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Click to watch Suthichai Yoon's take on why PM Office's Minister Chakrapob Penkair must step down in the next few days before the controversies he has created get out of hand....

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comment 17 wch date : 29/05/2008 time : 09.37

Political patronage is a deal of give and take. A patron GIVEs his patronizees with protection, convenience, passage, money, in order to TAKEs what he want, in Thailand, VOTES. Thai political patronage falls into this category. The monarch and the monarchiac system is an important part of Thai political foundation and common political ideology with all which they have built the nation, cultured and try to better further. Here the monarch shall have his obligation to help it on due process, not stay indifferent from it. The monarch shall not have the right to take the reward, nor the right to monitor, detour, distort the due process. None of them did HM Phumiphol. Jakrapob shall be obliged to prove himself in this term. Also, Thai people shall not have the right to destroy a young man life by violet tagging around his neck. Undoubtedly Jak is one of such sons of this nation who tried to better the nationhood. Dont forget this ! wch

comment 16 wch date : 28/05/2008 time : 08.14

Thai people must understand correctly, What means, PATRON, PATRONAGE in political term and history. The word, PATRON is a Roman coinage, representing a "chief" that was authorized by central junta to controll underpriviliaged fiefs, migrants, and urban unlawfuls. They rather used such PATRONAGE system to pursue private profit and political leverage. (There are many 'virtuous and equally vicious meanings of patron and patronage in western history and culture but let me cut it off here. For more interested persons, pls see wiki). In east Asia, one of the most representative countries in this patronage system is, JAPAN. Japan was started out by a small alliance among hundreds of locality patronage or fief-dom, who were mainly established by the peninsulan political refugees (present Korea) who were pressed out by invading Han people to the peninsular during AD 0 - 5C. The first, known to outside world, among those patronage was YAMATO that rose in Nara prefecture, by a political refugee, a Korean princess, Gikumi. Her descendants are present emperial family. YAMATO started out to confederate patrons (Daimyo) and their patronage sovereignty (Daimyo-Hu). It was AD 5 C and thereafter. This, hundred warring patrons and thousand years' war continued during the period of AD 5C - 15C. During this period, the allied patrons elected their central power who protected the emperial family in the capital city, KYOTO. This central power was formed by hegemonial patrons called, SHOGUN's and their political organization was called, Makuhu (SHOGUNATE). Chronical corruption, betrayals and atrocities among the patrons, a shogun finally confederated whole Japan archipelagoes and establish his military dictatorship (Makuhu or Junta) in mid 1500s. After devastating defeat in the first historic east Asian, naval battle with Korea, Japanese shogunate went into 'close door policy' until 1878. During this shogunate period, the strong dictatorship by junta council, was practised over the patrons and civilians. Assassinations were rampant but DAIMYO's, the patrons, continued their corrupted practise and challenged to central military junta (Tokugawa shogunate). After another devastating defeat in the Pacific war with US, the victor, US dismantled the patronage system, then became a firm political noblety and businee Tycoon-doms. However the new form of patronage system was formed again, that is now into the ruling political party, LDP or Liberal Democratic Party. 50 self-interested "factions" (now called it but each faction is each of the locality and control local and central business world) are always in confliction and that is why Japan change their prime minister and cabinet so frequently. LDP has ruled since WW II by the excuse of 'National Reconstruction and Political stabily', and no day is seen to change the power. People now demand the breaking-off of such patronage system, into more multiple, ideological political parties. Japan, one of those countries where the DEMOCARCY is firmly nailed down. In other hand, South Korea and Taiwan are in healthy political process to form "Ideology-oriented Political Party, the POLITICS of CONSERVATIVES vs PROGRESSIVES. Thai Locality Patronage system, was the continuance of the feudalities that existed in several tens locality, prior to the unification by Chakri dynasty. Later, the migrant group entered into the patronage system (S. Ch, K, etc province) and local underground mafias (Ch. B. S. P. K. etc provinces). Military clan formed also locality patronage system (Gen. Ch. Ch. etc). They are thoroughly self-interested group, ignoring central power or national interest. They are consolidated in closely weaved personal relationship in the faith of yakuja - Non-Betrayal Loayalty. The betrayal means the death. The difference between Japanese patronage and Thai patronage is the DEGREE of CORRUPTION & POLITICAL MORALITY, only.

comment 15 wch date : 27/05/2008 time : 11.47

Jakrapob, unknowing Thaksin's power having been built by such alliance of locality patronage culture, that is the principal hinderance to good democracy, he heads rather on to different direction as if it is the real obstable to exercise the people's power. The people's power from the locality's patronage system. This the vary part that Bangkok people regard undemocratic and corruptive system. He must measure which one is good, which one is bad after deeply studying the whole firsthand. I like to advise him to stay overseas for a while.

