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Thursday , April 24 , 2008
Shut up! CNN...A Chinese cyber war is raging out there...
Posted by Yoon , Reader : 760 , 21:51:39  
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Things are getting pretty hot on the Internet among Chinese these days...a sort of mass mobilisation of Chinese support of their country is unfolding in cyberspace..and it all started with the comment by CNN's Jack Cafferty to the effect that Chinese leaders were "goons and thugs."

CNN has clarified that he meant the Chinese government and not the Chinese people. But that didn't help matters. An online appeal for donations of the national flag to be despatched overseas has collected over 17,000 pieces so far.

T-shirts proclaiming Chinese sovereignty over Tibet and denouncing the West are churned out for sale. A campaign condemning Cafferty's comment has collected 280,000 signatures.

China Daily warned in its editorial earlier this week that over-the-top demonstration of nationalism could be harmful if not confined within proper limits.

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comment 50
wch date : 07/05/2008 time : 10.02

Khun Piset,

Teo Chew people in Thailand

Xie Yi Chu（谢易初） (1896—1983; Chenghai, Guangdong), founder of Charoen Pokphand Group and charitarian
Dhanin Chearavanont (谢国民) (1939－; Chenghai, Guangdong), chief of Charoen Pokphand Group(Chia Tai Group)
Prapa Viriyaprapaikit (吴玉音) (1932－; Raoping, Guangdong), founder of Sahaviriya
Prachai Leophairatana (廖汉渲) (; Chaoan, Guangdong), founder and former CEO of Thai Petrochemical Industry (TPI) and TPI Polene
Chatri Sophonpanich (陈有汉) (1932－; Chaoyang, Guangdong), chief of BangKok Bank Public Company Limited
Krit Ratanarak (李智正) (－; Chenghai, Guangdong), chief of Siam City Cement Public Company Limited and Bank of Ayudhya Public Company Limited
Dr Udane Tejapaibul (郑午楼)（1913－；Chaoyang，Guangdong）,founder of Bangkok Metrepolitan Bank
Mongkol Kanjanapas (黄子明)（1919－；Puning,Guangdong）,chairman of Hwa Kay Thai Holdings Limited
Smarn Ophaswongse (胡玉麟)(1926-; Chaoan,Guangdong),one of Thailand's best-known rice traders

*** I met some of representative Teo Chew'an of Thailand, and I found their attitudes are quite similar to either of Korean and Japanese.

Their foods are identical with Korean.
Both eat Jab Chai, Black bone chicken, undoubtedly deeply fermented soy bean and fishes.

I am now stealing "Genome map of north eastern Asian, LITTORAL tungus.
wch
comment 49
Piset date : 06/05/2008 time : 13.00
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Piset

Wch:

You might have forgotten to mention tht your source of reference was not a historian but an insane story maker from some mental hospitals in your countries. In that case, he is excused.

I am sorry, no more Japanese version of the fantasy of the world for me.

Evan your reference to Tae-chiu could never exist in Chinese history because those people who migrated to shoutheast asia went there from a relatively very small rural area in China.

Please go on enjoy your Time-machine from your Japanese comic by yourself.
comment 48
wch date : 06/05/2008 time : 09.14

Khun Piset,

I am interested in your phrase,

Japan had taught its youngers that certain parts of China belonged to Japan to implant those aggressor's attitude in its young during and before their aggression against China during last two centuries.

It is partly true and partly untrue.

The True,

1. Taechou people is the migrants from either Korean peninsular and Japanese Kyushu island.
The most likely is, they are the descendants of
"Prince of East Sea" who built, "Ocean Kingdom" (Tawchou) at various shore points.
It was during BC 221 - AD 500.

2. Koxinga was the son between Taechou father and Kyushu woman.

3. Korean and Japanese migrated out of Shantoong Peninsular during the aggression of Chin's against
Chi multi-ethnity dynasty of the peninsular during BC 250 - BC 221.

4. Most of acient inventions are not all by Han people. Much of them was made by this residents of Chi dynasty.
The betterments on those initial invents were done largely by Korean and Japanese later and through uptil today.
One example, the inlay tech porclain and celadon, the original ceramic technology. This is today the fundamental technology to support IT industry.

