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Thursday , May 14 , 2009
The PADs dilemma: Is it time to party or not?
Posted by Yoon , Reader : 1009 , 05:37:38  
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THE People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) has arrived at a crucial crossroads: Should it turn into a political party - or should it continue to expand its influence as one of the country's leading pressure groups?

The PAD's five core leaders aren't exactly split right down the middle on the issue. But it's a dilemma of crucial proportions.

On the one hand, whatever the outcome of the treacherous process of arriving at a consensus, the PAD could face a serious rupture. But then, without a clear direction for the future, the yellow shirts could begin to lose political clout in the face of challenges posed by new, unidentified and complex political forces.

The PAD plans to hold a brainstorming session from May 24-25 to thrash out its do-or-die strategy. Each of the 76 provinces will be represented by ten PAD members. With a strong panel from headquarters numbering 100 or so personnel, the general assembly of about 1,000 activists will plot the grouping's critical next step.

The PAD's chief coordinator, Suriyasai Katasila, in a rare admission, said the proposed formation of a yellow-shirt political party had divided the movement.

"I have been asked whether we have finally decided to pursue political power instead of serving as a pressure group to educate and instigate for change in Thailand," he told a huge yellow-shirt crowd at last Saturday's "political concert" held in the southern commercial city of Hat Yai.

"I have also been told we won't be able to achieve our aim of new politics unless we turn ourselves into a political party to run in the election, so that we can have a decisive say in the national political process," he added.

Others have told Suriyasai that the PAD should devote less time and energy to Thaksin - and should instead concentrate on rebuilding the nation under their formula of "new politics".

That issue, too, represents the other dilemma facing the PAD: Is the movement all about getting rid of the former premier and the so-called "Thaksin regime?" Can the PAD really step away from what has been described as its obsession with Thaksin?

Some PAD leaders want to turn the group into a political party to raise the bar on its struggle to change the country's political structure. Public rallies and civil disobedience are only the first steps towards achieving that goal.

But even within the ranks of the PAD's leadership, there is a deep suspicion about being tainted with "political ambition". To keep the people's movement pure and virtuous, they argue, the PAD must remain a pressure group that keeps a clear and proper distance from electoral politics.

There is also the "third way" out of this Catch-22 situation. Some senior PAD members have floated the idea of a compromise: Let the main river flow into two branches, one morphing into a political party with the other maintaining the status of a popular movement.

That may sound like a typical happy medium. But the inherent danger is that such a halfway solution is no solution at all. In fact, there is a serious risk, if that proposal was to be taken up, that both the PAD party and the PAD pressure group would become equally wobbly and ineffectual and end up losing everything that represented the movement's original recipe of success.

When all is said and done, however, the final decision will rest with the five PAD leaders. They can't afford to split up and move the PAD in two different directions.

They even have a name for the new party: Prachabhiwat ("People's Reform"). But despite all the hoopla about the need to institutionalise the popular movement, my own analysis comes down to this:

The new party is too risky. The "middle way" is too divisive. The outcome of the brainstorming session will most likely end up with the "relaunching" of the PAD as a more pragmatic, conventional and result-oriented organisation.It's what you may call the PAD Part II, Chapter One.


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comment 16
Ian date : 16/05/2009 time : 10.49
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch, 15. "Running own business needs certain degree of intelligence that is hardly found from general population of farmers."
Intelligence or education, I think it needs both, to run any business one needs basic skills in writing and arithmetic, to be able to plan and make realistic forcasts. The biggest problem I see with most family businesses amongst poor people is they have absolutely no idea of the need for reinvestment in the business.
comment 15
wch date : 16/05/2009 time : 03.49

c13, 14

Good point.