comment 14 Ian date : 27/05/2008 time : 11.34 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch, you wrote, "He might think that, the royal institution and its royal armed force are also ones of such patronage system". Now I cannot comment on the royal institution but as an ex soldier and a student of military history I can assure you that any armed force in the world works on a system which is 20% ability and 80% patronage. I don't see why the Thai royal forces should be any different.

comment 13 wch date : 27/05/2008 time : 09.40

My old forum was, http://www.nationmultimedia.com/board/thaipol/view.php?id=877&offset=0 Precedent, 3 parts are far behind this post, in the forum, probably in 1995-. wch

comment 12 wch date : 27/05/2008 time : 09.29

Roughly I did read the script in English Jakrapob posted in government web, http://media.thaigov.go.th/sitedirectory/471/1779/1779_67825_02.pdf COMMENTS. I feel Jakrapob was confused, or wrongly understood about the real meaning of PATRONAGE SYSTEM, in the text of "Thai Democracy and its Patronage system". He might think that, the royal institution and its royal armed force are also ones of such patronage system, although he avoided to finger it directly. I re-posted in forum about " Fundamental Issue of Thai democracy Part IV" where I clearly denominated the meaning of PATRONAGE SYSTEM, that has been historically grassrooted in the Thai localities. Also, Jakrapob seemed misunderstood about Thaksin's political engineering skill and with blind, personal respect to Thaksin, he seemed to take anyone against Thaksin, is his enemy too. However, now he clearly head on to Gen Prem and I think it is a new phase. wch

comment 11 wch date : 26/05/2008 time : 08.20

Jakrapob case is subject to National Security Act, not LM (that might be secondary implication and if it is to him, it would be rather softer to him for amnesty). Rebellion and academic faith is different. He formed own group and made public propagation bey selling his speech tapes (a casette was sold at 600 baht).

comment 10 Ian date : 25/05/2008 time : 11.11 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch, it's a new generation and a new Britain these days. It saddens me but I learn to live with it.

comment 9 wch date : 25/05/2008 time : 10.32

BBC must educate the 'aunties 'out of kitchen. Thesedays, they are too archaic and unimpressive. Even they cannot command proper native language. Where are all those Britons gone ?.

comment 8 Ian date : 25/05/2008 time : 10.13 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

wch, so auntie becomes an aunt Sally, it will not be the first time. First Mytube now the BBC, someone in power should read Dale Carnegie's book, "How to make friends and influence people".

comment 7 wch date : 25/05/2008 time : 08.09

Legal implication of Jakrapob's is in par with Rebellion, unrelated to Lese Majeste law or secondary implication, according to Aphijit, the leader of the Democrat. Raising LM issue here in blog is unscrupulous, I like to tell all of bloggers here. wch

comment 6 wch date : 25/05/2008 time : 07.59

Ian, I will deal the Auntie story after Jakrapob would say something tommorrow. For your information, the BBC reporter has been listed already by Thai police. The witness against him is another Indian reporter who attended in the Jak's press release.

comment 5 Ian date : 24/05/2008 time : 11.34 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

It seems no one likes "auntie" any more

comment 4 wch date : 24/05/2008 time : 10.42

BBC resident reporters must be called today and interrogated why he intentionally induced this unimpressive child, Jakrapob to unscruplously have made such 'anti-system' speech. BBC reporters repeat misguiding report about Thailand even they can't read things here.

comment 3 Ian date : 23/05/2008 time : 10.11 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

If there was not a law of Lese Majeste this latest speech would simply have been a "lead balloon", it would have been ignored by most people. By invoking LM the speech suddenly becomes important, thus LM encourages that which it seeks to prevent.

comment 2 wch date : 23/05/2008 time : 07.55

I can suggest three aspects in Jakrapob episode. Honest in his academic faith. It is necessary to check his activity in schools, especially his club activity and degree thesis. (Chulalongkorn and John Hopkins). Especially John Hopkins, his master degree thesis and other writings must be investigated. However he seems to feel now as " I made a big mistake" and is heading for anybody for helps. Samak, Chavalit and Thaksin clearly try to distance from him as if, " He is the spent bullet shell". His advocation in the ideology of Thaksin group (Finland group) His expression (two speeches) could be inspired from the deep talks of the group. He may have wanted to profile himself as a young warrior on behalf of the inner group. He seems to believe " Revolution is on way and we will achieve the final big victory". His psychological integrity. His speech to journalists superficially look logical but skindeep, it gravely fails on conscience and intelligence, needless to say the failure on theoretical composition and morality. He is a pest.

comment 1 Hermano_Lobo date : 23/05/2008 time : 00.06 http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Khun Yoon- You are being taken in by one of the oldest political tricks in the book. Thaksin set up Jakrapob to start the debate on Republicanism. Which is Thaksin's final goal. Let Jakrapob take the flak;but the subject is now entering discussion !

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