PRC must study together, seriously and must allow the lifting of all buried inharitances in the East China Sea.
wch
comment 47
Piset date : 05/05/2008 time : 09.51
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Piset

Wch:

I am not interested in any fictitious Chinese history written by those foreign countries who have never stop attempting to either bread up or rob China of its land or resources. However, those Chinese historical evidences consisted of a lot more than ink on the paper, they got archaeological and anthopological evidences to back up the
recorded history.

Japan had taught its youngers that certain parts of China belonged to Japan to implant those aggressor's attitude in its young during and before their aggression against China during last two centuries. UK had invaded Tibed in 1903 and 1904 and had launch opium war against China. American was among the 8 nations invading China plus have been the main initiator and financier of the Separatist movement in Tibet. So, whatever they have written simply have been affected by their attitude and aggressors' intention. This included the most recent media blackmailing of China as discussed in this topic.

Wch:

If you can find any archaeological or anthopological evidences to argue your point it would be better.

If your reference sources' interest is the agreesion, the blackmailing or the stealing of China, then I can understand your points.
comment 46
wch date : 05/05/2008 time : 08.48

Piset,

At your insistance of China having been appointed their own governors to rule Tibet, please read this
the latest update of Tibetan history,
and an important part of it in the first millenium history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet_history
Trisong Detsän's reign was characterized by the reassertion of Tibetan influence in Central Asia and against China. Early in his reign regions to the West of Tibet paid homage to the Tibetan court. From that time onward the Tibetans pressed into the territory of the Tang emperors, reaching the Chinese capital Chang'an (modern Xian) by 763/764. Tibetan troops occupied Chang'an for fifteen days and installed a puppet emperor while Emperor Daizong of Tang was in Luoyang. Nanzhao (in Yunnan and neighbouring regions) remained under Tibetan control from 750 to 794, when they turned on their Tibetan overlords and helped the Chinese inflict a serious defeat on the Tibetans.

Comments : aforesaid, Nanzhao was Tai, who in later era of T'ang dynasty, reorganized by LIU MOK, a descendant of Han's Liu royal clan,
attacked the declining T'ang from the south Yangtzu river, while T'ang had faced the devastating defeat in war with Koguri, just over the Great Wall. Koguri was, then, the most powerful Juchen and Puyo (an ancient Koreans) tungusic tribes who endlessly wanted to retrieve their ancestor land, Shan Toong Peninsular where the 7 ethnities allied CHI dynasty with Gongji's confusianism (BC 500 - BC 221).

Unknowing T'ang's downfall, Liu Mok sent his 4 sons to further south and built,
Sip Song Pan Na,
Chiang Sen,
Lan Na,
Lan Shang

Lan Shang (present Luang Prabang) has kept this royal lineage, so called, Sriwawong to today (400 descendants in USA).
comment 45
Piset date : 04/05/2008 time : 17.48
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Piset

Wch:

I had expected your respond that way. Actually, I referred to the royal marriage only to link it to the memorial post for the purpose of showing proof that Tibetan and Tibet were referred throughout most parts of the Chinese history as the "fan" people.

That's all.

As for Tibet's status, there can be no question about it at all, when even the Museum in Lhasa is full of documents showing the appointment of the administrative chief for Tibet from the Emperor of China. All through Lama the 14, which is Dalai Lamok.
comment 44
wch date : 04/05/2008 time : 09.14

Piset,
The royal marriage does not hold the legal heir right, as seen many in the past European cases, as well as in the north east Asia.
The examples are not short. I may put here what I remember.

Han monarchs used to send the princeses to Hsiung No (the northern Hun) for friendly relationship.

Mongol rulers (of Yuan dynasty) took many Korean concubines only due to their beauty and better upspring. It followed into Ming Dynasty and Ching dynasty.
The laity too followed. By this long traditional practise, modern Han aristocrats were very much assimilated to modern Korean.
This did not mean any legal claimants between two races.

Japan royalty is the descentants of ancient Korean royalty and often both intermarried among various new aristocrats, but no hair claims have been made in-btween.

Rather such claimants were regarded vicious and ill-intented.
wch
comment 43
Piset date : 03/05/2008 time : 20.23
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Piset

Wch:

The term "fan ren" had been applied to all varied tribes ranging from the Tais to, Yaos, Maews, Tongs, Liis, Tibetans, and Mongolians. You might be interested in a book written by M.R. Krukrit Pramoj called, "Huan Nang" (That is fan ren in Mandarin) however, he mainly described the Unruly tribes in the north and northwest and not the southwest. However, the Memorial Post established in front of the main shrine in Lhasa 1300 years ago to comemorate the marriage between the Princess Wen-cheng and the Chief of Tibetan tribes then was called the, "tang fang union memorial post." Tang of course was the Tang dynasty where the princess came from and fan was of course the official name for the Tibetan tribe at that time.

