'll not do so again.

You are correct in your 'accepted' definition of 'invalid' as pertains to an old person. However I wanted to be different by my using the term 'invalid' which is also the opposite of 'valid' or 'validity' of the fact that MPs and senator's status was made 'invalid' by the EC. I think that it is a proper though less used form of the word. I can use another word of your preference, if you wish.

comment 33
happyjack date : 30/06/2009 time : 15.47

Beware of Steven,if its the same one who posts in the Vote Section,he has the Wit and Wisdom of a Gonad.Hes a Major Advocate of Vote Buying.Also a Paid Poster.

comment 32
noonin date : 30/06/2009 time : 15.39
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/noonin

I thought Thaksin went to China to view the Olympics and decided of his own free will not to return to Thailand to defend himself against charges made against him.
Is this being "booted out'.
Or do you mean the coup booted him out?
Either way he was free to defend himself.No one has banned him from his homeland.
He is banned from some countries for being a criminal on the run.
I am sure if I was charged with serious offences in Thailand , the powers that be would allow me to visit my friends in England while out on bail!
As to suffering in the desert, that is laughable.

comment 31
wch date : 30/06/2009 time : 15.08

Ps,
I never heard of 'Quadrople Idiots'.
Master Ian is needed here.
I used once, 'The Invalid' but I found this word was wrongly understood as a discriminatory or a derogatory as the 'almost-useless person' such as too old one who can barely holds spoon, needless to say about toilet trip.

In fact, I found many bloggers like to score other's writing as 'intelligible' or ' unintelligible' or 'valid' or 'invalid'.
So I grouped those posting invalid ideas so often as

" The Invalid".

However I use this word selectively by client.
If one is a Thai, I use this word because they are pretty excellent to understand this word correctly.

comment 30
peacefulness date : 30/06/2009 time : 13.20
nationmultimedia.com

wch--- my friend, there are not only idiots but also double idiots, triple idiots, quadruple idiots........in the nation blog site, most of them are "WHITES".....

comment28 i heard that too, but "lai teo bin", many flts.

comment 29
notdisappointed date : 30/06/2009 time : 13.13

steven(sin) c26, there you go again your fictionalization; making something out of nothing. The poll was about corruption not about the ouster of thaksin. You like to manipulate facts to justify your loyalty and support of thakisn by making up half truths and true lies.

The poll showed no such thing, only that the people childishly and immaturely accept corruption as a way of life in politics. This is the form of democracy you want from a thasinocracy? If by this standard you say the people want him back then your ideals and moral standards are left wanting. No wonder you can accept the innocents deaths of thousands during thaksin’s war on drugs, Tak Bai, and Krue Sai. You have no morality and integrity. You brand of thinking and acceptance of ‘bad practices’ in governance, is what will see Thailand falter even further in our quest towards true democracy. Corruption is not acceptable in any way, shape or form.

bobby, you also have made a leap of logic by saying that the press demonizes thaksin for his ‘uplifiting’ of the poor. You also have conveniently forgotten the many instances and recorded/documented of his integrated graft and corruption, his human rights abuses, his intimidation through lawsuits of his detractors, his muzzling and intimidation of the media (which Yuri also forgotten regarding Yoon’s family) and etc.

All of you should join in with Maxwell in screeching the chorus of:

It’s the coup!!

It’s the coup!!

It’s the coup!!

comment 28
wch date : 30/06/2009 time : 12.35

AV again confirmed, in midday interview today,

" His amnesty depends on the (director) of the department of prison" (of ministry of justice).