Imbalance in income distribution in Thailand and other south east Asian nations is indeed social problem.
Earlier PM Prem tried to solve it by industrialization that can absorb agri-sector population (young generation).
It is general technique to relieve income gap among the population. Reducing agri-sector population is still main solution to many developing, developed nations. The remarkable GDP per capita growth of Thailand attributed much to this problem.
In other hand, PM Thaksin wanted 'Jump Start' in agri-sector, by cash injection - tax money that was supposed to be seed money for farmers to start off own self-employing enterprise. This is so called, OTOP with Village Fund.

Here the literacy became the matter. Picking off some vocables does not mean literacy. Running own business needs certain degree of intelligence that is hardly found from general population of farmers.
Thaksin's populism inspired this 'Rural Bull Dogs', who are now organized and dash off, bite and gore any target in their sights.

Income distribution must depart from population re-distribution. Population re-distribution must aim at the second generation of target population and Thailand is on successful course. In rural village, young generation quickly leave home to urban to get job in manufacturing and service industries.

In fact, Netapit's figure was wrong. Thailand GNP per capita of 2008 was abt 3,900 dollars out of abt 2.5 trillion GDP and 63 m population (policy maker take GNP per capita as macro economy index rather than GDP per capita. Both are little different. In fact, this index is controversial. If local baht is appreicated from 35 to 30, dollor term will jump up to 4,400 dollars. Therefore IMF insist to use SDR as fixed base to measure every nation index that provides more correct and comparable scale).

The reason I used 7000 dollars is, soon-to-be though, to imply the CHANGE of society, so people first must change.

American English uses Bull to big, fierce male dogs instead of sire.
If kow-towed one is Thaksin in the photo, the photo should be politically correct.
comment 14
notdisappointed date : 15/05/2009 time : 22.34

Ian that's why I seriously, not jokingly as br has done, question the 'per capita' and 'literacy' of the Thai people as a whole.

All that per capita is with the top 10+% of the population. And the literacy rate must surely be based at beat, on those under 30 years of age to get it so high.
comment 13
Ian date : 15/05/2009 time : 20.52
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

A Rottweiler 'bull' ? Does it bite or gore intruders?
Is GDP based on the average or the 'mean'?
Whichever, my village must be sitting on the extreme left slope of the distribution curve. The curve itself must have an extreme right sloping skew to produce such a result.
If literacy is defined as being able to sign one's name and read comic books then I can accept a 90% figure.
comment 12
wch date : 15/05/2009 time : 15.24

In the past upcountry I raised a pair of Rotweiller, same one in photo under.
The bull is always hungry and ask for dinner (I fed breakfast only) while the bitch kept alert over night.
The bull had good sleep over night in other hand.

I treated both in the fairness and the equality.
I gave rich soup and meat of pork feet steamed with rice to the bitch and rice leftover with some curry broth to the bull.

There are several bloggers whose clock is simply stopped without ticking and generally their sensitivity is fixed at a point of time.

I dont trust the excellance of memorizing something is not a part of IQ. But if it is, IQ is indeed the matter.

netapit's blog
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/netnapit/2009/04/02/entry-1

Population: 6.7 billion,



GDP: $70.65 trillion,


GDP per capita: $9,774,


People paid below $2 dollars a day: 3.25 billion,


Millionaires: 9 million,


Billionaires: 1,125.


World growth rate is about 5%.


For the sake of Thai readers, Thailand’s GDP is $519 billion, Per Capita (average income per person) is $7,915, and they say our economy is going to grow at about 3% this 2009. For comparison, the GDP of USA is 14 trillion, and GDP of China is 3 trillion. Mexico’s is 1.3 trillion, Indonesia’s is $432 billion, and India’s is 2.9 trillion.

I dont know if her bird eyes are convex or concave lens but I remember this figure with awe.
My memory ability is still intact.

Anyone who is interested in such figures, try to find more at IMF, World Bank or even Thai BOT, or MOF display them readily.
comment 11
notdisappointed date : 15/05/2009 time : 13.18

br I know that we will be fast friends! Love the tumor emanating from your brian.