Every higher leader of the administration and religion of Tibet have always been appointed from the court of China in the capital before Tang and up until Dalai Lama the XIV, which was also appointed by Beijing.
comment 42
wch date : 03/05/2008 time : 10.29

Piset,
You said,
"The area in the south to south west of China had generally been called the Southern "Mang" area since Han dynasty",

means, the land is other's land, of Mang, not Moong's land.
wch
comment 41
Piset date : 03/05/2008 time : 10.22
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Piset

Wch:

There has never been such a things called "moong's land." in China. I have never heard of anything like that, the google search or the baidu search turned up nothing of that sort.

The area in the south to south west of China had generally been called the Southern "Mang" area since Han dynasty. "Mang" here refer to the "backward" and faraway land. The people there are generally referred to as the "Fans" or the "Huans" in Tae Chiew meaning the rural people.

In Thailand, Thais are generally called "huan nang" means the people of the "huan" group, that is, the southern region.
comment 40
wch date : 03/05/2008 time : 09.05

Piset,
Then, I like to listen to you,
Why Tibet is Moong's land, Prove !.
comment 39
Piset date : 03/05/2008 time : 07.03
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Piset

Wch:

Please check your own record. My quotation of the old Thai sayiing in comment 17 was a direct respond to your writing in Comment 15, quote:

"Japan gave Tibetans their 1500 years old, delayed, independance. "

If you like you can start your outpours about your knowledge of Chinese history, especially where the Hakka migrants are concerned. I will join you there.

A note for you, I refuse to read any non-English posting on this Nation Weblog other than some very short and simple words or phrases of references, as I have been informed from the Web Editor to avoid posting in any other languages as this is an English language blog. I also will not do any translation for anyone else here.
comment 38
wch date : 02/05/2008 time : 09.43

Piset,
This theme is about journalism, especially the western journos and the general public reaction of PRC.
The unneccessary diviation from the main topic was triggered by yourself by your quotation of Thai script, that cunningly insulted myself.
(You may not open this derogatory again).
wch
comment 37
wch date : 02/05/2008 time : 08.26

Hello, Dear Aaaa,

Wake up and read this news, pasted from your company BAIDU news web,
http://news.baidu.com/n?cmd=2&class=civilnews&page

西藏今昔”主题展正式开放 教育发生巨变 中国教育新闻网 08:41

两个展厅分别以“西藏历史与封建农奴制”和“日新月异的新西藏”为主题，向观众展示着旧西藏的落后与黑暗，新西藏的发展与进步。展览图片中，有被砍下来的人手，有被农奴主当作祭品的农奴的心脏、肉体和凝固了的血液，还有被农奴主剥下的人皮，其中不乏孩子的身影……其残酷、惨烈，给人留下了难以磨灭的印象。一份对西藏5个庄园文盲调查的数据显示，1949年，这5个庄园成年人总 ... 全文>>

Can you translate this for all of us here, English speaking bloggers ?.
(I think the bloody brainwash to Tibetans has now started already !)
comment 36
Piset date : 01/05/2008 time : 16.49
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Piset

Wch:

You have tried to present some kind of your pet information for some reasons. Your information might be interesting, if it is presented under the relevant blogs.

There could be no benefits and no end to irrelevancies. Thus, please stay focused.
comment 35
wch date : 01/05/2008 time : 11.36

Piset,
I think you are this stuff, 'aaaaaaaaaaaa'.
wch
comment 34
Piset date : 01/05/2008 time : 11.16
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Piset

It is now confirmed that both CNN and BBC journalists were among the 36 journalist from 18 western media invited to join the news center at elevation 6500 metre at the shoulder of Mt. Everest to cover the Olympic flame's relaying to the world's highest point.

Surprised? Not really. Interesting, yes.