Hello, Steven,
Mr. Thaksin is indeed wise, how did he know the 'booted-out' as he had earlier packed all the money oversea. Even his ex-wife packed 50 large bags on her private airplane to Singapore on the eve of the Boot Day.

comment 27
massein date : 30/06/2009 time : 11.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/massein

Mr T is like a vampire and will never die. I convince
that he will soon return to rule Thailand. Howevery since there is no blood left he will have to be content with marrow

comment 26
Steven_ date : 30/06/2009 time : 09.40

Country road, take me home to the place I belong, Thailand !!
Yes that’s where he belongs to.
Thaksin was booted out in an ILLEGAL MILITARY COUP under the guise of the royalist.
He was booted out AGAINST THE WISHES of the people.
He was booted out to face a CONSTITUTION AND JUDICIARY ABROGATED and ILLEGALLY CHANGED under the guise of the military.
The poll shows that the people are against the military and the military back Abhisit government.
The poll shows that people wanted him back.
Yes it should be the people not the military that should decides his coming back.
Yes it should be the people not the puppet government that should decides his coming back.
YES IT SHOULD BE THE 1997 PEOPLES` CONSTITUTION THAT MUST DECIDES THE PEOPLE WISHES.

comment 25
wch date : 30/06/2009 time : 08.23

Kingdom of Rumor Millers

I took this essay from the front page and let me anatomize it.
*
Despite being regarded as weird, reports saying the ruling Democrat Party was inviting ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra's Pheu Thai Party to join a coalition government are not totally groundless.
*
1. Not-totally-groundless is true but unbaked, and forgotten.
It is the brain child of Gen. Chavalit Yongchaiyut's, an ally of Thaksin. Not only this time, he repeated this several times in the past. His theory was again written in Matichon where 3 men were on debate who were Dr. Aneck and another ex-chairman of lower house.
2. This, General's idea was repeatedly refused by AV in the past because two parties have different 'Udomgarn',
simply the political gene is different, more simply, a human being can not live in the swine pen.

3. AV same time repeated and keeps repeating, " The house must be dissolved to form a new government and when the time is ripen, I will do it", " If I do it now, they will kill each other" (I can not become the cause of the murder).
" If any party win and can form the government, I and the democrats will be pleased to be the opposition and we will do our duty".

comments :
It is AV that is the most fearful figure in today's Thailand. He keep the faith of parliamentarism that must have the ruling and the opposite. To the one that only keeps textbook, holding principle, dying to hold law, no one can challenge. All must play in his principle and his rule, the court, EC commission, all the MP, all the military, officialdoms, and most importantly, the population, are not exception.
They must observe the law, or their life will become like Thaksin's.
Juridicial tradition of Thailand is painful. Once targeted, they will ferment the target in the filthy pit through life. They keep the suspect on loose but in torturous mode, slowly and steadily roping and consumes whole life.
Amnesty to Thaksin ? the looses are not short, 28 knots are out there, he must jump all of them. Neverthless successfuly, another 29th is placed. It must be Thaksin himself as ex-police officer that knows more than anyone else.
This is Thailand.
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PS.
Kingdom of Rice-Millers will follow if anyone open rice blog again.

comment 24
peacefulness date : 29/06/2009 time : 22.20
nationmultimedia.com

peter o'toole at the age of 77 is too fragile and weak to protect ths square face to survive in the desert. hahahahahahahaa............another imbecile hermanolobo.

pics, peter o'toole 02aug1932----- at the age of 77.

the night of the general / lawrence of arabia , very good movie, i watched twice.

comment 23
Hermano_Lobo date : 29/06/2009 time : 19.34
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

I have contracted 'Lawrence of Arabia' to protect Thaksin Shinawatra.

comment 22
Hermano_Lobo date : 29/06/2009 time : 19.32
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

bobby-

WELL SAID !

comment 21
bobby date : 29/06/2009 time : 17.18
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/william

True unbiased Journalism in Thailand is dead and has been for years. The hatred you elite media have for Mr Thaksin knows no bounds. It is so good your influence is not even as strong as the inept Democrats and that is really saying something. You abused Mr Thaksin for keeping election promises and lifting up the living standards of the poor in the North. But what have you said about the inept Democrats who have done nothing to lift the living standards of the poor who live in the slums of Bangkok. And these poor misguided souls a were supporters of the Democrats. The Democrats have been in charge at the local level for 6 years and the National for one and have not done one thing for their supporters and also down South they have let their supporters down terribly as the insurgency is getting worse but not one word from the even more inept media. No wonder this wonderful country has gone backwards so far in the eyes of the world since Mr Thaksin has left the scene. If they will or are incapable of looking after their supporters heaven can only help Thailand.

