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Click to watch Suthichai Yoon's take on Monday's renewed talks between Thailand and Cambodia in Seam Reap. With the election over in Cambodia and the appointment of career diplomat as the new Thai foreign minister, the new round of discussion over Phra Viharn should offer new hope of some positive move.

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comment 12 Plaadip date : 03/08/2008 time : 18.40

What is your response of the Nation to the aricle of your rival newpaper? Cambodia starts squabble over second temple http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=129258

comment 11 Plaadip date : 01/08/2008 time : 12.11

Thanks wch. But actually The prosecutors have beein in constant meddling of the politicians. They sometimes won them and sometimes lost them.In 1950s there was a famous political schandal called, "the Shipbuiding Bribery Case", in which a lot of politicians and ministers of the ruling party(then Leberal party)were being targeted.Justice Minsiter resorted to his authority to direct the public prosecutor general to stop the investigations. The justice minister Inukai was forced to resign becasue of severe criticisims from public and finally the government resigned en masse. One of the politicians saved their political life by the Justice Minsiter's decision was Eisaku SATO, who later became Prime Ministar who longest served the post in Japanese political history. The Japanese prosecutros has the same right as Thai's to fullfill their duties more independently than other civil officers but within a limit. And they tend to win against political pressure when there are strong public supports for them.

comment 10 wch date : 31/07/2008 time : 11.33

Plaadip, Japanese prosecution agency has its own tradition to enjoy the independance out of the influence of the cabinet or the politicians but in Thailand it has been used as a political tool. The weakness is the powerful prime minister hold invisible influence in appointing or dismissing them. Due to this tradition, there was a neccessity to have a real independant investigation and prosecution agency, but only against such powerful political office holders. They are the, now defunct AEC and remained, NCCC. There has been historic confrontation between Thammasat sector and Chulalongkorn sector in the law school and judiciary bodies. This handful ofpeople are also divided in European law sector and US law sector as two laws has different motivations and precedents. Also are local sector vs foreign study sector. "Kangaroo court judges and prosecutors" (I personally named them like this, importing the old wildwest American culture) having been appointed by Thaksin were expelled by 2006 coup. These people now work for Thaksin and do the utmost effort to find loophole in law book for him. The strange interpretation of Doctor Surapong's, not to quit, is the learned one from Thaksin lawyor's style. " If there is no penal clause, not illegal but illegal" this is funny interpretation of the laws in today's Thailand. The prosecutor can not defend the ex-cabinet members but they are obliged to appoint the state-defendant lawyor for the ex-cabinet members, if is requested, because the case now falls into the criminal court in the case of the embazzlement of public money. Soon they will correct them in this way,,,

comment 9 Plaadip date : 30/07/2008 time : 12.05

sorry, The prosecutor's office is an independent organization according to its constitution. Sorry for my future misspelling, too.

comment 8 Plaadip date : 30/07/2008 time : 11.55

Thanks, wch. Today the prosecuter's spokesman said, " I suspect that the prosecutor's office should be under the control of the cabinet", responding to the government's request to make a defense for the former TRT politicians and some of their cabinet members. This is not a case of the adiministarative court in which the adminisitrative body is the defendent, but the corruption case in which all the cabinet members happened to be defendants. Can the prosecuter work for the individuals as the protector of the public interests? Beside, technically the prosecutors in Japan is under the supervison of the Justise Minister. But in Thailand, I hear that the Prosechtor's is an independent organization according to its Constitution. So I don't understand what the spokesman said in that sense, too.

comment 7 wch date : 30/07/2008 time : 10.03

Plaadip, In fact, AEC and NCCC were established by own executive laws in direct conformity with the constitution and both hold same right of prosecution as much as the chief of the prosecution office under ministry of justice. In the next trial, NCCC will be the plaintiff (accuser) against the dependants of old cabinet members. The Office of prosecution is at least by those prosecutors's idea, a part of the administration government (cabinet) and is supposed to defend the cabinet members. However now that technically present prosecution office is not belonging to the old cabinet and moreover as it looks unreasonable to depend the dependants against the plaintiff, NCCC, they decided irrelevant. In a word, the prosecutors themselves downgraded themselves under NCCC and the real prosecutor is NCCC today.