Wch:

There are time and place to think and talk about each subject. I am afraid you have raised the wrong subject here. If never read irrelevant postings. this way we can keep the topic of each blog focused.
comment 33
wch date : 01/05/2008 time : 11.01

Anyone ?,
Dont shy away, it is holiday today,
come and beat me hard !.
I will continue about Thaksin, the vicious Hakka,
now government in exile, in London,
Look at the thai tri-stripes carrying large THAKSIN.

This kingdom soon turns to Hitler republic.

HaHaHaHaHa
volume full.
comment 32
wch date : 01/05/2008 time : 10.51

Piset,

This is the point, let me translate for others,


In ancient centuries, Hakka habitated in Yellow river basin and,
From in the west chin era of early AD 4 C
to Tang era of AD 9C late, due to war, they headed southward in exodus (permit me to use this vocable).

After the downfall of the southern Song in 1270, Hakka (was grouped into), Tak, Chok, Oh.
They were self-called "Guest" or " Visitor" in distinguishment from the original resident people.
(Guest is proununciated "Hakka").
(hereafter, the same that I earlier illustrated).

先世居黄河流域，西晋末年(4世纪初)、唐代後期(9世纪末)因战乱大批南下。1270年代南宋灭亡後又迁至赣、闽、粤等地。自称「客家」或「来人」，以区别於本地人。客家话是汉语方言之一，保留较多古汉语音韵。山歌别具风格。客家人在聚居地区保持自己习俗传统，妇女均天足，参加劳动生产，不受封建陋习约束，勇於进取。近代，太平天国之乱失败後.

Points of Debate.

Who is Hakka when they habitated in Yellow river basin in the northern land ?.

- They are the earlier arrived tribe in the basin but later seriously challenged by later arrival, Han, tungusic tribe.
- They are suspected a branch of Tibetans, lets say, low land tibetan as their physical appearance is very similar to Tibetans and Tai as well as language. All these language group is called today,
Tibet-Kada group.
- PRC categorized the remaining mainland Hakka as 'sub-Han' people because they assimilated Han culture -ancestorworship, footbinding and confucianism.
- The travelling Hakka was non-Han conformity group who refused Han culture, and later humiliated Confusianism by recognizing Christianity as their basic faith.

- Today the mainland Hakka population is less than 30million but out of PRC about same figure of 20 million. South East Asia received the majority of them. Christian Hakka is the majority 'Chinese in Indonesia, Malaysia, and no questionably Singapore. Thailand received the mixed religion Hakka. Some of Christians attributed much to the christian development in Siam by building many churches in Satorn road but other peasantry of Hakka spreaded into the rurality and monopolized agriculture trade. (I dont need to mention who is who represents each of these two big groups, You know well).

PROBLEM OF migrant Hakka.
In general personality of them, is the non-conformity to hosting culture, restive, egoistic, dishonesty, strong family bondage (like jew),
So generally, by time, they are hated by other main stream of population. They have no patriotism to the nations that once provided shelter and foods.
When they make money, they hide deeply, now in Singapore that roles strong protector of seasian Hakka. In thailand, Many large Hakka running business evaded huge money out of country, "by name of overseas investment" (by new laws manipulated by Hakka politicians).
Bank of Thailand is unwilling to investigate this investment, its returning, its operation, (mainly in PRC jurisdiction).

Thai Hakka have the habit to hoard rice, frozen pork, frozen chicken into recently built large freezing warehouse.
(Let me continue ??, I think enough)
wch
comment 31
wch date : 01/05/2008 time : 08.24

aaaaaaaaaaaa,
Okay, you started good thing today.
(I apppreciate for the source -url please !).

Let me start from this tag today,

他信（泰国总理）
Thaksin (Thai Prime Minister),
The Present Famous figure among Hakka tribe.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Just a moment Hong Nam first !.
wch
comment 30
Piset date : 30/04/2008 time : 12.32
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Piset

Wch, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Yuri:

If your allegation is true, then China shuld be a very proud country to have more than 1 billion person serving as its AGENTs?

If they paid these agents enough to keep their work to the level that would force people such as you to simply go blank with your intellectual capacity other than a few familiar attacking words, then it certainly has a very good team of AGENTS. That is Yellow Power in the 21st Century.

2) If these agents are working without any monetary compensation, then you have better ask yourself quickly, "Why?"

Why would millions goes to the international media of internet or line the streets in the foreign land to show support for this country. Get some answers for yourself, friends. There must be some good reason for these previously self proclaimed , "a bunch of uncohesive, uncoordinated, uncoperating, grains of sands suddenly doing these things of showing supports to a nation you guys have hated or feared so much.