comment 20
bobby date : 29/06/2009 time : 17.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/william

Thai journalism is dead and it is proof that Mr Thaksin did uplift the living standards of the poor of the north. What has the Democrats done for the poor who live in the slums of Bangkok. They have controlled local politics now for 6 years and one nationally and done nothing for their own supporters so why would that look after other Thai's Newin and his friends are finished along with the Democrat party.

comment 19
bobby date : 29/06/2009 time : 17.09
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/william

comment 18
Ian date : 29/06/2009 time : 16.42
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

This blog has split into two themes, Thaksin, and the poll on the acceptability of corruption, although in a sense they are linked.
The two by-elections I see more as revenge on Newin's betrayal rather than a win by Thaksin, I supect he feels the same and keeping a calm profile.
The evidence of corruption amongst the coalition MPs is playing into his hands. It is saying to everyone that if Thaksin was corrupt, then so are most other MPs. Thaksin by doing nothing, giving no excuse for the government to attack him, becomes stronger simply because the government becomes weaker.
The pendulum is starting to swing, he must worry that if he calls a GE to late it may have swung too far, yet if he calls it too soon he may lose the chance to push through his schemes.
The chess game is getting interesting

comment 17
panya date : 29/06/2009 time : 15.01
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/diversion

nd

"That's why the present constitution was written in the way it was; to set some rules and stabndards for our politicians."

Yes, and that's why the politicians are going to change it, and it seems there is nothing an average Thai citizen can do about it, which is why they're resigned to accepting a corrupt government.

Back to square one.

It's so depressing.

comment 16
notdisappointed date : 29/06/2009 time : 13.47

Panya, 14, I was shaking my head in disbelief and disappointment regarding that poll. And that's where we, as a people stand. As long as it moves the country forward it's alright if there is graft and corruption. NO, IT'S NOT ALRIGHT!

It's alright because it doesn't affect me is their selfish excuse to overlook the problem. Just by this abdication of any civil and societal responsibility do we Thais foster the likes of newin, thaksin, chalerm, suthep, banharn, suwat, somsak and etc. and the merry-go-round of deceit and mass manipulation by our politicians.
That's why the present constitution was written in the way it was; to set some rules and stabndards for our politicians.

comment 15
panya date : 29/06/2009 time : 14.32
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/diversion

massein C6

The Dubai officlals said they didn't mind him being there as long as he didn't engage in political agitation from their country.

Perhaps the Thai government should take them up on it.

comment 14
panya date : 29/06/2009 time : 14.29
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Ian C5

Agreed, it applies to all of them though none of them have perfected the art of deceit to the extent he has. If they did something about Newin doing what he was banned from doing, they would be able to do the same to Thaksin who is also banned, but as long as they leave Newin alone, they can't really object to Thaksin's involvement with the Red Shirts. Maybe they just don't know what to do about Newin as he will carry on regardless, making a mockery of the judicial system which is trying so hard to establish some credibility after it was fisted by Thaksin on so many occasions. It's laughable.

You no doubt saw the poll results yesterday indicating that the general public are happy with a corrupt government as long as it means they are more prosperous. More evidence of an inability to think. Maybe this is a reason nothing changes, because everybody justifies it if it suits them, and that generally applies to all corruption in this country.

comment 13
notdisappointed date : 29/06/2009 time : 12.21

Hap, c7, poetry from you I'm impressed.