You friend who gave you the bike; did he also include wheels for it too? Your other friend on the left must have been jealous and asked for one too; but apologies were made as there were only bike wheels left.
comment 10
BangkokRay date : 15/05/2009 time : 11.40

nd, #7,
The one on the left already GAVE me a bicycle.
comment 9
BangkokRay date : 15/05/2009 time : 11.37

it would seem that literacy does not imply common sense whatsoever

nd, #6, Truer words have never been spoken. Very ironic that they came from you. HaHaHa
comment 8
BangkokRay date : 15/05/2009 time : 11.32

Ian, #5,
Think wch was referring to figures compiled from the second half of 2008. The PAD had a steady income. Add free lodging and food and his figure makes sense. They must have brought tutors to GH, thus two semesters of education(the 10% deficiency was because the guards couldn't attend school).
So, you see he has a point there. However, the figures for the first half of 2009 will show a significant decrease.
comment 7
notdisappointed date : 15/05/2009 time : 04.49


which of these two would you by a bicycle from br?
comment 6
notdisappointed date : 15/05/2009 time : 04.06

Ian c.5. I can't believe that GNP per capita is that much; really strange. It must be a national average. If we look at the per capita by region and province I bet a different story will emerge.

As to literacy, I'm also skeptical becuase it would seem that literacy does not imply common sense whatsoever.
comment 5
Ian date : 14/05/2009 time : 20.16
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch, "GDP per capita from 800 to 7000 dollars, Literacy rate is more than 90%.
Thailand is advancing into an affluent middle class society."
Where do you live?!!
comment 4
wch date : 14/05/2009 time : 16.24

Thailand is in fast transition society.
People has more access to information. GDP per capita from 800 to 7000 dollars, Literacy rate is more than 90%.
Thailand is advancing into an affluent middle class society.
Therefore Thailand must change, whole and every individual.
PAD movement is the largest, broadest movement in history. Therefore they can propose new value to society and they can initiate the power of CHANGE.

PAD activity must be expanded to serve the change.
but the main stream must remain as power of people's movement (srimuang, chamlong).

Sondhi must organize good willed people to form fund that support the activity.

Suriyasai must run a political arm, a political party. Without participating in the reality of politicking, PAD can demonstrate what the NEW POLITICS is, that is fit to new changing society, that lift up people to advanced level.

PAD party can ideolize 'Tharma Democracy with monarchiac system' in contention of the democrat's 'liberal democracy with monarchiac system'.

PAD can run own VIGILANTE team (ex-guards) who protect their members in every activity.

General people movement only can change whole society. Thailand is too much degraded through the brief Thaksin era.
comment 3
BangkokRay date : 14/05/2009 time : 13.21

Would you buy a used car from any the the clowns pictured in this blog.
How about a used bicycle? Cup of coffee.............
comment 2
Khabom date : 14/05/2009 time : 13.11

roofgarden,

I agree wholeheartedly with your post.
comment 1
roofgarden date : 14/05/2009 time : 11.11
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/roofgarden

PAD has been out of track so far since the airport aggression that trew away majority supporter from the blind direction. Political party is seem to crazy and absolutely failure for 100%.

How different between Yellow and Red from the reality?

- They both have a lair and corrupted leader
Sonthi is also sully if we considered his background no different from Thaksin, maybe a bit less in amount total corrupted. Jatuporn, Jakkapop, Vira are starve for money and power.

- They both outlaw by several actions even tring to claimed in the different way via media propaganda, 10 years old boy can see what manipulated they are. Airport / Government House / Asian summit in Pattaya / Songkran unrest in Bangkok and too many to remember.

- They both claimed, their sacrify for our country that's totally lair especially for both side leaders.

For both Yellow and Red, when will you realize that mostly of you is a puppet. I completely respect your ideology but please stop burning our home (your home, my home, your dad home, your mom home, your neigbor home, your future son home = our country) by violation.
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