Yes, scold, swear, call names. After you have done, give yourself some better reasons. Afterall, this will be the truth of the world that you soon or later will have to live in, accept or not.
comment 29
Obeyno1kinobe date : 30/04/2008 time : 08.27
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/obeyno1

aaaaa, thanks for that. It is all clear to me now.

I guess chinese have a right to peacefully protest against other protestors for a free Tibet, human rights, better treatment of north korean defectors. I just wish they would stop beating up and intimidating people. Also the free tibet people should not attack the people carrying the torch. Just wave their flags and signs whatever.

In South Korean, the Chinese community attacked several hundred north koreans who had escaped their own communist dictatorship, and were protesting against the severe treatment by Chinese authorities on people caught escaping North Korea.

Many Chinese just don't seem to be able to take any criticism.

And you can only speak out in your homeland if you are following the government line.

Compare this to the peaceful protests against the Iraq war in Western Democracies.
comment 28
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa date : 29/04/2008 time : 16.45
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wch,Nowthat you are good at Chinese.I will show you some stuff about Hakka in Chinese.simple Chinese
客家，是一个具有显著特征的汉族民系，也是汉族在世界上分布范围最广阔、影响最深远的民系之一。聚居在广东梅县、兴宁、大埔、五华、惠阳等县江西、四川、广西、湖南、台湾、海南、福建部分地区，分布约120馀县。先世居黄河流域，西晋末年(4世纪初)、唐代後期(9世纪末)因战乱大批南下。1270年代南宋灭亡後又迁至赣、闽、粤等地。自称「客家」或「来人」，以区别於本地人。客家话是汉语方言之一，保留较多古汉语音韵。山歌别具风格。客家人在聚居地区保持自己习俗传统，妇女均天足，参加劳动生产，不受封建陋习约束，勇於进取。近代，太平天国之乱失败後，不少客家人被迫分散在更广阔的地区，有的转徙台湾、香港，或侨居南洋一带。
客家的起源存在多种说法，主要的有客家中原说和客家混血说。客家中原说认为客家主体构成为来自中原的移民，而客家土著说则认为“客家共同体，是南迁汉人与闽粤赣三角地区的古越族移民混化以后产生的共同体，其主体是生活在这片土地上的古越族人民，而不是少数流落于这一地区的中原人”。从两宋开始，中原汉民大举南迁，经赣南、闽西到达梅州，最终形成相对成熟的、具有很强稳定性的客家民系。此后，客家人又以梅州为基地，大量外迁到全国乃至世界各地。“客家三州”为 嘉应州、赣州、汀州。
客家渊源
　　客家作为汉族的一个民系，其起源存在多种说法，主要的有客家中原说和客家土著说。客家中原说认为客家主体构成为来自中原的移民，而客家土著说则认为“客家共同体，是南迁汉人与闽粤赣三角地区的古越族移民混化以后产生的共同体，其主体是生活在这片土地上的古越族人民，而不是少数流落于这一地区的中原人”。