comment 6 wch date : 29/07/2008 time : 10.45

comment 4 The chief of the Prosecution was appointed on April 23 by PPP defacto power to stop the pending cases of Thaksin's and his cabinet's malfeasances. The incumbent chief was a law professional at same time was a PPP party member as of April 20. He was quited on the date and become the chief on April 23. In the last parliamentary censure debate, the opposite democrat pointed this an illegal action of the minister of justice who has authority to the appointment. In the law what I understand is any political party member is prohibited to a judiciary position within 5 years after resignation of the poltical position. The minister made a 'genious answer' to the opposite debator, " There is no penal clause (punishment) to do so and it is not illegal". The opposite added a question " Then is it legal ?" The minister made no answer, then the debator added, " You are the first one who brought Ministry of Justice to the no-confidence debate of Thai 75 years democracy history. Ministry of Justice, the office of prosecution is the last resort where the weak poor citizen could seek for justice. Quit now ! ". Probably this episode may make some answer to your feeling of 'Can-Not-Understand'.

comment 5 wch date : 29/07/2008 time : 10.27

comment 3 Angkor Empire was a loose confederation of many small 'muang' (equivalent to Emirate in muslim community) and the muang's of the empire were Pimai, Yasothon, Kalasin, Angkor Panom, Payao, Savannaket, Champasak. The empire started from the Castle Lopburi, later moved to Angkor Wat, then Phnom Pen. In this confederation, there was no clear demarcation among the muang. The scarce of population was the main reason for them to have grown up to a sizeable sovereignty who contended against others. Yasothorn is belived to be populated not more than 20,000 people when a king of Ayutaya kingdom in 18c went expedition. In fact this king was the first and the last monarch who paid a visit on the castle that was under the territory of Yasothorn muang. At this time, Angkor empire moved southerly over the inner lake, Tongle Sap to Phnom Pen. In fact, in this Indochese peninsula there has been thin concept of border line. Even today, Mukdahan and other Mekhong river dwellers freely travel across to visit theri relatives. It is same in the south. In the area of today Sisaket and Preah Vihear in each side are same people, 'Northern Kompu', a comparatively less cross-married Compu people who built Funan kingdom in Ad 1c. Personally I believe this people is the lost link of the littoral tungus who by time migrated along the east coastline from the east siberia, Korean penininsula, eastern seaboard of China, Hainan island to the Mekhong delta, the most fortile rice land. They estalished Oc Eo muang first and introduced surprising rice pad irrigation system and the waterway transportation. Their advanced seafaring ability had established international trade system between Chulla empire of the southern India, via Sumatra Srivijaya kingdom and the north eastern Asia of Han, Korea and Japan. A port nearby present Hong Kong was an international trade center where Arab, India, Sumatran, Hunanese, Han, Korean and Japanese gethered. Also I have a anothe guess that Compu (kompu) people is in fact, the people of Pu Yo or Pu Shang peple. Pu Shang is a mythical kingdom in Han people's legend. They believed the kingdom exists in east sea. My guess is Bu Yo or Bu Shang people was an ethnic who formed the 7 ethnics allied Tang Shan civilization of BC 3000 - BC 1000. This civilization was destroyed by westerly incoming Han people during BC 1000 to BC 221 when the first real Han kingdom was established. By this Han pressure, Tang shan kingdoms were expelled in a grand diaspora. More than 400,000-1,000,000 people moved into Manchuria, Korean peninsular and Japanese archipelagoes. One of them could, very possibly the Compu people. They started with highly developed technology from the beginning and their stone work skill had built later amazing castles and highly well designed city water control system. Angkor Wat and Angkor Tom is not the wonder but very likely architecture imported by the migrant people.

comment 4 Plaadip date : 28/07/2008 time : 17.45

Please let me write a topic outside the theme. Today, the Supreme Court accepted the lottery case for the trial. Main stream medias just paid attention to whether Surapon and two other cabinet members will resign or not. But I think that most important implication of this decision is how the Supreme Court judgment will have impacts on the prosecutor's behavior. This is the case that the AEC brought into the trial, after rejected by the prosecutors. So actually the supreme judges supported the work of Asset Examination Committee, while makes look foolish the prosecutors, who said that AEC job was too sloppy for the prosecutors to work on. It’s a good indication that immediately after the acceptance by the Supreme Court; the prosecutor's office stated that they would not take the role of the defendant lawyer on the case. (This really sounds funny for a foreigner like me. But they made an official decision on it today) I hope the court decision would give spurs to them to file other cases piled up on their desk.