Ian, it just goes back to our prior discussions which was proven, with much relief, during red rally over the weekend. The highlight being thaksin's rather underwhelming rethoric as against his past fiery angst. If he remains a 'good boy', things might just work out in his favor and he might ot have to suffer under the hot mid-day sun where only dogs and Englishmen go out in!

maxwell:

IT'S THE COUP!!

IT'S THE COUP!!

IT'S THE COUP!!

comment 12
wch date : 29/06/2009 time : 10.21

"The joy over his party's victories in the by-elections in Sakhon Nakhon last Sunday and in Si Sa Ket today will prove short-lived. The drawn-out battle has just begun. "
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
This picture,
Bangkok's PICTURE that Thaksin party won over Newin Party (Sakorn) and Banharn Party (Sisaket)
are funny, grossly paintbrusshed that no nose man could get farang's lofty nose.
Knowing this, Thaksins are fanning "It is authentic picture in that Mr. Thaksin is never nobody but the center piece".
For next couple of days, many more journalists and academics will write essays in that they will empty all shabby knowledges and childish imaginations to demonstrate how intelligent they are.
Who were in the districts to find the fact ?. or, Is there any 'Top-Mouth in media' ever visited in the isan, eat together, sleep together to feel the heart of the poor ? Only Thaksin did it, although just a night, at a small village in Roi Et. Thaksin has large villa in Kalasin city but he never slept in it.

That is simply stupid things. Never right, never can nail to the brain butter.

Let me tell you guys, 'The regional voters simply followed 'own democratic rule' that, this time S is his turn because the last was N's turn. N and S families, the local patrons had alternated MP seat so far. In the past they killed the cavassers who monopolized group votes and betrayed in-between. This day they don't kill. They found own style democracy - 'Shifting System' between two patrons who always fairly pay out to the voters. (Maybe somebody will killed sooner or later, Let me bet on this !)

If really, the local people had chosen a party against other parties who are hated by betrayal as Thaksin accused,
there is no need of political reform or anything else in Thailand because Thai people, the rural people are already fully 'democratized'. Charlem and his goons just stayed in election district as if the victory is their efforts.
They came there for a 'picture'. They are deeply degradated in backdrop of having not a slightest chance in politics again in their future.

Two district elections are for AV to consolidate his government and the parliament of the majority of coalition MPs. The minor coalition parties will behave like well-tamed dogs. They have to hang on AV. Thaksins will project the 'effective pictures' that look like hunting down the 'torayot' - betrayals, Newin, Banharn now, then Suvit, Pradit, Suwat,.... This is simply a paint brushed picture. In his future without this small patrons, his party will be unable to syndicate the majority of MPs to guarantee his return.(only in the case of the military admit it).

Share-bought MPs must be dismissed and their by-elections must continue, not 25 but all 80 MPs' districts (there is a signal to reduce down only to 25 MPs). This by-election must take place in all the districts scattered in all the regions of the Central, the east, the south, the north and the isan. This is real General Election. Every district byelection must be seen big in TV screen. Make them excited under pan-national spot rights. This will teach them what the voter is.
Through this process, the red will kick out 'Yoke and Rein' of Thaksin and his goons - nopochor and reshape as a
pure civil movement. They must kick out the" Immortal Officialdom" who profiteered handsomely in the gap between corrupted politicians and the illiterate rural voters. They built too strong castle to be breakable, in which they enjoyed the nobility. This nobility is the real road rocks to stop the democratization parade of Thailand. They must be hammered out.

PAD never took the Red as an enemy. They are ready to receive the Red, the pure force of civil movement. PAD is ready to share the roles with the red by sharing target group of people classes. If PAD work over the city dwellers in provincial city, the red will work the non-city dwellers in chonabot - the rural farmers and labourers' districts. PAD wait until the Red kick out Nopochor and Thaksin.