一般认为，客家民系是南迁汉族人在唐末至明中叶聚集于闽、粤、赣连结地区，经过与当地畲族、瑶族等土著居民融合而成的，具有有别于汉族其他民系的独特的方言、文化和特性的一个汉族民系。它以汉人为主体，同时包合经融合有客化的畲瑶等少数民族。客家民系是以汉人为主体的，其文化的主要特征及表现出继承中原汉族文化，所以应肯定为汉族的一个支系。但是这支民系不是纯汉族血统，其文化也不是纯中原汉文化，所以作为一个群体，其成员就应该包含相互融合，享有共同文化特征的不同民族的成员。因此，“客家”的说法是作为一个汉族民系的称谓，并非是一个种族的概念，而是文化的概念。
客家人的迁徙
五次中原迁徙说
有关客家人的迁徙，1930年代的客学大师罗香林为代表的研究学者认为，客属民系自晋朝以来，一共经历了五次大规模的迁徙，并在这五次迁徙过程中繁衍发展而来。这五次大迁徙的大致过程是：
第一次在两晋时期，大批中原人举族南迁至长江流域；
第二次始于唐代，大批北方汉民为躲避安史之乱，迁往相对安宁的赣闽粤地区，成为 第一批客家先民；
第三次在两宋时期，北方民族入侵，一批批汉民迁往赣闽粤地区，与当地畲、瑶等少数民族逐渐交融，最终形成客家民系；
第四次是清朝末年，赣南由于满族统治者的蹂躏以及瘟疫发生，人口锐减，加之闽西和粤东人口膨胀，清政府通令沿海居民向内地挤压，一部分客家人又回迁赣南，另有一部分迁往四川；
第五次在近代，不少客家人从粤东闽西一带迁往沿海，有的则移居海外。
六次中原迁徙说
后来，海外(马来西亚、美国等地)的客家人从各家各族的族谱统计，亦得出了以下六个主要的迁徙时期(参考：[1])：
第一次在秦始皇统一全国时期 秦始皇为了巩固新取得的南方国土，派遣了大批军民到粤北。后代子孙被称为北江客家。这是客家称谓的首次出现。
第二次在东晋永嘉年间 因为五胡乱华，使山西、河北及河南一带的汉人纷纷渡过黄河，由皖渡长江经赣北。
第三次在唐朝僖宗干符二年 因为黄巢之乱，使江西北部的居民再迁往江西西部、福建西部及南部和广东东部及北部。
第四次在南宋末年 这是客家民系南迁到广东的关键时期。随着蒙古军的南进，赣闽客家先民随败退的宋王室进入广东东部、北部。
第五次是明末清初大量粤闽客家人由于湖广填四川的政策迁徙到川渝。
第六次是清朝中期 广东客家地区人口逐渐增加，大量客家人移民至南洋、台湾等地。
客家名称的由来
客家这个名字出自于清朝中后期得土客械斗，后来的北方新移民被称作客家人，以区别于当地原居民。
“客家”的本意应该是指外来的人，就是相对本地人而言，流落南方的汉人就是外来的人。但现在说的“客家”则是指客家民系、是客家人的简称。这里的“客”即上面所说“山为主，故我为客”。
但是，有学者认为，“客”不是简单的相对“主”而言的外来者，和广府系、福佬系这些同为中原南迁的汉族民系不同，从历史的现象看，汉族南方各民系的形成时间都比客家民系早，基本都在同一个行政区域之内（有的也只有部分外延），而客家民系形成时间较迟，而且不在同一个行政区域内，是在三省的连结地区。还有一个特别的现象是这方连结地区，原本的土著或称主人，除了极少数的古越族之外，有“山客”、“木客”、“畲客”。他们大多也是“外来人”。这些“客”和后来的“汉客”混居一地，长期融合，孕育出一种独具个性的语言、文化特征，（可以认为此时民系初步形成，但没有正式的名称）然而这些独具特征的人外迁他乡，如迁至福佬系、广府系的聚居区，被当地主人称为客人、客户、客家。而且这一称呼是在福建沿海和广东沿海不同民系中“叫”出来的，这在文化内含上，应该可以认为是对同一文化特征（即后来确定的客家）人群的一种“共鸣”。这是否同闽粤赣三省连结区原住民的“客”有关，或者说这些地方的居民已有“客”的说法（虽然未见文字记载），现尚难定论。 客家名称的来由，现在比较共识的观点是由“他称”到“自称”。“他称”的时间是在明末清初。自称的时间起始于清中叶。但这绝不等于客家民系这时候才形成。“他称”首先是在福建沿海福佬人和广东沿海广府人，“称”出的。“自称”便是自我认同。因客家在民系形成之前的历史一直是作客他乡的迁移史。人家对自己的称谓并无贬意，同时符合自己的历史；也就认同了。客家方言
　　一个民系成立的重要因素之一就是有共同的语言。客家民系的共同语言即客家方言。客家方言又称客方言，客话，客家话，属于汉语七大方言之一。
从分布上看，主要在福建、广东、江西、湖南、台湾、四川、广西东部（即与广东交界的市县）等8个省，海外有马来西亚，新加坡，印度尼西亚等地。
具体说，国内主要分布：福建--闽西地区的长汀县，连城，上杭等８个县；广东梅州，惠州，蕉岭等１６县市；江西南部宁都,瑞金,兴国等１４县市。 此外，非纯客县，如福建南靖，平和，绍安，龙岩；广东潮州，海丰，韶关，东莞，信宜，化州，高州，湛江等；广西博白，陆川等；江西铜鼓，广昌，永 丰等不少县市的许多地区也讲客家话。此外，台湾海南四川湖南等不同程度地分布着客家话。
依据内部的 差异，客家话大体可以分为三个类型：以长汀话为代表的闽西客家话，以梅县话为代表的粤东客家话，以 赣县蟠龙话为代表的赣南客家话。进一步，可以分为如下八片：汀州片（又称闽客片）、粤台片、粤中片、惠州片、粤北片、粤西片、桂东片、宁龙片、于桂片、铜鼓片。客家人物