comment 3 Plaadip date : 28/07/2008 time : 13.58

wch Maybe you are explaing the historical background of the temple,influenced by the culuture of Khmer empire, as Pimai, Panom Lung etc...were. That is true but I think you also have to consider what the central power of the empire means in those days. Latest historical reserches depicted that the Khmer empire in those days was the alliance of small MUANG states, the lords of which controled their areas, effectively being indepednent of the centaral power. It was loose-alliance bonded mainly through mutural benefits made by regional trades. Given the Preah Vihear's geographic feature, the tigh of the MUANG which established the temple with the Khmer emprire should be even looser than other Khmer temples or ancient cities now belonging to Thailand. So, I don't think that histrical implication will be so important, as it was indicated by ICJ's decicion which did not take up the histry as itd decision on the temple. It is sad to say that Cambodian people forgot the existance of their great historical monuments for long time and even Anchor Wat was being abandoned by them until a French researcher re-deicovered it. I agreed to the latter part of your writing. The quesiton is not about the histroy but on the feeling of Cambodian people created by the modern days' propaganada on their great empire, started by Prince Shihanuk( He was a prince in those days). And the propaganda has been reviced by Hun Sen, who realized his ambition to become the laeder of virtual one-party state. Yes I think that Thai might be forced to take the role of the elder brother to quell their feeling.

comment 2 wch date : 28/07/2008 time : 10.00

Today's Thai diplomacy seems like 3rd class, unwanted in international community. Where were gone such professionals, tricky, shrewd, dextrous and sophiscated experts who pulled Thailand through such volatile 80s 90s international politics ?. All those mongrels occupied bedrooms and litter endless nonsenses and made Thailand an international laughing stock......... Thai media must refrain for fanning the fire, Are they now war-craze ? The real patriotism is to make people in peace, not into a war. How the militia holding M16 on the castle top, becomes an immediate HERO, even before entering into a war ?. The real here is one who died for the cause of nationhood. Punish the torayot first. This is real patriotism. Also to media, the official name of the castle in Thai language is, Prasat Kao Pra-Viharn (directly interpreted into English is the Mountain Castle of the Holy Monastery Complex) and Thai people called this since last thousand years,, How come Thai media today all call it Preah Vihear ? Also, Cambodian call it as written on the castle gate, " TEMPLE PREAH VIHEAR". Out of all the castel, the temple, Brahmanian temple is the heap-tod only that still remains intact largely. "The castle is the whole theatre of mountain top and vicinity area that contains supporting facilities including rain water holding ponds, shrine, tomb and stone work shops as well as the incoming road from Cambodia and the incoming road from Thailand. As to the history by M.R. Pridiyathorn, Cambodia insist " Cambodia gave up the large part of Battambang land in order to hold their holy heritage of Temple Preah Vihear". Battambang is the part of Chantaburi and Trat of Thailand, that obtained large part of the gulf gas field toward Thailand today. Why do Cambodia try to ' Step on the cliff top ' at any cost ?. Historically Cambodia think the land over the Dongnak mountain range, upto the line from Castle Pimai, Yasothorn and Ubon belongs to Cambodia. History and human strata partly support this insistances as well. The southern Isan language is closely related to modern Cambodian and two have no big problem to trade in market. During negotiation between two kingdoms, sometime they must invite the representatives from two provinces, of Sisaket and changwat Preah Vihear of Cambodia and let them express their history, interaction and wishes too because they are real owner of the castle. Thai people think on the new level of dimension, "giving small gaining bigger one." Cambodia is one of exciting market place in future and they are very potential to Thai benefit in energy, tourism and investment. By gaining the castle, Thailand can not lose all Cambodia, their hearts. It is Thailand as big brother who soothe the hurt emotion of Cambodians who struggled over last 30 years civil wars. Cambodia also cannot lose Thailand as its neighboring big market, a big resource to add own wealth in future. In certain point of time, I hope HM will take an opportunity to give audience on this matter, toward Thai nationals as well as the young monarch of Cambodia and all Cambodian citizens.

comment 1 MamaSan date : 27/07/2008 time : 21.41 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mamasan

Wonderful. I shall believe it when I see it! Mama San Bangkok July 27, 2008

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