Thaksin has no chance to become PM again, at best he can recover a small part of forfeited asset. To do this, he must fight until die. For this, Does the red endure salty sweat and mosquito in hostile Bangkok street ?

comment 11
wch date : 29/06/2009 time : 10.20

In Dubai, I never saw the desert. Where is it ?

comment 10
Ian date : 29/06/2009 time : 05.25
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Alien, do you remember the saying, "give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach how to fish he will eat every day".
Figuratively speaking poor Thais don't know how to fish (manage money), just giving them handout as Abhasit did recently just show how little Abhasit and his backers understand poverty.
Thaksin for all his faults does seem to understand the way poor people think. This is one of the reasons they support him.

comment 9
Alien date : 29/06/2009 time : 01.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/alien

If Thaksin really wanted to help the poor of Thailand, he could send some money through the Red Cross or some other charitable agency. i can't believe he hasn't thought of this yet!

comment 8
happyjack date : 28/06/2009 time : 23.28

N.D. i do think your reference to Thaksins features a Tad Juvenile.Can you leave that type of comment for Peace full,whatever his name is.

comment 7
happyjack date : 28/06/2009 time : 23.21

It was Friday Night in the Desert. They were putting the Camels to Bed . While this Thai Man sat on a Sand Dune,
Scratching the back of his Head.

comment 6
massein date : 28/06/2009 time : 22.52
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/massein

Interesting since dubai had told the gov that he wasn't there

comment 5
Ian date : 28/06/2009 time : 22.24
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

Panya, you wrote, "How can people still not see through his pitiful and hypocritical rhetoric? The deceit, the deceit ......."
Because Thai people have never been taught to think, your statement applies to just about every politician past and present. It applies to Newin, Samak, Abhasit, they are where thay are or were simply because Thais do not think.
Newin I find unbelievable, how can someone banned from politics be accepted by everyone as a major player, yet Thais take this in their stride.
To understand Thai politics one needs a degree in psychology not politics.

comment 4
MaxHeadroom date : 28/06/2009 time : 22.04
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/maxheadroom

Nice graphic Yoon - propaganda with an innovative - even mystical touch.

Anyway even if I don't like Thaksin - where's the standard on a ethical level in all of this? This can't be the top of socially responsible journalism in the 21st century right?

It's easy to make fun of political foes yet what if someone sent you to the desert? What would you think about somebody making laughs about that?

Current Thai journalism is lacking style, attitude and objectivity. It has all succumbed to opinions, flares and open outbursts of hatred and discrimination. And it has a lot of profitable cowardice where the hordes of the weak keep stepping on their opponents as they lie on the floor or throw stones down from a safe height to people walking down in the street.

N glory here I guess.

I mean the standard and level of everything is sub zero. Is that what personal hatred and Thai introversion has done to our society?

I think what you are doing is hardly a contribution to getting things back on track or starting a dialog or fact finding or a sensual debate.

comment 3
panya date : 28/06/2009 time : 22.03
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/diversion

I doubt the royal pardon, but I wouldn't rule out the amnesty. Why does he insist on seeking a pardon when he claims he has done nothing wrong - isn't this a contradicition even in the Thai language?

He has forgotten that he is actually free to come 'home' any time he chooses to behave like any other person and face his charges under a legal system he continues to use if he believes it will suit him.

"help poor Thais to be relieved of their debts" - good of him to admit his populist policies (I'll give you money for a phone so you can buy my phone-cards etc) were only a short term solution, and that the debt situation is as bad as ever. Maybe their debts would be less if he hadn't stolen so much money.

How can people still not see through his pitiful and hypocritical rhetoric? The deceit, the deceit .......

comment 2
Ian date : 28/06/2009 time : 21.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

ND, you are forgetting the game behind the game, unnatural alliances are becoming increasingly common in Thailand, nothing is impossible and the untninkable can become probable.

comment 1
notdisappointed date : 28/06/2009 time : 20.09

That sq face liar will have to wait until the desert blooms before he is given amnesty and/or a Royal pardon.

But in the meantime his patience will wither further under the hot sun so that he'll once again have to make one final last throw of the dice in a do-or-die action to force the issue.

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