历史名人

张九龄 袁崇焕 李世熊 杨时 黄慎 伊秉绶 宋湘 黄遵宪 洪秀全 韦昌辉 丘逢甲 刘永福 宋应星 肖朝贵 冯云山 杨秀清 李秀成 石达开 丁日昌 宋嘉树 罗明 罗芳伯

现代名人

陈寅恪（史学大师） 邓小平（中国改革设计师） 郭沫若（诗人，史学家） 韩素音（作家） 胡文虎（实业家） 胡文豹（实业家） 胡耀帮（原中国共产党总书记） 黄琪翔（抗日将领） 廖仲恺（国民革命家，国民党左派领袖） 李登辉（原台湾总统） 李金发（现代派诗人） 李光耀（原新加坡总理） 李震欧（书法家） 李惠堂（足球明星） 李显龙（父亲李光耀） 刘亚楼（原中国人民解放军空军司令） 卢嘉锡（化学家，中国科学院院士） 罗香林（史学家，客家学先驱） 彭嘉衡（飞虎队成员） 丘成桐（数学家，菲尔兹奖获得者） 宋美龄（蒋介石之妻） 宋庆龄（民国国母） 素帕差（原世界贸易组织总干事） 孙中山（国父） 王力（语言学家） 吴浊流（台湾本土作家） 肖扬（中国最高法院院长） 薛岳（抗日将领） 叶剑英（前全国人大常委会委员长中华人民共和国元帅） 叶乔波（世界速滑冠军） 叶挺（名将） 曾宪梓 （实业家）曾国华(原中国人民解放军空军副司令员) 邹鲁（国民革命家，国民党右派领袖） 钟理和（台湾作家） 钟肇政（台湾作家） 朱德（前全国人大常委会委员长中华人民共和国元帅） 他信（泰国总理）
comment 27
Hermano_Lobo date : 29/04/2008 time : 00.17
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

Regardez-
Let's look at the reality.
As Piset writes his blogs there is a Chinese security agent breathing down his neck !
If he isn't pro-PRC he is in the sh*t !
comment 26
wch date : 28/04/2008 time : 09.06

Piset,
I think you are one of the victims of the parkinson's disease and If you are, you are undoubtedly the descentant of Han poeple.

Here, I will brief you why I think like that.

1. Taiwan's central news agency reported (shown in Daily Express April 17), the study results that,
Han people had sudden genetic 'mutation' on the gene, LRRK2, 2500 years ago. This is the primary cause of the parkinson's disease.
This study was made by Taiwanese, Singaporean scientiest in assistance of Japanese specialists.
(Majority of Taiwanese and Singaporeans are Hakka and others are the sountherners under Yangtzu river, all of them were refused by the norhterner Han people).

2. I believe such sudden mutation of Han people was due to rampant racial mixture with southerners when tungusic Han people arrived in upstream Yellow river, pressed by Turk, Mongol and Tibetan (please read this part of history written by Princeton univ, Asia History faculty).

3. Yoon emphasized in this entry about PRC's nonsensical propagation to fan the uneducated public mass, without testing what CNN jack meant,

"they're basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years"

Those who remember PRC 's history of last 50 years, CAN say the same what he meant.
Rebel Mao troop bombed Lhasa monastery in 1949,
One of PRC politburous of today, then the governor of Tibet, bombed Lhasa monastery in 1967 (previous 1957 is my mistake).
Now the same PRC politburou massacred Tibetans in their own land.

Did they change ?.
Can they be a healthy member in modern global community ?.

This all is like heavy patient who suffer from unrecoverable disease, like Parkinson's disease.

Also your behavior, endless opening of new blog entries, pushing down, turned over others' painful works, is not the ordinary mentality that the ordinary people can approve.

Also, I feel you often lose the liguistic integrity, lost in way, while skewing the thread into right needle eye, you behave like a child of learning difficulty problem.
So I can imagine why your class children leave you.
If you put the story of your class, you must look at yourself to your mirror and think sometime, "It is my mistake if a student leaves me. I must suicide myself because I failed my job".

Japanese teacher do it unfailingly !.
comment 25
Hermano_Lobo date : 27/04/2008 time : 22.22
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/yurivelasquez

I have come to the profound conclusion that PISET is just plain THICK !
comment 24
Piset date : 27/04/2008 time : 11.20
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Now Back to DKO:

About your questioning of the threat to shoot the protesters that dare to climb the Everest to protest the Olympic torch, I have no answer for you because I have no information one way or others. In the absence of information to confirm your news, I have to say, "No Sir, I have not heard of anything in that nature at all, be it from the web, from the Thai language newspaper or from the msn from friends around the world.
comment 23
Piset date : 27/04/2008 time : 11.17
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Ian:

You are right about the fanatic and fools. You would also agree that those keep on screaming their old slogans without looking at the fact or the changing picture should be more like ly the latter than the former.
comment 22
Piset date : 27/04/2008 time : 11.16
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/mahwatthai
Piset

Wch:

Please do not take anything here personally. And, also please stay on the subject rather than personal attacks. I would always consider those who tend to attack the bloggers rather than the topic at hand to be those without any rational support for the position they took.

Now, back to my last posting:

No. 1) I don't know whether you understand Thai language. The Thai says, "àÃ×èͧã¹ÁØé§ ¤¹¹Í¡ÁØé§äÁèà¡ÕèÂÇ" It means essentially, family's internal affairs is nobody else's affairs.

I was not sure whether you were a Thai or understand Thai language, so I gave my quotation in both Thai and English. No insults, no personal degrading intended.

Also, it meant neither you nor me. Just meant the domestic affairs of acountry is off limit to another country, no matter what concerns you might claim.

With this, I do not see any need to address those questions you raised which are irrelevant to the topic at hand "Shut Up CNN."
comment 21
wch date : 27/04/2008 time : 10.18

Piset,
You said, I am an outsider, that impresses 'You are an insider'. (I am one of fluent Thai speaker, not less than PRC's ambassador here). Also I am one of fluent Han script readers in level of Beijing Univ standard of 3000 scripts. I could manage, japanese, korean, french, spanish, german, etc with dic helps.

So you are free to quote any languages for this theme.

Let's start about the story of Insider and Outsider.
You are regarded Insider. In this theme, you are one of PRC's citizens. You must confirm this first.

Second, I will here intentionally accuse you, that your ancestor is Hakka, the rebel against Manchu's Ching dynasty, non-conformity to Han. Hakka is a remote cousin of Tibetan as their genes and language are belonging to same group - Tibetokeda group. Han is unrelated to Hakka anymean.

Thirdly, I will here intentionally make you are the descendant of Wu people, earlier habitated in the delta plain of Nanjing- Shanghai Yangtzu river.
Wu people, collaborated with UK navy, repelled Hakka's independant, Christian Heavenly Peace Republic (Han people call it Taiping Rebellion of 1892).

Wu peopel too is one of the southerners, non-Han speaker who cannot understand Beijing's standard Han language. 2-3 politburous of PRC communist party are from Wu's Shanghai. One of them was the bomber to the Tibetan Lhasa Monastery in 1957.
Are you belonging to this Wu ?.

Fourthly, If you are belonging to Tai group, Tai is the most furious, non-confirmity babarians to Han people, who were expelled from Tang's land.

Unless you could prove yourself a Han, You are OUTSIDER too.

(Dont litter your blogs so lavishly here in Nationblog. You waste too much bytes of other's property, tresspasser !)
comment 20
Ian date : 27/04/2008 time : 10.05
http://blog.nationmultimedia.com/anterian36

There are two kinds of people one should never argue with, a fanatic and a fool, often it is not easy to tell the difference.
I will give Piset the benefit of the doubt and call him a fanatic.
comment 19
wch date : 27/04/2008 time : 09.31

ÁØé§ La, Piset.
comment 18
wch date : 27/04/2008 time : 09.30

Today, Korean police will outbeat Japanese police.
Tibetans holes everywhere, bash Chineses.

Chinese ambassador protested to Korean students, "learn our s